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  1. Gee, I was just reliably informed that the 6 months doesn't apply to cruises. And now this. Well, anyone who takes advice from perfect and perfectly anonymous strangers on the internet deserves what they get. BTW, Victory Cruise also requires a passport that is good for 6 months beyond the end of the cruise on a Montreal to Boston cruise. Missed the 6 months by a week but fortunately noticed that and got it renewed in time.
  2. We just got ours renewed. We chose expedited processing and got the new passports in less than 2 weeks. Personally, I wouldn't leave the country without a valid passport.
  3. My 2 YCs were the Divina, with the restaurant at the other end of the ship, and Meraviglia, with the restaurant within the enclave. The menu, food, and service was far better on the Divina, IMO. My experiences on Meraviglia were along similar lines as the OP regarding service and food quality, but I also had a problem with the menu. My Meraviglia experience was this past April/May, in the Baltic. I don't know what the current menu is, but they better change it before they bring the ship to the US. I chalked up my unhappiness with the menu to it being directed more to European tastes, since we were the only identifiably American couples in the YC. But I don't think it will fly in NY or Miami or where ever they base her.
  4. I sent my 16 year old daughter, by herself, to Mexico to attend a language school. I sent my other daughter to college 2000 miles away from home at age 17. Sure, terrible things could have happened to them. But if they did it wouldn't have been because their own stupid actions increased their risks. Because we won the battle between the family's values and their peer group's values. There is no way in hell they would have gone off drinking with strangers.
  5. Great rundown, thanks. We will be boarding Victory II in a few weeks for the Montreal to Boston itinerary.
  6. This isn't just a cruise thing, or a hotel thing, or a vacation thing. It is a life thing and is ever present. Kids need to be taught to be prudent starting at a very young age. By their parents.
  7. And there is the problem, as common sense has increasingly become an oxymoron, as sense has become less and less common. As we see in some of the posts in this thread.
  8. Good points. One way to reduce the number of this kind of incident, both on cruise ships and - well everywhere - is to acknowledge that in the real world there are always predators looking for the weakest animals in the herd. Don't be the weakest animal, and certainly don't MAKE yourself the weakest animal through your behavior. And if you are responsible for someone who is the weakest animal in the herd (like a 15 year old) take that responsibility seriously, and prevent them from becoming even more vulnerable. To ignore these simple universal and time-tested rules, but instead rail against the reality about predators, and then act as if they don't exist, is foolish. And when the predator is caught, unleash the full power of every available legal consequence on them. But by then it is too late to undo the trauma and aftermath of the victim. People have understood this basic truth for a long long time. Ben Franklin sad it best, IMO: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Maybe we should be teaching the parable of the scorpion and the frog. The scorpion did the stinging, but the frog was stupid for putting himself in that position. This used to be part of the general wisdom of mankind. But now we are modern and 'wise' and want to teach people it's ok to maximize your risk. It is as if crime prevention has become a discredited notion.
  9. Then quote a message in this thread where anyone said that the criminals should be held less responsible for their crime. You can't because no one said it. Prove me wrong.
  10. Every single person in this thread has said that nothing the girl did should in any way detract or reduce the culpability of the criminals or their consequences, yet you keep dishonestly portraying it as otherwise.
  11. Because heaven forbid some other 15 year old girl reads about it and figures out that she DOESN'T want her life to be changed in a horrible way and adjusts her behavior accordingly.
  12. And there are ways to minimize risk and ways to maximize risk. Which would you say happened in this case? And, frankly, I put most of the blame for the risk being maximized on the 'responsible' adults who allowed her to roam free.
  13. Yeah, pretty much. We have a cruise where we need it (missed the 6 months to expiration by about a week) coming up and I didn't want to take a chance to save a few bucks. It was dumb, on my part, to not realize we were inside the 6 month window so I could have done it sooner. But hey, if that is the dumbest thing I do all year it will be a pretty good year.
  14. I think it takes a university education to get so far away from common sense as to think that racheting up risk factors doesn't affect your risk. People without that university education just know that naturally. Because they understand the difference between the world as they want it to be and the world as it actually is.
  15. Heaven forbid people should counsel that it is unnecessary to take simple precautions to significantly reduce their vulnerability to predatory behavior. There are always predators out their. People can choose to minimize their risk or they can choose to maximize their risk. It is obvious which occurred in this case. And that in no way reduces the culpability of the predators.
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