Alot of Negative Vista Feedback

Many here did when the both these classes came out, carbon copy, no innovations blah, blah blah. Can't believe you never sailed on a Dream class ship... You should come on our Journey cruise next year on the Breeze.

I would love to, but I have this little thing called work and I can't get that much time off. I need to either win the lottery or find a Sugar Daddy. So if you can help with either one of those that would be great :D!

Many here did when the both these classes came out, carbon copy, no innovations blah, blah blah. Can't believe you never sailed on a Dream class ship... You should come on our Journey cruise next year on the Breeze.

When is the Breeze journey?

Ive been on 2 Fantasy ships, victory 2x, Freedom class 2x, Splendor x1 & Dream x1. To be honest? I haven't noticed a consistency in crowds that relates to the class or size. Some sailings had bad lines & crowdings. Some didn't. Some sailings I couldn't find a seat at comedy. Some it was a free for all. Some sailings the disco was hoppin'. Some, it was dead. Some sailings I couldnt find a beach chair. Some it was easy peasy.

I've been on a mix of classes & sizes across all seasons of the year. I've found the crowds to be more specific to the sailing than the size or class of ship. Dream is my most recent cruise & biggest ship. I didn't find it anymore crowded than Imagination.

I sail Vista in March. I'll see then.

When is the Breeze journey?

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I would love to, but I have this little thing called work and I can't get that much time off. I need to either win the lottery or find a Sugar Daddy. So if you can help with either one of those that would be great :D!

If I see either I will give you a shout.

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Nice itinerary but we are getting off a Conquest cruise two weeks before.

That's a nice itinerary on the best ship. I hear those journey cruises are like cruising Carnival ten years ago. Some of the things that make cruising unique and special are done. ie less cutbacks.

Getting on the Symphony for Thanksgiving, otherwise I would consider it.

Without a doubt, the busiest roll call I have ever seen on CC. It will no interesting to see how so many plats and diamonds affect the cruise experience if at all.

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we are cruising on Vista in September 2018 and looking forward to it. I have read some of the reviews and I was a bit scared about booking, but I guess it has alot to do with what you expect. I look at every cruise as a vacation, time away from work. My expectations aren't high by any means....I am just glad that I don't have to cook, clean or punch a time clock. I have cruised 8 times with Carnival and can't think of one thing to complain about that would have ruined my vacation.

Describe class and style from a cruise ship perspective for me so I know in the future......

Jimbo... My response was in response to a earlier poster who wanted/expected world class service, accomodations and food on a cruise ship. I can't give you the definition of class...lol Closest I can come to elegant with white glove service like the smaller expensive lines, and then comes the rest!! Your asking the wrong person lol

Jimbo... My response was in response to a earlier poster who wanted/expected world class service, accomodations and food on a cruise ship. I can't give you the definition of class...lol Closest I can come to elegant with white glove service like the smaller expensive lines, and then comes the rest!! Your asking the wrong person lol

I was hoping for some big inside scoop.... Asked and answered, thanks. The answer is probably in the each of us, and different. Cunard announces clients and escorts them to their cabins when boarding (white gloves also...which is why I post it). To some, this is world class, to me not so much. One of the other features is your MDR is dependent on your cabin class, which to me sounds over the top, but maybe not to others.... Options are a good thing.

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I was hoping for some big inside scoop.... Asked and answered, thanks. The answer is probably in the each of us, and different. Cunard announces clients and escorts them to their cabins when boarding (white gloves also...which is why I post it). To some, this is world class, to me not so much. One of the other features is your MDR is dependent on your cabin class, which to me sounds over the top, but maybe not to others.... Options are a good thing.

 

 

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I agree!! and we are now seeing some cruise lines like Carnival and NCL starting to inch into some of these class type upgrades/differences with the Havana cabins....and I believe NCL has a special dining room for the Haven cabin cruisers. Obviously....passengers have given feedback this is something they want but not at the Cunard type price.....so it looks like they are trying a middle ground

I agree!! and we are now seeing some cruise lines like Carnival and NCL starting to inch into some of these class type upgrades/differences with the Havana cabins....and I believe NCL has a special dining room for the Haven cabin cruisers. Obviously....passengers have given feedback this is something they want but not at the Cunard type price.....so it looks like they are trying a middle ground

True enough, NCL's the Haven has a restaurant for these cruisers only and the Havana rooms on the Vista and soon to be Horizon are Carnival's version. We sailed Vista twice, the first time in the med and could not justify the cost, but then again in April and tried a Havana cabana room which we loved. It can be an addicting drug. It is working also, the significantly added the number of Havana cabins on the Horizon and still selling like hot cakes.

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We cruised on the Vista this past April. Overall, I didn't much care for the way this ship is designed and laid out. I'll be quite honest, I wasn't particularly "wowed" by the Atrium. The design and seating of the main theater is terrible. With a bar right outside in the Atrium, why did Carnival think it was a good idea to have one inside the theater as well? Couldn't the entrance to the Horizons Dining Room on Deck 3 for YTD have been better planned so that people wouldn't have to go to a little desk on Deck 5 to check in before going down to the MDR to be seated? While I'm glad I got to sail on a new ship, I won't be going again on the Vista, and have no desire to cruise on the Horizon. Those that do, I hope you have a nice cruise.

