Child falls 2 stories in ship at port

This here is the problem. If the facts reported are true, and not saying they are. THEY SHOULD NOT BE SUING. Accidents happen. There's not always someone to 'blame'.

I've yet to see a single report, stating factually, how exactly that girl went up and over the railing. Have you?

From what I've seen, the media reports all contradict one another. She fell 6 stories, she fell 3 stories, she fell 2 stories, she was shoved out of an elevator, etc, etc, etc. You are in no position to determine whether or not the family has a case.

Are there cameras covering every inch of a cruise ship? I am asking seriously. I know there all cameras, but I can't believe 100% that they can cover every angle, on every deck, etc.

Yes. In the public spaces, the camera coverage is pretty good. This incident would have been captured on numerous cameras.

GMA ran with the story this morning that she may have been forced somehow from crowded elevators.

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There is no Way I can see someone going over the rail without Climbing or being lifted and thrown off, We already Know as a fact that the rail was NOT broken, Already they have an attorney. People Need to Supervise their Kids at all times

 

PS Lawyers can't call the family after an accident it's a violation of the Florida Bar Rules regarding solicitation.

 

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That very well may be. My only personal experience with accident lawyers is from when I had a minor traffic accident. For the next month my mailbox was full every day with attorney solicitations telling me how they would get me paid if I signed on with them. No injuries, minor damage, insurance took care of everything no questions asked. Or I could have jumped on one of the attorney packages I got and had them take 30% of the money the insurance ended up paying and not even have been able to fix my car.

The rest of my attitude is due to cases where I do know a vast majority of the details and where suits were brought that were 100% frivolous. It happens plenty. Maybe you are, but not all attorneys are as ethical as you.

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That’s because people don’t understand the purpose of an attorney in the preliminary stages of a case like this. They want to rush judgement and assume the family is frivolously money grabbing. They’re being ignorant.

Within two days, the family had announced they planned on suing Carnival. Nobody forced them to make that announcement.

I truly hope the death of this child will not end up being a money making excersize for family members ....and esp lawyers .Trying to find culprits in this tragedy will not bring her back .It is very difficult to imagine somone going over a ship railing ..I. 5'4 and they come above my waist ...so a child should have it around her neck .....not sure how she could have fallen without being lifted or rising above it by stepping on something ...

Unfortunately it was an accident ...to try to post blame for money is unconscionable iMO ...it will not diminish the grief

I've yet to see a single report, stating factually, how exactly that girl went up and over the railing. Have you?

 

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You should know by now that waiting for the facts and use of common sense are somewhat frowned upon here. Just sayin'... [emoji41]

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I've yet to see a single report, stating factually, how exactly that girl went up and over the railing. Have you?

 

 

 

From what I've seen, the media reports all contradict one another. She fell 6 stories, she fell 3 stories, she fell 2 stories, she was shoved out of an elevator, etc, etc, etc. You are in no position to determine whether or not the family has a case.

I certainly have not... in fact that's all I've said. Everyone needs to take a chill pill until the investigation is complete and the facts are known. But I find the assumption that they have an actionable lawsuit when there's people on the ship who can verify that nothing on the ship is broken (railings, etc); to have misplaced the issue. The family is the one jumping to 'we are pursing legal action' before they know the facts.

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I can’t go back through all the posts as the internet here is atrocious. I’m also trying to post a pic but it won’t work.

No amount of pushing or shoving will force anyone over it that wasn’t already leaning up and way over. I’m 5’3” and it’s chest high on me.

I certainly have not... in fact that's all I've said. Everyone needs to take a chill pill until the investigation is complete and the facts are known. But I find the assumption that they have an actionable lawsuit when there's people on the ship who can verify that nothing on the ship is broken (railings, etc); to have misplaced the issue. The family is the one jumping to 'we are pursing legal action' before they know the facts.

 

 

 

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You should know by now that waiting for the facts and use of common sense are somewhat frowned upon here. Just sayin'... [emoji41]

So true. Thanks for the gut check. ;)

I read this in the news before I saw the thread here and my heart has been crying ever since. I have read thru this whole thread and the only thought that keeps going thru my mind is: since this child was taken from this earth so much earlier than anyone who knew her imagined, I hope she and her family had a very special cruise vacation that would be the last they ever had with her. I hope there were so many awesome moments and so many smiles and so much laughter that it will fill their hearts with a lifetime of unforgettable memories. May she rest in peace and prayers of comfort to her family and friends and peace to the crew members of the Glory.

Amen🙏

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I can’t go back through all the posts as the internet here is atrocious. I’m also trying to post a pic but it won’t work.

 

No amount of pushing or shoving will force anyone over it that wasn’t already leaning up and way over. I’m 5’3” and it’s chest high on me.

Exactly, plus the elevators don't let you out at the railing...it lets you out in the middle of the banks of elevators.

Possibly, she had stepped out of the elevator somehow then went to look by the railings to see if she could see her family below. Being child size, maybe she lifted her self up with her arms to look over (teeter tottering) and her upper body lost balance and fell over.

