Questions for the Craps players!

[evergladesgator]

Your playing with "SCARED" money. Find another game.:(

[Yo Eleven]

I have a quick question about bankroll...I'm a poor college student and my game of choice has been BJ (when i can find a 5 dollar table) and i usually buy in with $50-$100 depending how much i brought for the trip. I understand craps, but i dont want to have more than $10 max on the table at a time. Would i be better off betting $5 on the pass line with $5 odds behind it, or saving the other $5 for a come bet? Im looking to maximize the fun i have at the table, so just curious what you all think

 

Your playing with "SCARED" money. Find another game.:(

Exactly-he should stick to penny slots. :p

[relin711]

I have a quick question about bankroll...I'm a poor college student and my game of choice has been BJ (when i can find a 5 dollar table) and i usually buy in with $50-$100 depending how much i brought for the trip. I understand craps, but i dont want to have more than $10 max on the table at a time. Would i be better off betting $5 on the pass line with $5 odds behind it, or saving the other $5 for a come bet? Im looking to maximize the fun i have at the table, so just curious what you all think

 

To quote a classic film, "the only winning move is not to play."

[evergladesgator]

Excellent movie. :):):)

[todareistodo]

To quote a classic film, "the only winning move is not to play."

 

That is my favorite movie ever!

 

But seriously i budget about 50-100 bucks a day for the casino, and i stay away from slots because frankly i dont find them fun. You think i would be better of maybe taking my same budget, but spreading it over fewer days? So instead of $500ish over 7 days, maybe only play 2-3 nights with a bigger bankroll?

[evergladesgator]

WHAT are y'all gonna do the other nights ?????????????:) Ya never know at the craps table. I have a ton of stories over the years. Once in Mohegan Sun i turned a $100.00 into $3300.00 at a "HOT" table. Then again while in Puerto Rico i turned to the DARKSIDE and made money. The stick kept hollaring Siete, MUERTE. Had to try something . Ya never know. Put your 100 on the table, play the pass line with odds then place the 6 & 8 for 6 bucks each and see what happens. A hot roll can occur at any minute. If y'all seven out a few times take off and have a cold beer. Enjoy.:)

[MrCo9]

Don't listen to these Nervous Nellies, $50-100 is enough to play with, if that is what you can afford to play with. Just have to be on the table at the right time. There is nothing wrong with having your chips, standing at the table and not betting on every shooter. If all you want to put on the table is $10, $5 Pass Line with $5 odds is a decent bet to make. When you win, take $10 odds on the next point. Then when you win again, make $5 come bet and take $10 odds. The key to craps is using the chips the casino gives you to make more money.

 

You can always call off any Place Bets and Hardways you have along with the odds on your Come Bets if you get that funny feeling that a 7 is coming. I have done that MANY times and still had my bets on the table when the dealer was putting everyone else's chips away. Now, I have also called my bets off many MORE times just before the hard 8 rolled. It's a feeling, and sometimes that feeling is just gas.

[evergladesgator]

Question for MrCo9.

What ratio does a seven occur when the dice or die are thrown off the table compared to when a shooter says "same dice " or when the stick just pushes the entire tray of dice to them ???

thanks. Inquiring minds what to know.

[MrCo9]

Question for MrCo9.

What ratio does a seven occur when the dice or die are thrown off the table compared to when a shooter says "same dice " or when the stick just pushes the entire tray of dice to them ???

thanks. Inquiring minds what to know.

1 roll in 6 (based on 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 rolls) will result in a 7 rolling. Same ratio for any situation you can think of. Seems to happen more often when the die or dice leave the table, but that's only because you are then paying attention to the next roll.

[UCF06]

Say I am at a $10 minimum table. I place $10 on the pass line the point is established and I take full odds. Since I already put $10 on the pass line my minimum is covered correct? I could then place $5 dollars on 4 or 5? In other words I do not have to put 10 down for every bet?

[evergladesgator]

No, it's a 10.00 MINIMUM table. Must bet 10 bucks @ bet.:(

[MrCo9]

All bets, except for those in the proposition box (Craps, Elevens, Hardways, Any 7) must be $10 EACH. Depending on the casino the proposition aka Sucker Bets, can be as little as $1 each.

[MrCo9]

I have a quick question about bankroll...I'm a poor college student and my game of choice has been BJ (when i can find a 5 dollar table) and i usually buy in with $50-$100 depending how much i brought for the trip. I understand craps, but i dont want to have more than $10 max on the table at a time. Would i be better off betting $5 on the pass line with $5 odds behind it, or saving the other $5 for a come bet? Im looking to maximize the fun i have at the table, so just curious what you all think

 

Don't listen to these Nervous Nellies, $50-100 is enough to play with, if that is what you can afford to play with. Just have to be on the table at the right time. There is nothing wrong with having your chips, standing at the table and not betting on every shooter. If all you want to put on the table is $10, $5 Pass Line with $5 odds is a decent bet to make. When you win, take $10 odds on the next point. Then when you win again, make $5 come bet and take $10 odds. The key to craps is using the chips the casino gives you to make more money.

