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  1. Nowhere does the order say that cruise lines can apply for longer itineraries. The CDC will decide based on public health considerations whether itineraries may be lengthened or shortened and when that will take place.Even if cruise lines could apply for longer itineraries it appears to be unlikely that a sufficient percentage of the population would be vaccinated before late next year for the CDC to consider allowing longer cruises. Of course if a cruise line were to adopt a vaccination requirement for all passengers then the CDC might very well permit longer cruises. Further, Oceania a
  2. Page 32, paragraph (2) of the pdf CDC order specifically states "The cruise ship operator must not sail or offer to sail on an itinerary longer than 7 days. CDC may shorten or lengthen the number of days permitted to sail based on public health considerations and as set forth in technical instructions or orders." Note the words "must not sail or offer to sail " . Nor is there a provision for a cruise to apply for a longer itinerary.
  3. NYC-based Caribbean cruises are provisioned in Port Canaveral. NYC-based Caribbean cruises do not get provisioned in Port Canaveral because they don't call at Port Canaveral. IIRC they haven't called at PC for years. The only NYC-based cruises that currently call at Port Canaveral are those that go to the Bahamas. If you look at every NYC-based Itinerary offered from January 2021 through October of 2023, not a single Caribbean cruise calls at PC.
  4. Where did you get that from? BTW, asymptomatic people are still carriers capable of spreading the virus.
  5. It's the Passenger Vessel Services Act, not the Jones Act . The Jones Act regulates the shipment of cargo. A regulatory suspension of the PVSA can only be granted for national security reasons. Otherwise a law would have to be enacted granting a temporary suspension and there's no chance of that happening. Any "proposals" for suspending the PVSA are just wishful thinking.
  6. I've carefully read the CDC Conditional Sail Order several times and believe as currently written it will permit the corporate holding company to conduct test cruises on behalf of all its subsidiary cruise lines using just a single ship from one of its subsidiaries. The key is in the order's definition of "cruise ship operator", which specifically includes "any person or entity (including a corporate entity) that authorizes or directs the use of a cruise ship (e.g. as owner, lessee or otherwise). " In particular, note the words "including a corporate entity". Since NCLH is ultim
  7. Escape is picking up crew In Goa. Joy is expected to do the same soon. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/norwegian-escape-picks-up-goan-seafarers-for-cruise-ops/articleshow/79345383.cms
  8. I virtually can guarantee that NCLH will be using NCL ships for their initial test cruises, not Oceania ships. Very simply those cruises are going to be short duration from Florida to either of NCLH's private island, cruises that will have zero appeal to Oceania's customers, but attractive to a not insubstantial number of NCL cruisers. I would guess one of the first, if not the first NCL ship to sail will be the mid-size Norwegian Gem (93,000 GT and 2,400 passengers), which is currently finishing up a drydock in Boston, and will be physically prepared and have at least some of her crew already
  9. So they decided to do it even though they don't believe it works? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
  10. And I have been very critical of the US response. It doesn't make a lot of sense to compare one country that's done a bad job with another that's done even worse. You want to compare to countries that did significantly better and improve your performance by learning from the actions they took that brought better results.
  11. I'm judging Norway's results, not all the details of their strategy. And interestingly enough, despite those good results you're saying face mask use is becoming more common there...which suggests an increased belief in their value. In recent days governors of some US states who had vehemently opposed the use of face masks suddenly changed their position when their states were hit hard by the virus.
  12. Right...it was always on the MDR menu. I was just addressing the buffet because that was the specific focus of the post I was replying to.
  13. At the time Tegnell made the statement Sweden's first wave had passed its peak, while the countries that subsequently surpassed Sweden's death rate per 100k hadn't. That other countries now have a higher death rate than Sweden doesn't mean Sweden's done a good job, it means the others have fared worse. You're still ignoring the fact that Sweden's death rate remains far higher than the death rates of each of its Nordic neighbors. The order of magnitude of the differences suggest that it's almost impossible from a mathematical perspective for those countries to catch up with and exce
  14. Once again, thanks for posting this before I got to it.
  15. It's there...just not out on display on the buffet. You have to ask the right person and they'll get it for you.
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