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  1. Dear JG Please don’t give it a moments thought! I posted my report so others could hear what it was really like for us, and that seems to have hit home. In turn, I’ve heard how it was for others. These threads always move in different directions and that’s the way they should be - so we can all hear others’ points of view and experiences. Wishing you safe travels, everyone
  2. Thanks for the comments and questions - I don't know how common it was to be separated from partners - my sources were someone who came 'out' whilst their partner was still 'in', and one of our regular group of partners being tested who one day shouted down to me from the balcony of his isolation cabin (as I wandered up to wave at my husband) 'hello there! I'm in here now!' - his wife was about 6 or 8 cabins along (we had previously chatted together on the promenade as we were both 'visiting' and waving to our partners). However, there was one couple at least along that row of isolation cabins who were in together - so circumstances seemed to vary. As for how many of the partners tested positive? I can only say what I saw and of those I knew.... on my first day of testing (6pm, deck 15) I met only a couple of people 'ahead of me' - ie on their day 2 or 3. All through, neither of those wives tested positive. One chose to go home on disembarkation day, leaving her partner behind in isolation, the other stayed on to be with her husband until the same day as us (ie day 20 of the extended cruise).... On my second day of testing there were about 5 of us at the same time and that day no one I saw tested positive (others may have been tested later - the door was open until around 6.30 for testing). The 3rd day, there were more new people and I reckon there were about 10 of us (plus some crew). We were told that we could go straight after testing and that we would be called if we were positive - no call if negative. Most of the group had decided that was not what we wanted so all hung around (by the open doors or very well spaced out from each other) to have the definite feedback of 'you're negative today'. On that 3rd day, the tester came out and told 3 of our group that they were positive - 2 new people and one on the same day as me. That pulled me up short - that is quite a high positive rate. But of those I got chatty with, only 2 tested positive - both were men, if that is relevant? - and the other 4 of us remained negative throughout. And it is those 4 'covid wives' who formed our 'dinner club'. None of us could account for why we were negative and our partners were positive but that's the $60m question I guess?
  3. I mentioned the CDC originally because that's what the Captain referred to. On the change over day (when we should have been disembarking at Rome) before new passengers got on, he came over the tannoy and said 'Good news - the CDC rules have changed and you now only need one negative test from day 7 to be released from quarantine' - I'm paraphrasing of course, but it was him who referred to the CDC rules. And we were certainly operating under the CDC testing guidelines at that point (ie the day 5 and day 6 test approach....) - the Celebrity printed sheet of what would happen matched exactly what was on the CDC website. As the ship was sailing in and out of Italy, then for immigration purposes their rules would apply - we could have gone into state quarantine for example on day 5 but we could not freely disembark under our own steam. Had we have been in and out of Greece, as an example, I'm pretty sure we could have done whatever we wanted! The EU does not have consistent rules.... I'm glad my story seems to have been helpful to so many of you and I appreciate all of the good wishes.
  4. Cranston was lovely to me - I really appreciated his kind approach - made me feel welcome
  5. Hi All I am a long time poster - I think I've been here for over 10 years and we've now done 11 cruises with Celebrity, Royal Caribbean, P&O and Princess. We love cruising. The time allowed for me to complete my Celebrity survey has expired and I want to share some thought son our experience on the ship - both as a warning to other passengers and as feedback to Celebrity - I'm sure you're reading this. We were on the Celebrity Reflection out of Rome on 13th June, for 11 nights. Everyone had to provide proof of a negative test from within the last 48 hours and I'm sure you all know the rules about vaccinated/ up to date etc - so all of the right precautions were taken by everyone on board. Before we sailed we were aware that if you tested positive while on board you had to isolate, but I think we didn't know the details. We knew that Covid rates on all ships according to the CDC's list of 94 ships under their watch were running on average at 1 to 2%. So with a passenger cohort of around 2000, just less on our sailing, the chances of catching it were very small and not at a high enough risk for us to consider cancelling - it was very unlikely to happen to us. But although the chances are small, the consequences are HUGE. Each day the captain makes an announcement at some point about health and safety on board. His typical comment would be ' we have 2 passengers tested positive today and they are fine and they are being looked after'. At no point