Loyal2RCCL Posted November 21, 2012 #1 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Unreal! http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/uk-traveler-sues-cruise-liner-early-morning-distress-1C6929094?lite=obnetwork# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trekker954 Posted November 21, 2012 #2 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The cruiseline should look deeper, I bet the plantiff in this case has previously made many frivilous lawsuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerif Posted November 21, 2012 #3 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The cruiseline should look deeper, I bet the plantiff in this case has previously made many frivilous lawsuits. Exactly. I'm just shocked that any attorney would even take the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johneeo Posted November 21, 2012 #4 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Exactly. I'm just shocked that any attorney would even take the case. Ha Ha Ha :p That was funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grumpus Posted November 21, 2012 #5 Share Posted November 21, 2012 "Even if I lose this case, I believe I will have exposed a great wrong," Bookbinder told the paper. He lost: http://www.usatoday.com/story/cruiselog/2012/11/15/cruiser-lawsuit-wake-up-call/1706273/ Even funnier is the guy suing CCL over the harry chest contest. http://travel.usatoday.com/cruises/post/2012/08/cruise-ship-lawsuit-hairy-chest/833699/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvscruising2007 Posted November 21, 2012 #6 Share Posted November 21, 2012 And I thought only the United States allowed frivolous law suits.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BillOh Posted November 21, 2012 #7 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Exactly. I'm just shocked that any attorney would even take the case. I was thinking he probably was an Attorney. (now off to read the story ;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEXASMUNK Posted November 21, 2012 #8 Share Posted November 21, 2012 He who represents himself has a fool for a lawyer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaveitallbehind Posted November 21, 2012 #9 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I was thinking he probably was an Attorney. (now off to read the story ;)) ...at which point you will find he is a former politician. Any surprises there?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzeluver Posted November 21, 2012 #10 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Glad the judge dismissed that idiot's lawsuit, but should have made him pay all of the agent's and the cruise line's court costs. If you are going to waste the court's time with your nonsense, you should pay, and pay till it hurts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulsacubfan Posted November 21, 2012 #11 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Exactly. I'm just shocked that any attorney would even take the case. I would almost bet he didn't and filed it pro se!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulsacubfan Posted November 21, 2012 #12 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Glad the judge dismissed that idiot's lawsuit, but should have made him pay all of the agent's and the cruise line's court costs. If you are going to waste the court's time with your nonsense, you should pay, and pay till it hurts! Agree! Amazing....he paid 1/2 (and not all) of the travel agent's costs even though "there was no ice". And the judge said it was reasonable for him to sue the cruise line? Really??? On what planet would that be reasonable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinppu Posted November 21, 2012 #13 Share Posted November 21, 2012 "Even if I lose this case, I believe I will have exposed a great wrong," Bookbinder told the paper. He lost: http://www.usatoday.com/story/cruiselog/2012/11/15/cruiser-lawsuit-wake-up-call/1706273/ Even funnier is the guy suing CCL over the harry chest contest. http://travel.usatoday.com/cruises/post/2012/08/cruise-ship-lawsuit-hairy-chest/833699/1 Well these were the laugh of the day :D Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanwel Posted November 21, 2012 #14 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Can I sue - they made me get up and leave the ship - yes, my crusie was over, but I wanted to stay longer!!!!! HOw dare they make me leave!!!:D:D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinGerman Posted November 21, 2012 #15 Share Posted November 21, 2012 We have been to Israel, and yes the immigration procedure there is very strict and long. Unless the passengers are warned in advance in their tickets, I do believe it could be interpreted as arduous, and wrong to make an elderly person get up at 4 in the morning to be someplace at 5 in the morning. If the cruise lines are going to return to Israel, and if Israel really wants them, there should be a mutual negotiation to try to resolve this nuisance or inconvenience. The Israeli immigration police could board the ship at the previous port of call and conduct their interviews the day before reaching Israel. Some of you may remember how horrible it was, after 9/11, to have to get up at 5 in the morning and re-clear immigration in St. Thomas and then again in San Juan. That didn't last very long and there definitely are ways for the cruise line and the local government involved to negotiate a procedure that satisfies both their needs without inconveniencing the passenger. I don't think the lawsuit is necessary -- although we probably never would have heard of the incident but for the lawsuit. Kind regards, Gunther and Uta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnees Posted November 22, 2012 #16 Share Posted November 22, 2012 We have been to Israel, and yes the immigration procedure there is very strict and long. Unless the passengers are warned in advance in their tickets, I do believe it could be interpreted as arduous, and wrong to