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6 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

No shoes, no shirt, no service is just another way of saying "My business, my house, my rules". Can the governor really restrict private businesses from conducting business their way? If a private business prefers to serve only those that are vaccinated IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, they should have every right to do so. Can the governor restrict private businesses from conducting business as they prefer? Seems what DeSantis has done is very wrong.

My governor has restricted my business from doing business as I prefer for the last year.  So the answer to your question is yes.

4 minutes ago, jmhlin said:

Not the country holding all their vaccines to themselves and not sharing with their so call allies. You guys should feel luck to keep the vaccines Americans first.

Our last president was great when it came to America first as you rightly pointed out!  We do feel blessed - thx!

13 minutes ago, Baron Barracuda said:

Here's a couple.  There are many more.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/primarycare/obesity/90142

 

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity

I posted an article citing CDC data concerning covid patients who were obese.  So to keep numbers relevant here is the CDC data showing overall obesity in the US.  No where near the numbers you posted, at least not according to the way I read the CDC data.  About half of what your data suggests.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/prevalence-maps.html#nonhispanic-white-adults

this thread has jumped the rails and to bring it back to the original discussion.  

I am happy to see the governor of Florida bann the use of covid passports.  This is America where we are supposed to have choices.  As I stated a number of weeks ago, I would like to see cruise ships give us choices between wide open cruising with no restrictions concerning vaccines/covid and cruises with all the safety protocols in place and maybe throw in some cruises somewhere in the middle for good measure.  Hopefully more states will follow Florida's move so we have options - New York, New Jersey, California for all the safety protocols in place and requirement of the vaccine passport and then Florida, maybe TN, Arizona, South Carolina where no passport required to have fun.  Similar to what I have done with my retail business for the last year - no mask needed to shop with us but if you don't feel safe with us you have the choice to go 20 minutes north of me for the same products where masks are required.  32% increase in sales last year for us because of this policy and no cases of the virus related to our business!  America is great!

1 minute ago, Baron Barracuda said:

Meaningless.  Over 70% of US population is classified as overweight or obese.

Link to the data?

1 minute ago, KWW88 said:

just mean

I'm sorry.  I edited.

15 minutes ago, ChucktownSteve said:

How preposterous a statement. And then Laughing????? Your statement reeks of hubris.

 

You do not take into account the distribution or underlying reasons for the tragic deaths. There were countless deaths attributed to Covid which were not the main cause of death because medical facilities and practitioners received extra federal funding if the COD was listed as covid.  Or how about the population of the U.S. compared to the population of your smaller country, which you obviously don't disclose in your profile. 

 

 

Not deaths as you alluded to, but 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were obese or overweight.  

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

Just now, Oville said:

And do you know the FL numbers are accurate?

I believe it's been proven none of the numbers are accurate so that makes comparing all numbers relevant. 

18 minutes ago, jmhlin said:

Thanks to the lock down, the rate is controlled and so there is enough ICU to treat people and increase their chance to survive. If there is no gov policy, the number won't look this low. 

Lock downs have NOT been proven to control the spread.  Government policy has not been proven to control the spread.  This thread is about Florida's governor and is appropriate to compare Florida, open, to California, closed.  

1 minute ago, morechances said:

By the way, definitely like your comment about taking that flight. 

That was a great response!

Well as trulyblonde said - we all need a sense of humor.  some people get me, others don't .

1 minute ago, TrulyBlonde said:

I thought it was funny and wanted to bring some laughter to this board. Some people here need a sense of humor. Cheers!

Amen!  🍷

3 minutes ago, morechances said:

I am definitely interested in other options as well. Also find it fascinating.

 

Vaccines are not perfect. That is a fact. But they do lessen the symptoms of a virus. And they lessen the risk of spreading a virus or disease.

 

We all take risks every day.

 

Before you jump on me, this is hypothetical........

 

If you were about to board a plane and were told that you have a 40% chance of crashing, would you still get on?

 

Probably not.

 

But there is always a tiny risk of a plane going down. However, not high enough to be a risk for me.

 

So, even vaccinated, you do have a risk, but that risk is much lower if everyone else is also vaccinated.

 

Again, I do not have any more rights than anyone else.

BUT, I also do not have less rights than anyone else.

 

So after 1 year, about 10% of the US population has tested positive for the virus.  Less than .2% of the population has died from the virus.  Based on the information I have read, you still have about a 10% chance of getting the virus after receiving the vaccine and a very small chance of dying from the vaccines.  So the way I see it, the odds are roughly the same whether you get the vaccine or not.  Your claim is the risk is "much lower" if everyone is vaccinated.  Can you show me this data?  So I'm still trying to understand how you feel unsafe in a setting where you are vaccinated and others are not.

I was born and raised a farmer so risk taking is in my blood.  Every spring we put a crop in the ground not knowing whether we will have anything to harvest in the fall.  40%?  Yeah I would probably get on the plane - esp if it was taking me to a cruise ship where masks, distancing and vaccines were not required!

1 minute ago, Ozzmund said:

My reason for not wanting to cruise with unvaccinated passengers and/or crew is simple, I do not want to have my cruise turned around due to an outbreak onboard, or worse yet, ending up like Diamond Princess.

This I can understand, so otherwise, you feel safe with the vaccine when around others without?   Morechances apparently doesn't feel safe anywhere around those who have not been vaccinated so I am just trying to understand the rationale.  

13 minutes ago, morechances said:

So do you.

So, why do I have to feel unsafe? 

And, why do you have to feel inconvenienced?

This is a no win thing.

I agree.

 

I do not want to go somewhere with people who are not vaccinated.

 

But I want to go to place A.