does he say exactly how many in total have Covid and how many are in isolation. Latterly, we understood that 19 passengers from the previous cruise were positive and had to stay on for this cruise, and the most we heard about was 50 at one time in isolation (both passengers and crew). This came directly from one of the medical team who visit each 'isolatee' each day. At the change over of our cruise, we understood that there were 35 passengers in isolation needing to stay on - this comes from observation in the venue were all of the partners were gathered on disembarkation day to find out our new cabin assignments for the next cruise. Our sequence of events was that on day 7 of the 11 night cruise, my husband had a sore throat and a headache and thought he might have Covid. The instructions given to passengers are very clear - if you have any Covid type symptoms phone the medical centre - it is the right thing to do and we still think that. We are certain that not everyone on board followed this - there were many coughers and sneezers around the ship. We went to the medical centre, my husband tested positive and was told, nicely and professionally, that he had to pack immediately and would be escorted to isolation. Within 10 minutes 2 crew from housekeeping arrived to take his luggage and he was taken down via the crew access corridors to deck 6, to a cabin with a balcony, where he did not leave the cabin for 10 whole days. Under the balconies of deck 6 is the promenade deck so depending on the location of your partner along that deck you could be lucky and be able to have a chat. Not so for us - my husband's cabin was above some kind of big blue engineering structure which meant we could see each other at a distance but could not talk - we relied on speaking on the phone. So at least I saw him most days, at a distance of maybe 30 feet. I say most days as the access to that deck was on occasion, seemingly frequently, blocked for maintenance, disembarkation, the chance of winds.... For both the 'isolatee' and their partner, Celebrity immediately upgraded the Wi-Fi from basic to premium - this was much appreciated as it was then possible to keep in touch with family back home on video calls. The quality of meals delivered to my husband was brilliant if sometimes entertaining - eg 4 boiled eggs for breakfast one day! - but the dining room menu was available to him. The standard spiel from Celebrity is that all movies including pay for view movies would be available. Reflection had the worst TV and Movie options of any ship I've ever been on and there were no pay for view movies. And even the premium Wi-Fi is nowhere near good enough to stream on your Netflix account. The CDC protocols changed during my husband's isolation - it was the case that you need TWO negative tests on consecutive days after day 5 to be 'released' but it changed to being ONE negative test after day 7. In any event, it didn't matter to us as my husband never did test negative - freedom came at day 10 no matter what the test result. As it did for most people..... As a partner of someone in isolation you are also restricted. The requirement was for me to be tested for 5 consecutive days and I remained negative throughout. All of the partners were tested in the same place at the same time each day - so we got to know each other a bit - that is why I can say of the group of us on that cruise, most did not test negative before day 10. But for partners, restrictions were also in place - we were not allowed to use the dining rooms for 10 days and had to wear a mask anywhere out of the cabin. Wearing a mask was not hard, but 10 days of room service, alone, was no fun. I admit that I preferred to lunch up at the open air burger bar on deck where I thought I was no danger to anyone - especially after 5 days of consecutive negative tests. And a group of us did towards the end of the 10 days (all of our husbands were within 1 or 2 days of each other going into isolation) meet at the open air end of the buffet for an evening meal where we would again be no danger to anyone. But partners can and did get off the ship at the ports - we were not that restricted. Personally, I choose to be as far away from others as possible whilst still going to the theatre and the game shows - that was allowed. So I could participate to a certain extent - but I would describe it for me as being 'lonely in a crowd'. However, having been in a changing group of maybe 20 partners and talking among ourselves for a few days it was obvious that the rules were not enforced - some never had the letter saying they should have room service and so carried on as normal. So it is clear that those rules were never 'policed'. For those actually in locked down isolation, 10 days is a long time to be in one small room - no walking up and down the corridor was allowed and even if you wanted to you could not get past the big bulk head door which locked off both side of deck 6 from the rest of the ship - that's a lot of cabins with people in isolation. My husband commented that even if he was in jail, there'd have been access to an exercise yard. It took 11 paces to walk from the door to the edge of the balcony - and there's only so many reps of that walk you can do each day. If you were minded you could of course do some strength and floor