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After about 30 cruises, I believe the slots are the loosest the first 2 days and the last day of each cruise.

Who has experienced this theory? I have seen arguments that the host of the casino ha not control on payouts etc.

I say they may in fact have control , but the theory is based on my experience...

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After about 30 cruises, I believe the slots are the loosest the first 2 days and the last day of each cruise.

Who has experienced this theory? I have seen arguments that the host of the casino ha not control on payouts etc.

I say they may in fact have control , but the theory is based on my experience...

 

Go on the internet and look up slot machines. What you are claiming is the number 1 myth of slot machine. I have been on this board since it’s inception and have seen all types of variations of your theory. After dinner, sea days, nights of port days and one person claimed the last day. All are not true, what you experienced was coincidence.

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After about 30 cruises, I believe the slots are the loosest the first 2 days and the last day of each cruise.

Who has experienced this theory? I have seen arguments that the host of the casino ha not control on payouts etc.

I say they may in fact have control , but the theory is based on my experience...

 

I normally do very well on the first and last days of a cruise only.

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Slot players are an interesting lot :). They tend to believe all kinds of rumors (rumours for you Brits) and ignore facts. My widowed neighbor was a big time slot player and would always tell us about how much she won at the casino. A very few years later she was selling her home and moving in with her sister, because she had lost nearly all her savings to slots.

 

The reality is that slots are programmed at the factory and generally have a chip set that can not be altered without changing out the chips (EPROM). In practice this is just not done on any kind of regular basis. Most slots go to the graveyard with the same chip set that was installed when the machine was manufactured. The payback (odds) on slots are among the worst odds of any game in a casino (Black Jack and Craps have the best player odds). So all this talk about slots paying out more at the beginning or end of a cruise is just a lot of baloney. The odds of hitting are actually the same on every pull (or now we could say push). They use random number generators that have no ability to change their randomness from play to play.

 

My issue with Cruise ship casinos is that they are completely unregulated. The casinos can set their own rules, have slots programmed (at the factory) for any kind of payout (often among the worst in the business) and there is no regulatory authority watching over the operation of the casino like you have on land. In many States the minimum payback for slots is specified by regulation. On a ship it is specified by the casino operator.

 

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The older style of machines chips had to be manually changed by opening the machine, unsealing the chip, resetting it, then resealing the chip. The newer network(multiple machines controlled from a single source) machines chips can be switched and controlled from one computer. The regulations are the same as to what the chips can be set at though. Now depending on the regulation these chips can technically be changed constantly. So with that being said, yes a ship could make the first/last or any days payouts higher on any number of machines.

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The older style of machines chips had to be manually changed by opening the machine, unsealing the chip, resetting it, then resealing the chip. The newer network(multiple machines controlled from a single source) machines chips can be switched and controlled from one computer. The regulations are the same as to what the chips can be set at though. Now depending on the regulation these chips can technically be changed constantly. So with that being said, yes a ship could make the first/last or any days payouts higher on any number of machines.

 

Yes, the newer computer based machines can be centrally controlled and *could* technically be reprogrammed as often as the casino liked. The old school "chip" machines could not.

 

But there is simply no reason for them to do this. Slot machines grind out the profit for the casino on each and every spin, just the few percentage points of each wager they do not return, over the long (long) haul, generates plenty of revenue for the casino.

 

The skill of the casino staff lies in putting a mix of machines with differing payback percentages on the floor to generate enough "action" to keep the players betting. After that, it's sit back and let the money roll in. Believe me, a good slots manager knows within pennies what revenue he/she can expect to see every day.

 

The fallacy of "early pay outs," "hot or cold machines," "Casinos alter the machines" are just that, fallacies. Each and every spin of the slot machine has the same chances of paying out or not. And each and every spin is a random, single event that has nothing to do with the one before or the one after. But our minds don't work well with true randomness. We like to try and find patterns in random events, so we decide the machine is "cold"or "hot" or "the casino has stopped them from paying." None of that is true.

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Slot revenues, especially on cruise ships where the number of machines are small are not figured on a daily or even weekly basis. If say 3 large jackpots are hit in one week on a ship that will blow the revenue for that week for that ship. Fleet wide though there revenues will about the same each week.

 

I have to disagree somewhat with some of you about the casino not adjusting the paybacks on say the first and last night. This a perfect time for the house to show off some winnings especially to the novice or vacation gambler. Think about it. They make the payoffs 99% on the "fun" low denomination games for the first night. People hit these small jackpots and it draws not only them in but the other people watching. Bells and whistles go off, people scream and high five each other, etc. Then on day 2 they drop the payoffs down to 80% and they laugh all the way to the bank. Again with the old style machines this could be done, it would not be easy but it could be. With the network machines though it is as easy as hitting a keyboard. The regulations are also a mystery on ships and the payouts are nowhere to be found, unlike in say vegas where they are posted. Letting people win on day one so they keep coming back and then again on the last day to give them hope next time they sail is nothing but smart businness sense.