You do not have a vaccination and you also want to go to place A.

Who gets priority?

One of us will not have their rights and beliefs.

 

Isn't the purpose of a vaccination to protect you and keep you safe?  If you have gotten the vaccine, whether you have papers or not to prove it, why are you worried about not being safe?   Help me understand the purpose of a vaccine.  Why do you, morechances, not want to go somewhere with people who are not vaccinated if you are?  

If others feel the same as morechances, can you chime in on why?  I find this fascinating.  Maybe I need to start a new thread on just this topic.  

3 minutes ago, morechances said:

As long as everyone is aware of the fact that I have a right to feel safe, and if anti vaxers or anti maskers are invading my rights, I also have an equal right to be safe and their rights are not stronger than mine.

So, I do not have to go somewhere else just because you want to exercise your beliefs and rights.

 

But wait - earlier you said we have equal rights but now you are saying your rights are stronger than mine.  If my medical condition prevents me from wearing a mask or getting a vaccine, how does that invade your rights?  No one is asking you to go elsewhere.  It is your choice.  

2 minutes ago, morechances said:

Exactly!!!

So, what is the difference between my right to feel safe and your right to do what you want?

We both have equal rights. 

There is no winner or loser here.

Thx - just making sure I understood you correctly.  

1 minute ago, morechances said:

I am about having the right to be safe. 

Isn't your right to be safe to wear a mask if you choose and get a vaccination if you choose?  To avoid businesses you don't feel safe in?  

11 minutes ago, need2cruisesoon said:

LOL Farmer I've always been amazed that the people who call themselves tolerant always seem to extrude the exact opposite behavior.

 

I respect you for for having the gumption and fortitude to stand for your beliefs.

Thx - part of the problem IMO is people are not standing up for what they believe in.  As I stated in another thread, I put my money where my mouth is.  My local health department took me and my business to court over mask mandates.  I won.  I stood up for my employees and my beliefs and proved to the health department I was right.  

29 minutes ago, Denny01 said:

This late in the Pandemic, I don’t think any of us get ‘riled up’ over such silliness. We’ve heard and read those that don’t understand basic science or safe community  health practices.
 

And we know someone who says they don’t wear masks and says they take planes is lying. Just part the game they want to play. 
 

den

Masks on planes did not become mandatory until months into this "pandemic".  Some of us did continue to travel even though our government officials discouraged it. 

1 hour ago, cantstopingcruising said:

You know, it may be a kid. Did you notice the spelling?

Nope not a kid - you can search for my cruise reviews here on this site over the years.  iPad is not friendly to my fat fingers.  

1 hour ago, Charles4515 said:

 

It is called trolling. When they said they don't wear seatbelts it was obvious. Probably none that they posted is true. Likely they are vaccinated.  

I am not trolling.  I am expressing my opinions/views/real world experiences like everyone else on this forum.  Everything I've said is true.  And I am not vaccinated.  

9 hours ago, hawkesbaynz said:

 As someone who worked in ER/A&E in the UK in the 80s I can tell you that it made a massive difference to mortality rates. Used to spend hours picking glass out of peoples faces and resuscitating the young and old in trauma calls. When the vast majority started wearing seatbelts, combined with safer cars, ER became a little boring with very little trauma. No guns so no gun trauma either.

 

Let's take it a step further - no cars no trauma either.  No alcohol no trauma either.  No knives no trauma either.

9 hours ago, hawkesbaynz said:

 

Face masks are for the benefit of other people not yourself.

In my job as a farmer, I use N95 masks when working in dusty grain silos.  That is not to protect anyone around me - that is to keep the dust out of my lungs.  I know how N95 masks work.  The jury is still out on any other face masks in relation to Wuhan - ie homemade, surgical, bandanas, neck gators etc.  If masks and distancing worked, we would not have seen the surges we had here in the US that last 4 months since studies and surveys have shown we had 90%+ compliance.  

4 hours ago, cantstopingcruising said:

 

You say you are a retailer. I am surprised that you are not losing customers. I wouldn't enter a store where there are unmasked people. Nor would anyone else that I know.

 

I don't want to attack you personally. But I do think you have issues.

That is the difference of where you live and the people you associate with vs where I live and my customers.  Our hardware business was up 32% last year, partly because of my business practices and not treating my customers or employees like they have leprosy.  So far this year our sales are up 6%.

So just because I don't think or act like you I have issues?  Ok.  

5 minutes ago, Denny01 said:

When you refuse to be vaccinated and therefore expose all you have contact with it isn’t between you and a Dr. But I expected this type of response and will not engage any further. 
 

den

If you believe vaccines work and you are vaccinated then why worry about me?  Maybe I want to know if you had the flu shot before sitting next to me. Do you have hepatitis? AIDS? What is your political or religious affiliation?  I need to know all these things about you before you get on a ship with me. 
 

it just makes no sense to continue wearing masks and distancing if you have been vaccinated. You shouldn’t be concerned about others who haven’t. We do not and can not live in a society with zero risk.  

4 minutes ago, Denny01 said:

I’ve posted this a few times. Not getting the vaccine is your choice. But if you book a cruise, let those on your roll call know you won’t be vaccinated and if you actually get onboard, which hopefully won’t happen because of sane cruise lines that will refuse you, but if you somehow do, let everyone know you aren’t vaccinated so they all have a ‘choice’ of not being around you.  . 
 

den

Why am I required to divulge my medical information to you or the rest of the public?  That is between my doctor and I. If you think masks work then continue wearing them if you are concerned.  As I’ve stated elsewhere on these forums - this vaccine will be used as the new form of “legal” discrimination.  A slippery slope.