Otherwise there is no sense to "getting shoved out of an elevator and pushed over the railing"

I hope we do learn the answer. Some of my non cruising friends are already saying "see that's why I don't cruise" thinking that you can truly just fall over a railing.

Amen🙏

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Perfectly said,such a sad loss of a life.

That very well may be. My only personal experience with accident lawyers is from when I had a minor traffic accident. For the next month my mailbox was full every day with attorney solicitations telling me how they would get me paid if I signed on with them. No injuries, minor damage, insurance took care of everything no questions asked. Or I could have jumped on one of the attorney packages I got and had them take 30% of the money the insurance ended up paying and not even have been able to fix my car.

 

The rest of my attitude is due to cases where I do know a vast majority of the details and where suits were brought that were 100% frivolous. It happens plenty. Maybe you are, but not all attorneys are as ethical as you.

 

 

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That is also a bar violation. They are not allowed to mail you until a month after. However, those are direct mailers, just like traffic tickets. It's a marketing company for Attorney's that pull either crash reports (for civil lawyers) or traffic tickets (for criminal lawyers)

This is not a lawyer being sleazy, the accident report doesn't say whether you were injured or not and often doesn't even state the damage to vehicle. It's just mailed to everyone in case you are hurt.

I have lost track of how many clients I haven't gotten 40-50 days after an accident who didn't hire a lawyer but after getting shafted by insurance company called us.

The big money hungry insurance companies have created this campaign that lawyers are frivolous, money hungry etc. But that is because they have the money to market.

The truth is insurance companies screw people a lot. Yes their are fraudulent Claims but for every fraudulent claim there are 100 good Claims the insurance company denies.

Ask yourself which is more unethical? An attorney mailing you advising you of your rights after a month? Or the insurance company calling an injured person up the next day and offering them a settlement check for 2K when the insurance policy of the at fault party required them to pay $10K or 25K?

It happens I can email you copies of checks and releases sent the day after accident via email with the names removed if you like.

As for your last comment about attorney taking 30% we don't take a fee on property damage so if your car damage was $1K and a check came for $1K we wouldn't take anything for that.

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GMA ran with the story this morning that she may have been forced somehow from crowded elevators.

 

 

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That makes no sense at all. Even if she was in the 'glass' elevator they empty away from where she fell. So there's no way she could have been 'forced' over the edge that way - and those elevators only hold a few people anyway. I'm 5'1", there's no way I could go over the edge in a crush of people.

Several people have made comments that they could understand if it were a boy, like boys are more rambunctious than girls. I taught 2nd grade - some of the hardest to control kids I had were girls! Field trips were scary with some of them.

Exactly, plus the elevators don't let you out at the railing...it lets you out in the middle of the banks of elevators.

 

Possibly, she had stepped out of the elevator somehow then went to look by the railings to see if she could see her family below. Being child size, maybe she lifted her self up with her arms to look over (teeter tottering) and her upper body lost balance and fell over.

 

Otherwise there is no sense to "getting shoved out of an elevator and pushed over the railing"

 

I hope we do learn the answer. Some of my non cruising friends are already saying "see that's why I don't cruise" thinking that you can truly just fall over a railing.

There are pics posted on this thread that clearly show about a 2 foot chrome section (shelf?) at the bottom of the railing. So your 5"3" standing on that and bending over could get accidentally bumped during the jostling of disembarkation day.

There is no Way I can see someone going over the rail without Climbing or being lifted and thrown off, We already Know as a fact that the rail was NOT broken, Already they have an attorney. People Need to Supervise their Kids at all times

Yes, I completely AGREE with you.. Parents SHOULD..do a lot things better:eek: and that is way many times they are held responsible when a child is hurt. BUT... IN today's social society tooo many parents either believe: a) I'm too busy pleasing myself to worry about ANYTHING but 'ME' , besides they're kids, WHAT could possibly happen ? OR b) it's the ship or hotel's responsibility to watch OVER ALL safety aspects of it's quest, after all.. I paid for this week.

Two cases where I saw 'less than decent parents'---

1) My wife and I were on our honeymoon in Vegas for a week, and almost every night inside the casino we saw children (from 1 a.m. or later, outside the gaming areas sleeping--yes sleeping on benches. Casino police kept repeating over P.A. 'Would the parents of the following children Johnny and Cathy, ages 3 and 5 PLEASE come out and pick up your children' Later, after I returned home, I saw a interview on 'Sixty Minutes' with a furious father, who was almost foaming at the mouth with anger that, 'How DARE the Hotel/casino interrupt HIS pleasure when HE paid for his week. I might add this was 1995.

2) while on our last cruise (March/2017) the last night my wife and I were leaving the buffet area, opened the door, and as we walked outside noticed it had been raining for quite awhile, as the deck was extremely soaked and slippery, in fact, I mentioned to my wife,' Watch your step'. About this time 3-4 children (they were running so fast, it was difficult to count) flew past us.:eek: I thought silently to myself, 'What would have happened IF (God forbid) one of the tykes had slipped and hit his head on the deck or a table out by the pool?' A frantic AND outraged parent would be SCREAMING in a ship officer's face, that the cruise line was at FAULT !! And furthermore had RUINED his cruise !

