Kicked off Mariner in St. Thomas

[Folgy]

This argument could be used for all groups.....

Next thread about smoke one could say "Another good reason to leave the smoker at home"

Next thread about a drunk one could say "Another good reason to leave the drinkers at home"

next thread about....................

 

Next thing you know you will be the only one on the ship!

 

brilliant :rolleyes:

 

Next thread : Another good reason to leave the Chair Hogs at home

 

Next thread: Another good reason to leave the non-Tux wearing Pax at home

 

Next thread: Another good reason to leave seniors with walkers/canes/electric wheel chair at home

 

Next thread: Another good reason to leave the poopaloopas that fill the pool with feces at home

 

Next thread: Another good reason to leave pax that are self absorbed at the dining table at home

 

..........LMBO ........

 

This is an openended arguement. :rolleyes:

[MEGADAN]

I am very relieved to hear the RCCL enforces a zero tolerance policy for disruptive behavior. We were on Carnival Glory last August and a fight broke out in the kids club. I was appalled when I heard that security didn't do anything. Then when we were leaving Cozumel, a girl hit a guy with a bottle while on line to board the ship. Others came over and kicked the guy. Several people alerted security, but he didn't move. Minutes later the girl, along with a bloody hand walked right onto the ship. We later heard that the person she attacked was a Carnival employee and therefore Carnival would not do anything.

All of these situations made for an uneasy cruise. It didn't feel very safe.

[mimikens]

I am glad to see RCI give them the boot too. As much as I love cruising, I am tired of people who have no concern for others (whether it be adults, teenagers, children). Everyone has paid to have a good time and relax. Let's respect each other and other people's property.

 

As an aside, we went to Bouchart Gardens in Vancouver as an excursion. You pay about $20 to see the gardens. Would you believe, there were a few people picking flowers? As you entered the gardens, there were even announcements not to pick the flowers. When I heard the announcement, I thought..no kidding!

I was shocked by the audacity!

 

If I had been the parents, I would have asked the captain to lock the kids up in the brig. I would have enjoyed the rest of the cruise. But, that's just me!

[futaba951]

I would have asked the captain to lock the kids up in the brig.

 

I think everyone should have one in their home too. :D

[TNT]

I hate to sound so pessimistic, but the actions of many young people are on the downslide. I have taught middle school for 27 years and if I made a scatterplot of behavior from the 70's until now it would have a definite negative correlation. It's not just little things, mischevious things, it's big time vandalism, etc. They have no respect for other peoples property. We have many wonderful young people. I think the majority of them are well behaved and have manners that they use. It's just that the children with bad behavior has increased and their parents take up for them- no matter what- which makes them worse.

[PhoenixCruiser]

However this could very well be RCI's fault since they don't even follow their own rules which is very frustrating :mad: The "posted" age for their speciality restaurants is 16, however how many of us have seen kids in there? They post signs that no kids are allowed in the hot tubs or in the "adult" pool area??...how many of us have seen kids in those areas?

 

Yes, I agree the PARENTS (or lack of) are to blame but RCI isn't doing their job either :mad:

 

And for the parents of the teens who ran up and down the 10th floor, port side hallway WAY after midnight on the June 26th cruise on the Navigator I'd really like to know where you were and why you were not watching your kids :mad:

 

Thanks, I feel much better now ;)

 

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[hdawson]

It seems that alot of parents today are afraid to parent. They would rather be best buds.

[Unassuming-Grace]

I have yet to encounter rude and unruly children and/or teens on a cruise. Perhaps because I vacation in late September, but nonetheless, I have been lucky. I have, however, encountered many cane-brandishing elderly and have found them to be the source of many incidents.

 

One poster said that they would ground the children for a month. A MONTH?! I hardly believe that a month justifies the embarrassment, cost, and stress of getting kicked off of a cruise ship. Getting a "D" on a report card would be worthy of a month's grounding. I would recommend 8-9 months grounding in addition to having them pay off the entire cost of the cruise (and perhaps interest). People need to give their children a taste of the real world.

 

But then again, that's just me. I liked the plank idea. Whatever happened to the good ole days.

[corina27]

Great job RCI!

Maybe it will encourage the childrens parents to be...Parents

Thats going to be a costly lesson:)

[cruise182]

I hate to sound so pessimistic, but the actions of many young people are on the downslide. .

 

You know what is scary? Someone once posted on CC "the days we are living in will one day be The Good Old Days"~a CC member

[Nliedel]

Every generation feels the generation before it or their generation are more well behaved etc. Honestly the kids today are probably no worse than they were when I was a kid but we think they are because they talk more about their crummy behavior. I also think parents are to blame more often than we think. It seems like every child's behavior is excused so often. My kids friends cannot believe they have responsibilities and chores around here. Those things consist of unloading the dishwasher, not exactly slave labor but none of my kids friends have to do that. You can imagine what an uphill battle that is for me when no one else does it.