Well said my wife and I had the same impression. It gave us a very closed in feeling and everything was bland and blended together color wise. Breeze is better IMO

Just got off our 2nd cruise on the Vista. LOVE the Havana area...this time we had a Havana Cabana. The ship was full but never seemed crowded. Never saw long lines for anything.

Your post made me think.... and caused me to do a little research to find out just how they do stack up compared by class...

On cruise deck plans website I was able to see the space ratio for all classes of Carnival ships. Meaning the square feet available per person on a capacity sailing.

 

The Destiny Class (Sunshine) has the smallest ratio at 27

The Vista comes in next with 28

The Dream class is tied with the Fantasy class at 29

Then comes the Splendor, Triumph and Conquest classes at 31 each

The largest is the Spirit Class at 34.

Based on what I could find, Carnival’s cost per lower berth seems to be decreasing with the newer builds:

Fantasy: $250 MM/2,052 LB = $121,832 (1990); $229,838 (2017)

Destiny (as built): $409 MM/2,624 LB = $154,807 (1996); $243,373 (2017)

Conquest: $500 MM/2,924 LB = $168,174 (1998); $254,417 (2017)

Spirit: $375 MM/2,124 LB = $176,554 (2001); $246,041 (2017)

Dream: $741 MM/3,652 LB = $202,903 (2008); $232,457 (2017)

Vista: $780 MM/3,936 LB = $198,171 (2016); $203,667 (2017)

2020 Newbuild: $950 MM/5,000 LB = $190,000

If Carnival Pinnacle had been built for even $1 Billion in 1998 dollars, it would be the equivalent of about $1.5 Billion today. Symphony of the Seas will have 5,400 Lower Berths for “only” $1.3 Billion or $240,741 per Lower Berth.

Wait, I was on that 11/4 vista cruise. It was a pretty good ship and I was on it for 2 weeks. The only negative thing I saw on the 11/4 cruise was the passengers. They were trashing that ship at every turn. Whenever the club let out they would raid the pizza station and completely trash it. Pizza on the floor, smeared on the glass outside, tables were a mess, literally looked like a storm rolled through. Nasty people. I didn't notice any true crowding issues, there were a lot of large family groups cruising together so there were concentrated areas of people... of their own people if that makes sense. I never felt it to be crowded and rarely saw lines. Someone commented on the dining room, I saw both dining rooms, the your time timing room in the aft is by far the best and classy dining room I've ever seen on a ship, it was huge. The dining room midship was your classic cruise dining room, nothin special. They were complaining about how the tables didn't have table clothes or "china", as far as I know none of the carnival ships have table cloths anymore except for formal nights. Crazy people, just relax and have a good time. I will definitely cruise again on the Vista and would recommend it. I was hesitant about it at first because I was previously on the Magic which felt very crowded. Schwartz was a fantastic cruise director but will be moving to the breeze.

People also complain about the your time dining check in on 5, ya it's a little ridiculous but HARDLY a deal breaker. If that's your biggest complaint then you had a great time.

I didn't like the theatre setup either, didn't like the chair setup and was only 2 decks so it felt small but that's because the IMAX theatre eats up a lot of space.

Based on what I could find, Carnival’s cost per lower berth seems to be decreasing with the newer builds:

 

 

 

Fantasy: $250 MM/2,052 LB = $121,832 (1990); $229,838 (2017)

 

Destiny (as built): $409 MM/2,624 LB = $154,807 (1996); $243,373 (2017)

 

Conquest: $500 MM/2,924 LB = $168,174 (1998); $254,417 (2017)

 

Spirit: $375 MM/2,124 LB = $176,554 (2001); $246,041 (2017)

 

Dream: $741 MM/3,652 LB = $202,903 (2008); $232,457 (2017)

 

Vista: $780 MM/3,936 LB = $198,171 (2016); $203,667 (2017)

 

2020 Newbuild: $950 MM/5,000 LB = $190,000

 

 

 

If Carnival Pinnacle had been built for even $1 Billion in 1998 dollars, it would be the equivalent of about $1.5 Billion today. Symphony of the Seas will have 5,400 Lower Berths for “only” $1.3 Billion or $240,741 per Lower Berth.

OK, I have to ask, what does all this mean?

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OK, I have to ask, what does all this mean?

 

 

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It means Carnival has a bad habit of adding a whole lot more peope without adding a whole lot more space. When you look at the space per passenger, Carnival is way behind compared to competitors.

It means Carnival has a bad habit of adding a whole lot more peope without adding a whole lot more space. When you look at the space per passenger, Carnival is way behind compared to competitors.

Which space does it count? All space , some space, foot space, outer space? I have been on every class of ship that Carnival has done since the mid 80's, the number one thing I have noticed on these? Not once did I say wow, this ship is crowded and I wish there was more free space.

Mostly what I read here is this being tossed about by bashers of Carnival. Listing out cost for 3rd and 4th passenger is about as meaningful as wings on an ostrich.

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This makes my head hurt.......:*

Someone has way to much time on their hand