As we all know, kids will BE kids, they do NOT, can NOT see danger.:(

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You're relying on a comment from a family member spokesperson (an uncle) who is not an attorney to pass judgement on the families intentions. Just wait it out before reaching your conclusion.

 

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AND this happened while the mother was hospitalized due to her grief. No one knows what will happen once she stabilizes a bit. There is no need to place blame on the victims in this case. The family just lost an 8 yo child, they may not be rational for a while.

AND just because someone retains a lawyer does not mean they will sue Carnival. It just doesn't.

Way too early to know anything at this point.

a child is dead. If it were my child, I would be out of my head beside myself, and certainly my brain would not be functioning 100%. I might be looking to blame someone, and would surely be blaming myself. I would want answers that would not bring back my child. I would be angry with those trying to put the blame on me, while totally despondent. I wouldn't know how to go on.

That is also a bar violation. They are not allowed to mail you until a month after. However, those are direct mailers, just like traffic tickets. It's a marketing company for Attorney's that pull either crash reports (for civil lawyers) or traffic tickets (for criminal lawyers)

 

This is not a lawyer being sleazy, the accident report doesn't say whether you were injured or not and often doesn't even state the damage to vehicle. It's just mailed to everyone in case you are hurt.

 

As for your last comment about attorney taking 30% we don't take a fee on property damage so if your car damage was $1K and a check came for $1K we wouldn't take anything for that.

 

I respect what you do and I am happy to hear that you are a more upstanding lawyer. I've had my own experience with injury lawyers, unfortunately many are not the best rule followers. I'm sure we all know there are both good and bad in every profession.

My husband was in a collision 2 years ago where he was, miraculously, unharmed. If you saw the car you'd be shocked. He spoke with a few lawyers. We were more concerned about property damage as the vehicle was only a month old and the person who ran the red light and hit my husband head-on only had $10k in coverage. That doesnt cover $35,000 in damages. NO ONE cared about the car. All of the lawyers insisted there had to be "something wrong" medically with my husband based on the accident. There wasn't, but they kept pushing the issue so we finally stopped talking to them. We were not interested in filing a false medical claim.

Those flyers and post cards are, by default, still from the attorney. They hire the marketing team to mail it for them. The marketing company isn't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

Concerning the original story in this thread. I cannot imagine what it must be like inside the minds of the family. No one thinks clearly after a tragedy. It takes time to process andsort through your own memory. Emotions can certainly hamper our perspective. So people often jump to a lawyer to do the thinking for them. I can't say what I would do if this happened to one of my boys. i'd be devastated, that's for sure.

As an outside party though, it does seem like an unfortunate accident of a child climbing up the rail (using the step) and falling over. I dont believe anyone is at fault based on what I've read here, online, and seen on local news.

Unfortunately kids will do what kids do, lawyers will do what lawyers do, people will sue as people do. As tragic as this is the ship's will keep selling. I pray for the family and those affected by this accident, and I feel for this little angel that lost her life way too soon.

That is also a bar violation. They are not allowed to mail you until a month after. However, those are direct mailers, just like traffic tickets. It's a marketing company for Attorney's that pull either crash reports (for civil lawyers) or traffic tickets (for criminal lawyers)

 

This is not a lawyer being sleazy, the accident report doesn't say whether you were injured or not and often doesn't even state the damage to vehicle. It's just mailed to everyone in case you are hurt.

 

 

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You say this like the lawyers have no idea these mailers are being sent out. They hire the marketing companies to do it!

And yes, I am 100% positive they contacted me in less than a month. Full disclosure - I'm a cop and it was in the jurisdiction I work in. So a co-worker sent me a copy immediately but I wanted to get an official copy from police records for the insurance company. Before I could even get around to requesting on (so within a few days), I was getting these packets in the mail that had the accident report in them. So never bothered requesting a copy. Figured if it was good enough for the attorneys to send out it was good enough for the insurance company.

In Ohio the accident reports most certainly do report if you are injured or not. In fact it's a numerical score in a specific box so I'm pretty sure there's a way they could filter that if they wanted to.

I'm not really interested in arguing this anymore. Not all attorneys are bad. Just think that as a whole, people jump to suing far too fast. Not every tragedy in life needs to end with 'getting paid', though it happens far too often. And yes, the sleaziest of the sleazy that are apparently soliciting in violation of the rules and running ads all over TV are unfortunately getting rich doing it. But glad to know about the soliciting rule. Next time it happens I might save the materials and see if anyone cares enough to take the complaint.

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Someone who apparently was on the ship claims the Mom was on the phone , backto the girl , while the girl climbed on a table to wave to someone and lost her footing ...truthfully that makes more sense ...

In anycase a very sad ending for this poor child and I.m sure this devastated family.....not easy