 

I *try* to be an involved parent. A couple weeks ago the bus driver made me come out of the house to talk to her (I have an agreement with the school that I watch the older kids get off the bus from inside the house rather than bringing the preemie out in the weather, which can be danergous). She looked at me with a definate "attitude" and said: "Steven is acting up on the bus".. OK I asked her what exactly he was doing. I cannot punish for "acting up". I can and will punish for specific offenses and Steven needs specifics. She rolled her eyes at me and said "He is acting up badly"... OK again I need to know exactly what is going on. She rolled her eyes again, sighed loudly and swore under her breath and said, very defensivly, "He is standing up and he hit another kid". Well now that is something I can get my teeth into. I thanked her for telling me, told her to let me know if it continued then went in to have a "Chat" with my second oldest who is still not getting dessert because of that behavior. If he was yelling I would not have been so harsh but his actions endangered himself and others. In his defense the "hitting" was him tapping another child on the shoulder to get his attention because Steven wanted to talk, and not malicious but Steven is a tall and strong kid and I bet it did hurt.

 

The bus driver is probably so used to parents not listening or caring that she is always defensive. It's a shame because I really need information before I can do something to fix it.

[GLB]

You show me a bad child and I will show you a bad parent

The problem is not that the parents take up for the child and defend their behavior................ they never taught or expected the proper behavior in the first place.

[Iamthesea]

To my surprise the conduct rules and consequences were right on the front page of the Welcome Compass.

No surprise. The rules have been on the front or inside cover of the compass everytime I have cruised with RCCL.

 

The surprise (or maybe not so surprising)comes that the passengers are not bothering to read the compass. That's one of the first things I do when we get to our stateroom.

 

Nliedel - I noticed you are training for a marathon. Good for you! ;) We have a young friend who trained to run in a marathon and she had no previous running experience. Went out to San Diego and ran for charity.

Just curious what you do with the "preemie" when you are out running, etc.

[Babs66]

You show me a bad child and I will show you a bad parent

The problem is not that the parents take up for the child and defend their behavior................ they never taught or expected the proper behavior in the first place.

 

Sometimes I don't think it is all the parent's fault but today's society,

 

You can and will be arrested if....

 

You yell at your child in public, child abuse

Spank (not hit) your child's bottom if they are acting up in public

Show any kind of anger toward your child in public

 

So if you are not allowed to discipline your child while they are doing the bad behavior it is hard to teach them.

 

 

I have a 5 yr old DD and she does act up in public (what child doesnt), the worse I can do is leave the store or the area, and I have been told "if she's like that now imagine what she will be like when she get's older"

 

I remember when I was younger all my dad had to do was reach for the belt or give us a look and we became angels.

[heartofamerica]

For a month???? Mine would be grounded until they worked and paid off the cost of having us thrown off!

 

Reread my reply and you'll find the words "at least" in there.

[cruisin from florida]

Babs,

There are possible consequences beyond removing the child. If this is a frequent occurrance (acting up in public) I'd sit down with the child in a calm moment, and let her know what is and isn't acceptable in public. If the behavior disturbs others, of course she should be removed immediately. But that is not the consequence for her. She could know, for example, that if she has to be removed from a public place based on her behavior, she will lose privileges (tv, visiting friends, whatever) for a specified period of time. You could give her one reminder of that consequence when the behavior starts, and then, if it continues, off you go.

I also strongly believe that some expectations are inappropriate for young children. I have seen moms drag their kids through the mall for hours. Of course there is going to be a melt-down, and it's because the parent has created the situation.

I appreciate that you are trying to raise your daughter to behave. That comment you mentioned is a real warning sign, however. I'm a high school teacher, and I deal daily with the kids whose parents got that comment 10 years ago and didn't do anything differently. It isn't pretty.

 

Good luck to you and your daughter!! And happy cruising.

[lrovnan]

You show me a bad child and I will show you a bad parent

The problem is not that the parents take up for the child and defend their behavior................ they never taught or expected the proper behavior in the first place.

 

 

I'm guessing your not a parent GLB. I have a two year old who is not fun to bring out in public. Every person that witnesses one of her outbursts or temper tantrums just looks at me like I've got no control over my kid. I've tried every punishment imaginable and nothing works. But then I realized that the problem is she's two. I just have to stick to my guns with the punishments and one day it will click.

[justaknucklehead]

And don't reward bad behavior with a cruise.

