world~citizen Posted March 7, 2012 #26 Share Posted March 7, 2012 ...Obviously missing variables here but there has to be more to this story - other than - well ...this story...... And I doubt we will ever find it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted March 7, 2012 #27 Share Posted March 7, 2012 He's from CA. We can't even put our violent criminals in jail. The prisons and jails are so overcrowded, even hardened criminals are being let out early or not convicted at all. I hope HAL slaps a huge civil suit on him. I'm sure they will. Bye bye RV dealership. Underline mine. That was my point. The jails are stuffed full. He's going to a Federal Pen though, isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serendipity1499 Posted March 7, 2012 #28 Share Posted March 7, 2012 What is amazing to me, is that this is the first time I've heard about this fiasco which took place in Nov. of 2010, (over a year ago), on , a cruise which probably was over the Thanksgiving holiday.. Surprised, we haven't read about it in our Fla Press & I've not even seen it reported here on Cruise Critic before this.. Only explanation, I can think of is HAL hushed it up & the Psgrs. did not know why they were summoned in the early morning hours to their Muster stations.. As one poster said, we probably don't have the full story.. Betty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kruizers Posted March 7, 2012 #29 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Yes -- his should have received a longer sentence. But the prisons are over flowing everywhere. Just hope ALL cruise lines keep him from sailing on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted March 7, 2012 #30 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Serendipity (Betty) It wasn't kept secret..... here's a link to one thread about it: http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1325972&highlight=passenger+releases+anchor+ryndam There might have been others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amuse Bouche Posted March 7, 2012 #31 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Underline mine. That was my point. The jails are stuffed full. He's going to a Federal Pen though, isn't he? Good point! I did a follow-up after reading that article, and I guess it was the FBI who arrested him. I don't think CA overcrowding would be a factor. Altho, I'm sure the overcrowding is everywhere...it's particularly bad here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtl513 Posted March 7, 2012 #32 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Surprised, we haven't read about it in our Fla Press & I've not even seen it reported here on Cruise Critic before this.. Here's the original thread, I think.http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1316027 And here's one that I started 6 months later when I read that he wanted the charges dropped. http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1450038 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainelycruising Posted March 7, 2012 #33 Share Posted March 7, 2012 As a criminal attorney, I say AMEN, Derek!!! But, Lawyerrose, if we didn't do this, you would be out of a job!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serendipity1499 Posted March 7, 2012 #34 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Serendipity (Betty) It wasn't kept secret..... here's a link to one thread about it: http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1325972&highlight=passenger+releases+anchor+ryndam There might have been others. Thanks Judy, I missed that..We were on the Noordam at the time & probably missed the news about it after that... Hope he really had anxious mements until his court date & has learned a lesson from it.. But IMO he got off easy! Betty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serendipity1499 Posted March 7, 2012 #35 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Here's the original thread, I think.http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1316027 And here's one that I started 6 months later when I read that he wanted the charges dropped. http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1450038 Thanks John, Can't believe I missed all those threads.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdchiefthom Posted March 7, 2012 #36 Share Posted March 7, 2012 It would have served him right if he dropped the anchor on his foot before it went overboard!:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon1 Posted March 8, 2012 #37 Share Posted March 8, 2012 He should be shot at sunrise for ruining everyone's vacation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted March 8, 2012 #38 Share Posted March 8, 2012 All the guests and crew dragged out of bed and forced to report to life boat stations in the middle of the night. Just to think how all those people could have been injured or worse. That's a horrible experience for them. Captain had to be beside himself with fury. Too bad he didn't get to testify at the trial.... that would have told the jerk 'what for'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASIWISH Posted March 8, 2012 #39 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I hope he gets the help he needs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelo7 Posted March 8, 2012 #40 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldsc Posted March 8, 2012 #41 Share Posted March 8, 2012 They should have tied him to an anchor and tossed the anchor overboard. Talk about a ridiculously light sentence. They should also give him an involuntary vasectomy so his obviously defective gene pool can not be passed on to the next generation. BTW - I was going to say involuntary castration but someone out there would probably say that it was a violation of his rights and also cruel and unusual punishment. DON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockfan2 Posted March 8, 2012 #42 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Looking at the video he doesn't appear to stagger or stumble. It's hard to imagine someone who drank that much alcohol would remain upright. Rockfan2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtl513 Posted March 8, 2012 #43 Share Posted March 8, 2012 2 months in a minimum security federal slam & 2 months home confinement & 3 years probation, that's more than enough for the incident. The fine should've been enough IMO. Martha Stewart got 5 months in prison and 5 months home confinement for lying (not the actual insider trading, just lying about it), a crime that endangered no one's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted March 8, 2012 #44 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Martha Stewart got 5 months in prison and 5 months home confinement for lying (not the actual insider trading, just lying about it), a crime that endangered no one's life. yes that was after a trial. This was a plea bargain. There is a penalty in Federal court for going to trial and losing. She was offered a no jail time plea and refused it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world~citizen Posted March 8, 2012 #45 Share Posted March 8, 2012 ...I hope HAL slaps a huge civil suit on him. ... We haven't heard anything about that have we? I would have thought there would be a dandy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyk47 Posted March 8, 2012 #46 Share Posted March 8, 2012 We haven't heard anything about that have we? I would have thought there would be a dandy one. They can sue for loses and damages and possibly some punitive amount but not much more than that. I don't know if I have ever seen a report of what damage was done or what it cost to fix it. It's actually a double edged sword for HAL as they'd have to go through a court case exposing potential lapses in security, etc., and that might not be good press. The larger Carnival corporation probably has enough negative press to deal with considering the Costa situation without drawing more attention to themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancal Posted March 8, 2012 #47 Share Posted March 8, 2012 The VERY last thing that HAL wants is more publicity about this. Right now, the public focus appears to be on the perp. and his sentence...was is too long, too short, etc. With lots of publicity, the focus will quickly turn to HAL and how this could happen. There will be at least two questions. This first, how could someone in an drunken state enter a restricted area and acomplish what he did-especially when the picture I saw seemed to indicate that no one was about? The second question will be about the effectiveness and quality of HAL's on board security How could this happen and how many other areas of a ship are at risk? These are two questions that HAL does not want raised in a public forum. Because if they are, they will lead to more embarassing questions for HAL and for the cruise industry. Given the recent Costa issues, the last thing that the cruise industry wants is more public scrutiny. The industry wants to focus us on the warm and fuzzy attributes. I am much more concerned about how it was able to occur on a ship than I am about the persom who was jailed for the offence. I actually think that he may have done HAL a favor.....if they take some learnings from this and apply it to their overall security measures and ship design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNUZULOOSE Posted March 8, 2012 #48 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I have a question, not sure how it works. I saw the video where he was. Are these area's of restriction monitored? Meaning through security, does security watch monitors that are live so they can see area's in case someone does wander into them? Sorry if I am not wordin this correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted March 8, 2012 #49 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I have a question, not sure how it works. I saw the video where he was. Are these area's of restriction monitored? Meaning through security, does security watch monitors that are live so they can see area's in case someone does wander into them? Sorry if I am not wordin this correctly. on most ships they have hundreds if not thousands of cameras...impossible to watch them all. They tape them and look back when something happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawyerrose Posted March 8, 2012 #50 Share Posted March 8, 2012 But, Lawyerrose, if we didn't do this, you would be out of a job!! I don't think I'm going to run out of clients any time soon! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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