exercises but nothing aerobic. It was particularly harsh for couples were the second partner tested positive a few days after the first partner - they would be placed in separate cabins - not necessarily near each other. I only found this out after someone who had been in isolation came 'out' and said his wife was still 'in' in a different cabin. When it got to our scheduled disembarkation day, which was only day 5 for my husband so he was not yet free to leave isolation, we were given the choice to continue isolation together in an Italian hotel (were we would be escorted by guards) for a minimum of another 5 days. We would lose the chance of getting out on day 7 (which didn't happened anyway but it was still a chance at this stage). I don't know of anyone who took that option. Celebrity did many, many things right on this trip. I imagine they have no choice but to follow the CDC rules. We stayed on the ship at no cost (except gratuities and drinks of course) until after the 10 days isolation and then onto the most sensible port for getting home (which was Naples for us, on our day 20, - flight timings from Dubrovnik and Kotor were impossible with the ships docking and tender times). But the non financial cost for us was huge. Once my husband was in isolation my holiday was damaged too - OK I could see Athens, but not the way we hoped to do it together; I could go to the theatre but with no one to share it with. And I dined in my room alone. But for him, the physical impact was horrible too - he was a only bit poorly for just a few days (for which we are thankful of course) but with no way of getting any exercise and with very little mental stimulation or entertainment. He was well supported by the medical team and the food and beverage service but there were quite a few things which went wrong which were not in themselves overly significant - and for those things which he reported, he'd like to thank Antoinette for her attention. For those partners who found themselves unexpectedly alone - which left me tearful once or twice in public - it was a lonely time trying to navigate through a changed holiday alone. I would not have expected there to be any support in place for me in those circumstances so I am grateful to 3 people in particular who went out of their way to check in on me once they knew the circumstances - thank you Byron, Annadulce and Cranston - I really appreciated someone thinking to ask me how I was doing. With all that in mind, under the same circumstance, knowing what the real consequences would be, would we have gone to the medical centre and self reported? And especially knowing that others were obviously sick around the ship. My answer is - we can't honestly say. We'd like to think we'd still do the right thing and get tested but we certainly wouldn't want to do that again. For sure though, we won't be cruising again until such time as the isolation requirement on board is removed or significantly reduced. Different countries are different and we know Italy is strict and the CDC rules are strict. I think our next trip will be here from the UK where there is no legal requirement to isolate, just a common sense duty to isolate if you're obviously poorly.
  6. We are also getting tested at a Pharmacy in Rome on Sunday afternoon (for Monday boarding) - booked through 'the tour guy' website which lets you skip the waiting line with a booked appointment. This is the Pharmacy were going to: Farmacia Statuto, via dello Statuto 35/A, 00185, Rome I didn't think Celebrity would ship the 'video supervised' tests to the UK, as posters have been saying above? I missed that - I thought it was just for the US. But the Rome pharmacy option seems easy enough...
  7. I can't answer your direct question but I can say, if its useful, that we are flying from the UK on Saturday and staying in Rome and I've booked a test in Rome for the Sunday afternoon through a site called 'The Tour Guy' (I think I found the website on either Trip advisor or possibly in the Ports of call section here). Obviously testing in the UK before we go would be preferable but after a recent flight cancellation we now have a 5am start on Saturday so couldn't fit it in. So that's what we're doing...
  8. Hi Minster I've just done this myself this afternoon, via the Celebrity App. You take a photo of your NHS Covid Travel pass which you download via the NHS App (not the NHS Covid App). Its not the little cards we got originally (which are no longer being used in any case in the vacc centre I volunteer at) Its in the check in section on the X app and asks you to take a photo of the second of your regular doses, then a photo of your booster. For back up, I am taking our printed NHS Travel passes as well....
  9. I had an email yesterday from Celebrity in advance of our 13th June cruise out of Rome. Under the heading: VACCINATION POLICY TO SAIL it clearly says "As of May 5, 2022, all guests ages 12 and older must be fully vaccinated". And yet, in the next paragraph says "Unvaccinated Guests: Will not be required to present a pre-arrival test. Instead, guests will be tested at the Terminal prior to Embarkation" If we all have to be vaccinated, who are the unvaccinated guests... perhaps just the under 12s? Is this contradictory advice? 🤷‍♀️
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