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We flew VS LHR - MIA on a 350 with the latest seat configuration (and bar) that was a totally different experience to the return VS journey from Barbados with the old 787 seat. The new seat even has a door. Well, they call it a door. 'Flap' describes it better. But in any event better than the old BA seat which is still on some of the MIA flights - notably the 380. Although even then the forward cabin on the 380 upper deck is a good option as long as you are travelling with your partner and book a pair of seats with a window. Two decent options, with the LHR Clubhouse possibly swinging the final vote for VS.

But to be fair, JB, were they ever going to say (and they don't need to - imho) 'hey guys, we got it all wrong - we're very sorry and we're going to try harder. Please bear with us whilst we adopt and listen to our first customers much better ideas and advice'.....? Who knows what they really think!

By reading random 'live reports' from that section of CC (look for the tab at the top of the page if you'd never noticed it) I discovered that people cruise in all sorts of different ways. So much so that it is actually quite addictive - and certainly eye opening!! It hasn't resulted in my having any wish to change the way we cruise......but it has made me careful not to be as judgmental as I might naturally be!

Impossible for anyone to give you advice to be able to rely on based on your brief summary but what can be said, I believe, is: ~ if what you like about Yacht Club is the nicer accommodation and better food but go elsewhere on the ship for your 'entertainment' and 'vibe' then Explora is probably not for you. ~ if you'd enjoy classy (but not stuffy) bars and restaurants and can survive without a sports bar / 'sports bar crowd' around you then you may be OK. (don't get me wrong, plenty of people on board like sports!) ~ my guess is that you'd be lucky to find any other like minded singles amongst the c600/750 passengers you might be sharing the ship with. ~ you don't mention a need for shows etc etc such as MSC offer. Don't assume there is anything like the equivalent. If I were you I would spend time reading threads here getting a sense of the sort of people you'll likely be around as well as spend time considering the facilities and the ship's hardware. Finally, I've had a think about any other line that you might want to consider and can't think of one that fits your specification. Ship within a ship is a neat concept that works well for many. Have you tried NCL's Haven? Princess have some nice options to upscale the experience. If you're determined to go beyond what you've already found and liked and definitely don't need big ship facilities then perhaps Explora is the one to chance your arm on. Good luck. ps it's not Tuesday, it's Wednesday....😎

Ah - now I need to come up with something sensible to say..... Here's my very best effort: Chris, your table certainly makes for interesting reading. I would not have expected Regent to appear to be such good value (relatively). It opens up a huge number of points for debate! ~ most importantly this is Explora's maiden season and if ever there is a time to play with your pricing models it is now. They will surely have studied the comeptition's prices and persuaded themselves there are multiple reasons why their prices should be higher / lower. I am pretty sure that pricing will 'evolve' over the next few years. Demand will be key. ~ the Caribbean tends to be the cheapest place to cruise. Do cruise lines cross subsidise cruises in different parts of the world? Do they go to the Caribbean because they have to, to satisfy demand and accept that prices have to be moderated - or is it a myth and lower prices are compensated by higher passenger numbers (on average) and hence higher profits. ~ I feel Explora is much more a warm weather ship than it is a worldwide (cold weather included) cruise ship. So many of the appealing aspects of the design relate to being outside. It remains to be seen how the 6 ships are deployed but it could be another reason for pricing to evolve. ~ I have never understood the relationship between prices of one category room vs another. I think it is generally assumed the larger the room, the larger the margin - and certainly the larger rooms seem to sell out quickly (but is this true of Explora this year? why so many TA's etc in the larger rooms?). The fact that Explora has a LOT of standard rooms suggests to me that it is that market that is the key to success or failure of the operation. Inevitably the larger rooms get more than their share of the limelight and I don't suppose the cheap seats got much of a metion when Rolex were being enticed on board! And who pays who for them to be onboard?? Then there is the ship design apropos the larger rooms. Chris, I remember you saying throughout your cruise how disppointed you were with the room location. Invariably the large rooms are (mostly) at the back of ships with sometimes a few at the front. Everyone knows that midships is the best place to be if the ocean is in motion and the very worst place is at either end. And yet these large rooms sell, even for ocean crossings. (I know because we had a corner owners suite for a crossing once. Yes, just the once) The majority of Explora's competitors do not have public space at the back of the ship. The big rooms get to enjoy the best views undisturbed by pools, open deck space, bars etc. That Explora have designed a ship that combines the two has appeal but not if, like Chris, you are disturbed by the noise. (I would definitely be disturbed!) Perhaps the issue is going to be compounded come fuller ships and short cruises given the strong focus on encouraging children on board. With a first grandchild due any day I've got to be careful what I say but children on a luxury cruise ship? I'm not so sure.... (especially when, as we saw, parents put their children on separate tables in the restaurants so they are undisturbed by them - never mind the rest of us!! Not the way we parented our children. Harummph!) If ever there was a case of 'do your homework' it is when you are considering spending a lot of money on a cruise. (If anyone is interested to know my hourly rate for private consultations then do let me know)