[deaconess]

I am glad to see that the offenders are being held responsible...I agree that kid's behavior is getting worse, as a teacher I have also noticed an increasing percentage of misbehavior. I do think that as a society, kids have gotten worse. I know that in my 3rd grade growing up, a student wouldn't ever have told the teacher to "F-off"! The parents response to that incident was "yeah, he says that at home to us too!" I think poor parenting is definately a culprit...often the teacher is expected to be the parent and when the child misbehaves they blame the school system for not teaching them better!

 

I once went to a "Focus on the Family" seminar and the speaker there said something that has stuck with me....

 

"It is the responsibility of parents to parent....it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes a village to raise a village idiot!"

[Gabrielle R.]

My husband and I were on Splendour last Christmas. A bunch of rowdy drunk teens came into the adults only pool. Security came in and escorted them out. I was happy to see that they were brought ot their parents. That made both my husband and I pleased with RCCL. Why let a few people ruin a cruise for everyone else. Good Job Royal and Captain Johnny!

[PartyHearty]

You should not have to "read the rules". Common sense (remember that) should tell you that teenagers should not be running around at 2 am. Yet I have been on cruises with teens aboard and the worst thing that happens is that they try to sneak into the disco after it switches over to adults only. And this IS at 2 AM. As long as a teen is behaving themself I have no problem with them staying up all night. A teen that is bold enough to deface private property on a ship has had that problem long before the ship set sail. Unless a teen just gets roped in with the wrong crowd, which can happen.

[kenandlaura06]

It seems that alot of parents today are afraid to parent. They would rather be best buds.

 

Well said. As a high school teacher, I can speak to this being a very common and very alarming phenomenon.

[goboy]

Good-Good-Good!! I am so glad RCI had the nerve to do this. Kids should be able to go on a nice cruise with their parents- but- kids have to know how to behave in a public place- and that training starts at about 2 years old. I assure you these kids do as they please at home, have always been out of control, and their parents are not going to do any thing about it, and they know it. And then the time comes that the parents are physically afraid of them. So, good! I am so glad the Capt. of the Mariner ran this gang off. All of them. Now you know why people try to figure out when not so many kids will be on board. I know, I know, that your little darlings wouldn't do that, but who wants to take a $ 3000.00 chance? We need one more trip for Diamond status- the Mariner is sounding better all the time!

 

goboy

[Honey's Gal]

IMHO parents do not earned the respect they deserve from their children. Parents must lay down the rules and guildlines and stick to them. Children should be allowed to make their decisons based on those rules and guildlines and know that there will be consequences if they do not. It is very difficult to be consistent, as too many parents are way too busy with their own lives (JMHO).

 

Yes, when I was a child I only need the "look" from my Dad to know I was crossing the line. Was I afraid of him, no, I had total respect for him and I did not want him to be angry because of my actions.

 

My own daughter, when she was a child, would have preferred me to spank her than to have me tell her how disappointed I was in her actions. The spanking was over with quickly, the hurt of the disappointment lasted awhile.

 

Parents need to love their children and guide them and be consistent. When they are adults they will become your best friends....I know, I have one.

[heartofamerica]

When they are adults they will become your best friends....I know' date=' I have one.[/quote']

 

Bingo...when a kids a kid, you have to be a parent, not the "best friend". Parents have to say "No" a lot. The kid may not like hearing it, but they do learn later on in life that "No" usually means "I love and care about you". And when they are out on their own, you can become more of a friend than a parent.

 

When I was a teenager, I wanted a car. My dad told me "Fine - you want one, you got one...and the payments, insurance, gas, tires and everything else that comes with it - when do you start your new job?". And I got a car...MY car... that I worked for and paid for. It taught me the value of property.

 

Today, I see kids driving cars to their high school that I STILL can only dream of owning (high end Beemers, Porsches, brand new SUV's) that were just GIVEN to them by their parents. They only learn that if they ask enough, mom and pop will give them whatever they want. And they proceed to ABUSE those cars - and in many cases, use those cars to vandalize other peoples property (yard "farming" - spinning out across a neighbors lawn). They think nothing of breaking bottles in parking lots, defacing buildings, or doing whatever else they want because they know that mom and dad won't hold them accountable for anything.

 

I think that too many kids are given too much too soon because the parents are too tired or busy to spend any real time with them...just give them something to get them out of their hair. Heaven knows that there are times I'd just like to kick back and do nothing on a weekend, but I MAKE the time to watch her soccer game or listen to her play the piano. Bottom line, kids are hard work, but the rewards of that hard work are repaid many times over. If the parent slacks off in the child raising department, it shows up in the kids pretty quickly.

 

So it's good that the Captain on this ship took the opportunity to introduce the concept of "consequences" to this family. Hopefully, it was a lesson learned.