 

You can always call off any Place Bets and Hardways you have along with the odds on your Come Bets if you get that funny feeling that a 7 is coming. I have done that MANY times and still had my bets on the table when the dealer was putting everyone else's chips away. Now, I have also called my bets off many MORE times just before the hard 8 rolled. It's a feeling, and sometimes that feeling is just gas.

 

Case in point: Where I work we offer a bet we call the "Small, Tall and All" It's 3 separate bets that many of our players put together. The "All Small" is a bet that the shooter will roll the 2,3,4,5 & 6 before a 7 and it pays 35 for 1. The "All Tall" is a bet that the shooter will roll the 8,9,10,11 & 12 before a 7 and it pays 35 for 1. The "All or Nothing" is a bet that the shooter will roll the All Small AND the All Tall before rolling a 7 and it pays 175 for 1.

 

Today we had a gal that plays there once or twice a month, come to the table and buy in for $40. She put $3 each on the Small and Tall and $4 on the all or nothing. Shooter rolled all the tall numbers, she collects $105, when the shooter 7'ed out the only number not rolled was the 2. Since she is now ahead she bets $5 each on the Small and Tall and $20 on the All or Nothing. She is now the shooter, I get tapped off the game to take my break, 20 minutes later I'm coming down the escalator to a GIANT roar from my craps table. She just rolled the last number needed to hit the all or nothing and is collecting $3,850 ($3,500 for the all or nothing and $175 each for the small and tall)for her efforts.

 

You don't always need a big bankroll to win, you just need to be ballsy enough to make the bets and be on the table at the RIGHT time.

 

She was not the biggest winner on our table today.

[jty1220]

Case in point: Where I work we offer a bet we call the "Small, Tall and All" It's 3 separate bets that many of our players put together. The "All Small" is a bet that the shooter will roll the 2,3,4,5 & 6 before a 7 and it pays 35 for 1. The "All Tall" is a bet that the shooter will roll the 8,9,10,11 & 12 before a 7 and it pays 35 for 1. The "All or Nothing" is a bet that the shooter will roll the All Small AND the All Tall before rolling a 7 and it pays 175 for 1.

 

Today we had a gal that plays there once or twice a month, come to the table and buy in for $40. She put $3 each on the Small and Tall and $4 on the all or nothing. Shooter rolled all the tall numbers, she collects $105, when the shooter 7'ed out the only number not rolled was the 2. Since she is now ahead she bets $5 each on the Small and Tall and $20 on the All or Nothing. She is now the shooter, I get tapped off the game to take my break, 20 minutes later I'm coming down the escalator to a GIANT roar from my craps table. She just rolled the last number needed to hit the all or nothing and is collecting $3,850 ($3,500 for the all or nothing and $175 each for the small and tall)for her efforts.

 

You don't always need a big bankroll to win, you just need to be ballsy enough to make the bets and be on the table at the RIGHT time.

 

She was not the biggest winner on our table today.

 

Can you explain what the "small tall and all" are?

[Yo Eleven]

Where I work we offer a bet we call the "Small, Tall and All" It's 3 separate bets that many of our players put together. The "All Small" is a bet that the shooter will roll the 2,3,4,5 & 6 before a 7 and it pays 35 for 1. The "All Tall" is a bet that the shooter will roll the 8,9,10,11 & 12 before a 7 and it pays 35 for 1. The "All or Nothing" is a bet that the shooter will roll the All Small AND the All Tall before rolling a 7 and it pays 175 for 1.

Can you explain what the "small tall and all" are?

LIV explained it quite well in his post. Please take a look one more time and if you still don't understand, we will try to explain in another way. But, it is all there.

 

:cool:

[ThatMan]

Can you explain what the "small tall and all" are?

As explained previously: If you're betting "the small" you are betting that the shooter will roll the 2,3,4,5,and 6 before a 7. If you're betting "the tall" you are betting that the shooter will roll the 8,9,10,11,and 12 before a 7. AND if you're betting "the all or nothing" you are betting that the shooter will roll the 2,3,4,5,68,9,10,11 and 12 before a 7.

 

I saw and played that bet at one of the Boyd Gaming properties in Las Vegas, can't recall which of their properties had it. Did well with it, 5th shooter was able to roll all the numbers, wish I had more than $15 spread between those 3 bets.