Hi Chris - I'm sure we'd all be piling in with replies if only you'd not limited your interest to replies from Residence guests. There are not too many of those. Most of us are in the 'cheap seats'! Adrian

Oh my goodness - I've been calling you by the wrong name all this time! Many apologies - but I think you may see how it came about....?🤔😎 As one who also has a 70th this year I think you have found a fine way to celebrate - but remember to stay focused on feeling (and behaving 👀?) many decades younger.... Have a blast. Adrian

Well done, Maggie - sounds like a great move. You'll not want to leave that lovely spacious room. Perhaps you'd consider using some of your time there writing up a nice day by day account of your trip - for us all to enjoy here?! Adrian

Rather unhelpfully, you copy the link to the specific post, check to make sure you've posted something sensible and find CC doesn't actually take you back to the right place....... You're looking for post number 63 on Page 3. Be warned though, the list was already getting out of date. We found the wines OK with a Cab Sau our preference - which we ended up going back to several times (and may mean they have run out of that - sorry).

I posted the then current included wine list in the March 'live from' thread.....

Oh, sorry, I hadn't realised you had become disenchanted with Azamara. Our own experience, plus that of friends and brother has been very positive - particularly in regard to early Onward problems that were resolved very generously. But, I guess we all draw our own conclusions based on our own specifics! We have a soft spot for the old R7's since our early Oceania days - even though they are very dated in some ways (think shower!). Obviously the Azamara product is not in the luxury sector but for the price we thought the value was terrific. As for EJ - if I'm right in thinking your unresolved trip is a TA then absolutely avoid a jacuzzi risk room as there'll be plenty more ship movement than we had in the Caribbean....

Having read your experiences with EJ over the inaugural voyage it seems amazing that you are having such a bad time again. One wonders why you would even consider giving them a further chance - except that it is a very nice ship and they do do a lot of things very well..... As the days pass following our own experience onboard I am increasingly conflicted over my views and am still processing how the experience matches up against that on other ships. It is certainly a different experience and mostly a very positive one but I am held back in my enthusiasm partly over the 'management feel' of the operation. I know you are a Azamara enthusiast and, to a degree, like Crystal, I feel that is another line where the managememnt 'feel' is markedly different. It's not an overiding issue - but could easily become so if the EJ back office were to continue in the vein you have experienced extensively. I hope they sort out your room satisfactorily - and don't accept one under the deck 11 jaquzzis! Adrian

That's very kind, Colin but, some would say, it is much more important to know what the lovely Steph would have to say about this thread. (But sadly I know what that might be - it would start along the lines of 'why on earth.....') I had read your own Explora review, of course and others besides and it is true that both enrichment and entertainment did exceed my (low) expectations. For enrichment I expected nothing (we had 2 sea days) and got one 'proper' speaker (who, unfortunately I wasn't overly impressed with) and one 'destination' speaker who was pretty dreadful. For entertainment the band were amongst the best, the lounge singers excelent (but not with the support / staging to make it comparable to a traditional ship's theatre show) and the two piano / singers very good but with the usual / unsual problem of either having no audience (Explora Lounge) or were disconnected from the audience by virtue of being on a landing one storey above everyone (Lobby Bar). It looks like our respective plans for the next 12 months or so are laid but who knows when something might pop up as an extra unexpected opportunity! Best to you both. Adrian

Thanks Chris - and I'm sorry we didn't get to meet up. Sorry also for the quality of the humour - and all those extra 'u's'. (I don't know what you think you're doing dropping your own 'u's' like that - how long have you been over there??) With so much being written in different threads on comparisons and summaries I think I may leave my summary thoughts a little briefer than I had planned. It's hard not to be controversial or shot down in flames! I think (I hope) it was clear we had a jolly good time. The EJ misteps were relatively minor in the context of the whole and I do appreciate that our dietry preferences are a factor in of our lack of satisfaction with the set menus. (but don't get me started on EJ saying they can't print things on paper because of the environmental impact. Many of the menu items have environmental impacts that are off the scale. Enough said...) What I will say is that, for us, EJ would be a good choice for a particular itinerary or 'offer' whereas our previous go-to line, Crystal, would get our booking rather more readily. Crystal feels more like home, more like a ship where 'Corporate-itis' doesn't exist. Crystal on board management seem to have an attitude of 'we own this and it lives or dies by how we deliver' - whereas EJ felt more like a performance from generally well trained folk performing to a Head Office script. 'If it goes a bit wrong don't blame us, we're just doing what we were told to do'.) So that's it. As they say in Hollywood - 'It's a wrap.' Or as they say in Ealing Studios, London - 'OK chaps, I do believe we're done. Jolly good show.' (OK, I'm guessing) Adrian Ah - but there is a final postscript....... If you here at the beginning you may remember we left an unwell cat at home. He ended up needing 24/7 care from the family as he slowly declined. He had some better days now and then but immediately on our return he reached the point of no return - and we had to say goodbye. He was a real character and a fine cat. We buried him in the grounds last night. RIP Tonto.

I may have dreamt this but did I hear they only were interested in the views of those travelling economy class, who were on the left side (surely Explora wouldn't use port and starboard terminology - so, 'cruisey') and whose name began with an N?