make an elderly person get up at 4 in the morning to be someplace at 5 in the morning. If the cruise lines are going to return to Israel, and if Israel really wants them, there should be a mutual negotiation to try to resolve this nuisance or inconvenience. The Israeli immigration police could board the ship at the previous port of call and conduct their interviews the day before reaching Israel. Some of you may remember how horrible it was, after 9/11, to have to get up at 5 in the morning and re-clear immigration in St. Thomas and then again in San Juan. That didn't last very long and there definitely are ways for the cruise line and the local government involved to negotiate a procedure that satisfies both their needs without inconveniencing the passenger. I don't think the lawsuit is necessary -- although we probably never would have heard of the incident but for the lawsuit. Kind regards, Gunther and Uta Spoken like the true lawyer you are Gunther. The Israelis do everything for a reason. Do you honestly think they are going to inconvienence themselves by putting immigration staff on a ship for 24 hours to satisfy the wants of a few? I think not. Not the Israelis I can assure you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinGerman Posted November 22, 2012 #17 Share Posted November 22, 2012 This is already done at several ports (immigration officers placed on a cruise ship in advance). The immigration officers I've seen like it because they get a vacation for a day. But you're absolutely right. The Israelis are very special in many ways. At the very least, I don't think it's unreasonable to warn passengers in their tickets that this may happen, so that it doesn't come as a surprise. Kind regards, Gunther and Uta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnees Posted November 22, 2012 #18 Share Posted November 22, 2012 This is already done at several ports (immigration officers placed on a cruise ship in advance). The immigration officers I've seen like it because they get a vacation for a day. But you're absolutely right. The Israelis are very special in many ways. At the very least, I don't think it's unreasonable to warn passengers in their tickets that this may happen, so that it doesn't come as a surprise. Kind regards, Gunther and Uta I will agree with you about that. We certainly were given ample information on our Azamara cruise going into Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klingoncruiser Posted November 22, 2012 #19 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I see the U. S. does not have the market cornered on whiners. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_B Posted November 22, 2012 #20 Share Posted November 22, 2012 He who represents himself has a fool for a lawyer!Actually it's, "He who represents himself in court has an idiot for a lawyer, and a fool for a client" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnutphl Posted November 22, 2012 #21 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Hmmm I saw unspeakable things on the Oasis :eek: I think I should sue for mental anguish :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruzseeka Posted November 22, 2012 #22 Share Posted November 22, 2012 This is already done at several ports (immigration officers placed on a cruise ship in advance). The immigration officers I've seen like it because they get a vacation for a day. But you're absolutely right. The Israelis are very special in many ways. At the very least, I don't think it's unreasonable to warn passengers in their tickets that this may happen, so that it doesn't come as a surprise. Kind regards, Gunther and Uta I will agree with you about that. We certainly were given ample information on our Azamara cruise going into Israel. Hello to all our US friends! :) You might like to read the thread from this forum which gives you our 'take' on all of this. http://cruiseforums.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1735109 You might also like to see the newspaper article referred to in the thread which explains the background a little more. http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/David-Bookbinder-loses-legal-claim-cruise-ship-s/story-17327039-detail/story.html As you will read Thomson and Thomas Cook did not fail to inform the passenger in advance of the early rise in Isreal for the simple reason they did not know about it either. It was a last minute change of itinerary in response to security issues in Egypt. They had a choice: miss out a port of call altogether or hastily arrange an alternative port of call so their passengers could enjoy visiting a different place and once the decision was made to go to Isreal they would be subject to any restrictions imposed by Israeli immigration. I don't suppose missing a port of call would have been met with approval either. Or would he have rather the Company had taken him to an area of political unrest? There's no pleasing some people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grez Posted November 22, 2012 #23 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Stranger danger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted November 22, 2012 #24 Share Posted November 22, 2012 We had to do the same in Israel in april this year and were not warned that it would happen until the night before, it was on my birthday and my partner had arranged breakfast in bed, the thomson rep on board who sold my partner the package was aware of the Israel thing but failed to tell us (she was hopeless anyway), Israel was a beautiful place to spend my 50th so I didnt mind lol! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruzseeka Posted November 22, 2012 #25 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Oh and I forgot to mention that on this itinerary the previous port of call would have been in either Egypt or Jordan - probably unlikely Isreali immigration officials would be boarding there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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