[dna1990]

I have not seen the Small, Tall, and All. How does the crew keep track of what all has been rolled? Is on your layout, or just held in the open like a hop?

[ThatMan]

As I recall there were 3 separate boxes at the top of the proposition box. The boxman used plastic chips with the numbers 2-12 on them and pushed them into the boxes as the numbers rolled. Once 1 number was marked up no new bets were allowed on this. Kind of like no new bets are allowed in the sports book after the game begins. Well, they do take halftime bets on football and basketball. One thing I noticed was with this extra betting option the game went a lot slower when there was a 7 on the come out roll as everyone was replacing those bets.

[AndyTheK]

When making place to lose bets ($7 "no 6" to win $6 ) you win when the shooter sevens out. Since you have not lost your bet, does the dealer leave it up (off on the new shooter's come-out by default) or is it taken down and returned along with your winnings? If I'm not wrong, these and the Lay bets are the only bets on the dealer's board whose action hasn't been settled, one way or the other. All other bets are cleared away.

 

Shalom, Andy.

[ThatMan]

When making place to lose bets ($7 "no 6" to win $6 ) you win when the shooter sevens out. Since you have not lost your bet, does the dealer leave it up (off on the new shooter's come-out by default) or is it taken down and returned along with your winnings? If I'm not wrong, these and the Lay bets are the only bets on the dealer's board whose action hasn't been settled, one way or the other. All other bets are cleared away.

 

Shalom, Andy.

Your numbers are a bit off it would be $7.20 (plus the vig) to win $6 on the 6 or 8. As no game I have ever seen uses silver coins the correct bets would be $6 to win $5 with you paying $.25 vig. $25 against the 6 or 8 will return $20, $24 is the actual lay bet and $1 vig. The dealer will leave the lay bet up if you wish, you just need to pay the vig again.

 

Also these best are not off on the come out roll, they are always in action. The only bets that are off on the come out roll are the place bets, and depending on the casino the hardway bets. Some casinos they are off, others they are always on, just ask if you're not sure.

[AndyTheK]

Your numbers are a bit off it would be $7.20 (plus the vig) to win $6 on the 6 or 8. As no game I have ever seen uses silver coins the correct bets would be $6 to win $5 with you paying $.25 vig. $25 against the 6 or 8 will return $20, $24 is the actual lay bet and $1 vig. The dealer will leave the lay bet up if you wish, you just need to pay the vig again.

 

Also these best are not off on the come out roll, they are always in action. The only bets that are off on the come out roll are the place bets, and depending on the casino the hardway bets. Some casinos they are off, others they are always on, just ask if you're not sure.

Sorry but I am not talking about Lay bets, which is what your answer is referring to (believe me, I know about breakage at the tables and the vig on Lay bets). However, I did get the amounts wrong. I've never actually played these bets - I'm not a darksider. . The correct numbers for "no 6" and "No 8" are $5 to win $4. - see http://wizardofodds.com/craps under "Place bets to lose".

 

Same win/lose events as for Lay bets, but different house edge, better on the 6 and 8 (on 5 and 9 too) in casinos where they take the vig up front, win or lose. Also, don't have to bet in units of $20 on these, can bet in units of $5. Note that Lay bets are still better for 4/10 than place to lose.

[ThatMan]

Sorry but I am not talking about Lay bets, which is what your answer is referring to (believe me, I know about breakage at the tables and the vig on Lay bets). However, I did get the amounts wrong. I've never actually played these bets - I'm not a darksider. . The correct numbers for "no 6" and "No 8" are $5 to win $4. - see http://wizardofodds.com/craps under "Place bets to lose".

 

Same win/lose events as for Lay bets, but different house edge, better on the 6 and 8 (on 5 and 9 too) in casinos where they take the vig up front, win or lose. Also, don't have to bet in units of $20 on these, can bet in units of $5. Note that Lay bets are still better for 4/10 than place to lose.

Try and stick with me here Andy, What do you get when you multiply 5 x 5? 25, right? What do you get when you multiply 4 x 5? 20 tight? So, my answers are the same as what you got from the Wizard BUT mine are bets you will actually see someone (Outside of Australia) make. "These bets can be found at the Star City casino in Sydney, Australia, and some Internet casinos." What exactly are you doing when you bet $5 to win $4, you're placing a $4.80 bet and paying $.20 vig to win $4. On the 5 and 9 there in the Aussie casino you're betting $8 which includes a $.50 vig (should only be $.25) to win $5. On the 4 and 10 it's $11 (should only be $10.25) to win $5, talk about breakage going to the house.

 

As to your original question, I don't know what happens to the Place Bets to Lose. I doubt many here can tell you as this is a cruise forum, not an Australian casino forum. When you go to Australia, as that is where you have to go to make these bets, why don't you tell us what they do.