 

Lastly the odds of hitting a jackpot on the 99% payout machine are much greater than the 80% machine. With that being said you still may hit more jackpots on the 80% machine. Your odds though are much less. heck you may hit 3 in a row on the 80 and none for an entire week on the 99. In the end though with a big enough sampling you will win much more from the 99.

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so there are differing opinions--certainly we can agree lack of regulations, or authority that controls any of this.

Not to mention the IRS coming after you if you do win big, even though you are in International waters

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Couple of quick points, there actually is an association of cruise lines which the major cruise lines belong to which regulates cruise ship casinos. They basically follow all rules followed by the land based casinos. Here is a link to the CLIA. Problem is I don't know how much enforcement power they have. Keep in mind that any casino does not have to cheat, they will always win.

 

https://www.cruising.org/about-the-industry/regulatory/industry-policies/other/gambling

 

Hank above is absolutely correct about the older slot machines, actually in land based casinos it is against the law to change the RNG without regulatory approval. The newer machines can change but there are still some controls. Also, unless you are on a pretty new ship, you're probably going to get mostly the older machines.

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I can tell you much of what is being talked about on here is nonsense.

Casinos do not change machine percentages during a voyage. To do this you have to physically go in to the machine with a set chip [eprom]. Depending on the machine this can take anywhere from 20 to 40 minutes which includes rebooting the machine. The myth that they can be changed by someone sat at a computer is completely false.

Most machines have a range that the percentages can be set at. The range is set up by the manufacturer. With many of the newer machines the Casino does not even have that option & the percentages come as they are.

All slot machines are random & thus you can have jackpots within a short space of time & then not pay out at all for months or even years.

 

It's no different than blackjack players thinking that decks have been stripped of tens to give the house an advantage. I had this only the other day because the player lost $1000 in a short space of time. He wanted to watch the decks be checked at the end of the night which we allowed him to do. He wasted about 1 ½ hours waiting & watching the decks be checked only to see that all of the cards were there.

 

Gamblers have always liked to think something is not right when they lose or lose quickly. This comes from the lack of understanding of how probability works.

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Oldseadog1969. It seems as if you work in a casino of some sort as a dealer or floor person. Your casino was nice to allow a low stakes player or any player for that matter to watch you suit the decks at the end of that tables activity.

 

For the slot matter though, yes you are completely correct as to the old manual machines with the manual chips. If your casino is modern and has a slot control room with network machines though the slots are indeed controlled via that room. I know first hand that access is extremely limited into the system and even access to the room is nearly impossible without clearance. This is relatively new to the industry and the controls and checks are much more complicated than the old manual way.

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After about 30 cruises, I believe the slots are the loosest the first 2 days and the last day of each cruise.

 

Who has experienced this theory? I have seen arguments that the host of the casino ha not control on payouts etc.

 

I say they may in fact have control , but the theory is based on my experience...

 

 

 

I believe the host does watch the gamblers closely. I won the last night and another attendant was close by talking to me several times before it happened. Thrilled but also thought it wasn’t a coincidence.

 

 

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After about 30 cruises, I believe the slots are the loosest the first 2 days and the last day of each cruise.

Who has experienced this theory? I have seen arguments that the host of the casino ha not control on payouts etc.

I say they may in fact have control , but the theory is based on my experience...

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO markf: What you are spouting is utter nonsense. The slots are not loose on certain days and not others. The R.N.G. is set in the factory where the slot machine is manufactured. There is no way to reset the odds on a given slot other than sending it back to the factory and give the machine another R.N.G. Used to work in a Hotel with a casino. Employees are not allowed to play table games, but, they are allowed to play slot machines. Why? Because of the R.N.G.

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I spend TOO much time in the casino and although I know it doesn't make sense, but I also seem to win most the first two nights and hardly ever in between! I was recently on Harmony of the Seas and several of us were complaining that the machines were SOOOO tight (even the first night) and then guess what? The fourth night I hit two jackpots within a few minutes. (one was 1500.00 and the other 2200.00) these were both on the Wheel of Fortune. So I guess my complaining worked!! :D

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After about 30 cruises, I believe the slots are the loosest the first 2 days and the last day of each cruise.

Who has experienced this theory? I have seen arguments that the host of the casino ha not control on payouts etc.

I say they may in fact have control , but the theory is based on my experience...

Just looking at the Original Post...

I believe the cruise ships are in favor of gaining your money.:p

Don't think you may win...

Keep playing until you lose all of your money.

It's all fun and entertainment;

just don't get pissy when you lose.

"The next best thing to winning is losing."

You then, may be offered a "free" cruise.

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