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    cycling, history (especially ancient), reading
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  1. That seems too pessimistic considering vaccines will likely be available for the public in 2021.
  2. I have read this from more than one article. As I recall, the Princess ship that was stuck in Japan for so long, they found a large percentage appeared to be immune. I did a google search and came up with this https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19 This is from another article Both papers suggest that patients who have had other human coronaviruses—and in particular those who have recently had a chest cold caused by human coronavirus HCoV-OC43—have immune systems that are to some degree primed to fight off an infection by SARS-CoV-2. A study of that cold virus found it was generally connected to a mild upper respiratory infection … which is a lot better than having severe COVID-19. This virus, and others that share similar proteins and structures, are endemic and common. Infection by these viruses may be a major factor in why about 85% of those infected with COVID-19 have relatively mild cases while around 50% of that 85% appear to have cases that are very mild or asymptomatic. Testing of COVID-19 patients has indicated that a percentage of them—something on the order of 15% in at least two studies—have low levels of SARS-CoV-2-specific antibodies. These results have been correlated with those who have had mild cases, and may also be connected to those who have had recent infections by other human coronaviruses and acquired a higher level of transient immunity. Children may be more immune to COVID-19 at least in part because they are more likely to have a recent infection by HCoV-OC43, or a related coronavirus. The shared antibodies with other human coronaviruses may be part of the reason that antibody tests, including those conducted directly on patients and those looking at sources like antibodies found in waste, seem to so often suggest a higher level of infection than might be indicated by testing or medical outcomes. This might also explain why some group exposures form a hot spot while others don’t—in some cases, there may have been some “herd immunity” in effect, just from chance clusters of people carrying existing transient immunity. None of this is certain—in this conclusion I’ve taken things at least half a logical leap beyond the position of either paper. But if substantiated, these results could go a long way toward explaining why the immune response to COVID-19 is so extremely varied. These papers also strongly suggest that some people have at least a partial safety shield when it comes to developing a severe case of COVID-19. That cough you had back in December or January may not have been COVID-19, but it may save you from catching COVID-19. Yes, I have read articles that say herd immunity will be difficult for COVID-19, but explain why the death rate in Sweden is near zero now. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/after-months-of-condemnation-swedens-covid-deaths-drop-to-near-zero
  3. Vaccines will likely be about 70% effective. Sure, there will still be a risk to getting COVID-19, but the risk will be significantly reduced. Also, the longer the virus spreads, the closer to herd immunity. Sweden didn't shut down and the country is very close to herd immunity. I have read that without the vaccine that a large percentage of the population has a natural immunity to COVID-19. Scientists have estimate the percentage to be about 40%. If cruise lines require the vaccine before cruising, which for most of the population will be likely available in late Winter/early Spring next year, all these factors will make cruising feasible and far less risky. In any event, unless you have underlying conditions like obesity, immunity issues due to cancer treatment or diabetes, the risk of death (even now) for a person my age (72) is about 0.05%.
  4. Dragonfly, I agree NCL is still a good cruise line. We started with NCL and moved to Celebrity in 2011, since at that time NCL didn't go around the Horn of South America, Australia/NZ, the Far East or Middle East. We have done 11 cruises with Celebrity and don't like repeating past itineraries, so now we do a lot of TransAtlantics. Celebrity and Royal C. have great loyalty programs with free drinks at happy hour. NCL's loyalty program is OK, but not as good. Also, we hate the price bundling and outrageous service charge on beverage packages. Royal C. has as good entertainment as NCL and they go to more itineraries as well. We prefer their medium to smaller sized ships. NCL actually has improved a bit on its MDR dining. However, its price increases for specialty dining are not good at all.
  5. We don't book suites, but did upgrade to one once on Celebrity. I do the research for our cruise planning and still consider NCL, along with Celebrity, Royal C. and Princess. We have yet to cruise Princess yet, but I hear good things. We prefer Celebrity, but still consider NCL. Celebrity beats NCL in everything but entertainment. When I compare cruises from the four lines, It usually goes with either Celebrity or Royal C, because of price. NCL usually bundles its prices with perks that we don't want (especially with the absurd cost of the services charges with the drinks package) and that forces its prices beyond what we can book with Celebrity or Royal C. Recently, NCL has starting offering sail a way rates (no perks) early bookings, but the sail a way rates are not significantly lower than the rates for Free at Sea. We will still compare all four lines, but not expecting NCL to be competitive.
  6. I know more people that have died riding motorcycles (with or without a helmet) that people that have died of COVID19
  7. We haven't done an NCL cruise since Fall 2018 because whenever I pull up cruises from NCL, Celebrity and Royal C., NCL is the only one that doesn't offer booking without perks. I don't want any perks. I tend to book early and I don't see spillway rates until a few months before the cruise and the rates are guarantee, with no specific cabin.
  8. Disagree, the risk of picking up COVID-19 is lower if outdoors. Also, there is plenty of space with limited fans for social distancing.
  9. Cruises in the Med are great to visit a lot of ports, however for short periods. Great for ports that are a bit hard to get to, like the Greek Islands, Split, Dubrovnik, Malta, etc. However, for taking in cities like Rome, Paris, London, Munich, Berlin, Barcelona, Seville, Madrid, you need to spend more time. Rome, Paris and London deserve 5-6 days each. Munich, Berlin, Barcelona, Seville deserve 3-5 days.
  10. We miss cruising as well, but don't want to cruise with social distancing and masks, so we will wait for a vaccine.
  11. Cruise lines close to devastation? https://www.cruisehive.com/cruise-line-ceo-says-the-cruise-industry-is-close-to-devastation-in-miami-dade-meeting/41620
  12. I understand your frustration. Unless you have underlying conditions that make you susceptible to becoming a fatality, then getting out there on a cruise ship is feasible. At my age 72, with no underlying conditions, the fatality rate is 0.05 percent. Still, if your cruise ship becomes infected with the virus, you may be quarantined, which would not be any fun at all. Also, many ports may not accept cruise ships. I know the Caribbean is likely the first to open up, but not sure what ports are open? Further, if you cruise before a vaccine, you would have to social distance and wear a mask. This makes it hard to socialize with cruise friends and diminishes the value of cruising. I prefer to wait until there is a vaccine, which is likely in January.
  13. Frankly, I would probably never fly to Europe for less than a two week cruise or land tour. We have done just about every cruise that can be done from Europe. For a first time visit, I would go with Italy and do a 10 cruise minimum. The Venice to Rome cruise is great. Other options are the Greek Islands including Athens and/or Istanbul. We had a great Black Sea cruise, but not sure they are available any more. Western Med including Barcelona, Naples, Rome, Monaco and port for Florence. British Isles cruises are great. Baltic Sea cruises that include St. Petersburg, Russia. Norway cruises that go up to the North Cape. Amazing scenery.
  14. I have that same gut feeling. I used to be great on a cruise without electronic devices. When I go to visit my Daughter and her family, everyone is dominated by their phones, computers or iPads. My wife and I walk regularly and come across people out on the street yacking on their phones instead of enjoying nature.
  15. TeeRick, We have a 15 day transatlantic from Rome to Tampa in October 2021 booked on the Celebrity Constellation. It visits 5 ports on the way to Florida and for a mid-ship balcony, we are paying less than $1800 per person. TA prices have gone up over the years, the cheapest we every paid was a TA on NCL Star for a balcony from Copenhagen to Miami for about $700 pp. That was seven years ago and we only stopped in two ports in route. Also, it was, I believe only 12 days. For a 15 day cruise, $1800 pp is about as low as you can get with a balcony.
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