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50 minutes ago, zitsky said:

How big are they now?  How big do they need to be?

It’s 87F outside right now.  I don’t open my windows.  I want to keep the heat and humidity outside.

One would think that the environmental people would be up in arms about this?  Leave the window open and then cool down the IV/house afterwards? 👽

My father would not have allowed this energy waste...

4 minutes ago, Liao said:

HUH?

The Real Difference Between a Balcony and a Veranda – Small Balcony Design

3 minutes ago, zitsky said:

How big are they now?  How big do they need to be?

It’s 87F outside right now.  I don’t open my windows.  I want to keep the heat and humidity outside.

Lucky you.  It is 107 outside.  I don't open my windows either.

I like the food at Ocean View.  It is a bit crowded for my preferences ...

Or install appropriate sized ACs so that they can be cooled down in a timely manner ...

2 hours ago, PTC DAWG said:

By that thought, a Sunset Veranda is mislabeled too…. 🙂

 

Aft Balcony seems to be more appropriate..

They are named appropriately.  A balcony projects off the side.  

2 hours ago, Kamfish642 said:

If you purchase a bottle (s) of wine on a Celebrity excursion during the cruise, will the bottle(s) be confiscated upon boarding until last night of the cruise?

I have never had a bottle of wine confiscated.  YMMV.  You can always try it and the worst that can happen is they will give it back on the last night.

Or sail Princess.  You can bring it on board.

Wine and booze is different.  They are more likely to confiscate booze.

Not much is enforced.  My experience has been that you are normally OK if you do not stand out in a below average way.  When in Rome ...

Just now, zitsky said:

If we could change the name to “cabin with window” would that fix it?

Just don't call it something it is not.  It is neither a veranda nor infinite.

Will Celebrity also add IVs to the suites and SVs?

13 minutes ago, Oville said:

Where did you get this information, total nonsense?

While on the Edge.  The number one complaint was the IVs.  Not many complaints on a cruise.

19 minutes ago, PTC DAWG said:

The suites are more expensive?  Who knew?  SV are more expensive too, on all ships..

Insides are cheaper if you’re curious.  
 

I find the balcony cabins on S Class to be cheaper than the IV Cabins on E Class…I wonder if anyone has access to the profit margin each class of ship generates..

 

The fact that Celebrity put real balconies and not IVs in the SVs and suites shows that Celebrity views a real balcony as an upgrade over a IV ...

The complaints that I heard on my Edge cruise were:  "It is just an open/close window".  They obviously were expecting more ...

1 minute ago, PTC DAWG said:

So no real data, got it..opinions I get..we all have one. 🙂

I just gave you a bunch.  You can look up the price of balcony cabins on E class and compare them to IVs on E class.  The SVs and suites are more expensive.

The 27% IV/73% balcony ratio is another set of data that was researched by Royal to build their ships.

2 minutes ago, Liao said:

I'm not getting into the what it is drama, been enough of that.  My point is, if one books it, it says Infinite Veranda, if someone books it then gets in the cabin and is pissed because they don't have a balcony, they did not do their homework.  

A veranda is similar to a balcony.  This is not either.

4 minutes ago, Liao said:

People who think an IV is a balcony cabin did not do their homework.  It states Infinite Veranda, does not say balcony.

It is not a veranda either when you look at the definition.  It is inside and not outside of the cabin.  People are also used to cruising in balconies on most ships and not the open/close window.

The Celebrity marketing is rather over the top and does not provide important details about the cabin as have been discussed here.

3 minutes ago, PTC DAWG said:

Got a link? Maybe showing the much lower % capacities of the Edge class of ships compared to M &S class..it has to be much lower, based on your continued comments..

As I said before the balconies cabins on E class are sold for more money.  Royal has a 27 IV /73 balcony ratio on their ships.  All cabins sell out on most cruise ships.  Even the President conceded that they will fix this issue on their next class of ships.  They will have a ratio based upon preference.

2 minutes ago, PTC DAWG said:

You’re losing me here, how do you get fresh air into an ocean view cabin? 

IVs are an upgrade to the OceanView.  They open/close and are larger ...

15 minutes ago, vswan said:

If I decide to pay for a balcony cabin for an itinerary and did not get a balcony I would not be a happy cruiser. I love sitting out on the balcony with my book and a cocktail with the breeze/fresh air.

Unfortunately this happens all too often.  People think that the IVs are balconies and then get on the ship and are disappointed.  This is the #1 complaint while on E class.

1 hour ago, TeeRick said:

How about extra tipping to bring a lounger to your real balcony?

Or have a lounger brought to your OceanView cabin and you now have a IV 😁

7 hours ago, woodsmiths said:

I love the way some people get really wound up on cruise critic about the infinite verandah on Edge class ships not being a real balcony.  It’s not called a balcony for a reason.
 

It is a pointless comparison.  It’s a bit like arguing that the cat you bought isn’t a very good dog.  
 

It would be more appropriate to compare it to an OceanView cabin. A window to window comparison.  IVs are more like an upgraded OceanView ...

3 hours ago, jwlane said:

YAY!!!  Another 8 pages rehashing the SOS.

We are way behind 😁  The removal of loungers and footstools is up to 28 pages ...

6 hours ago, Ex-Airbalancer said:

Maybe for you 

I thought the ship did not flow 

Did not like the Martini bar on the Apex , no Sky lounge , didn’t like Eden etc

I would put that at #2 myself.  Perhaps #1 for you?

3 hours ago, phoenix_dream said:

She answered it because they had already announced that they were going to add more real balconies to the next new ships.  So that was a good news answer that took no thought and required no management speak to get us to accept it.  I'm still waiting for an answer to the loungers and/or footstools on balconies, which matters to a lot of us.  Nothing yet.  

So what is going on with the loungers and footstools?  Does anyone know why they are being taken away?  

Is this yet another trial from the Stupid Ideas department?  We have had a steady stream of those.  Vaping in the casino.  Butlers.  Mashed potatoes for everyone.  For fee chocolate cookies.  The demise of the evening buffet ...  One bad idea after another and about 80% of them were eventually put back...  What chaos ...

Loungers and footstools can be put back.

A ship design cannot be changed once they are built very easily.

5 hours ago, zitsky said:

How is this different from a lithograph?  I bought a nice aquatic one 20 years ago, signed by the artist.

I have no idea.  I just stay away from prints in general.  BTW we picked up some nice artwork in Bali for a very good price.