Kicked off Mariner in St. Thomas

[hdawson]

Oh that "Johnny" quote is such a memory. Yes, Johnny was my name, and yes, one more time and out we went and probably home. Soooooo many years ago. Brings back some long-ago memories. Mostly good even if I didn't think so at the time.

[mbisson]

I would strongly disagree. !

 

Well, I promissed one of mine a swat on the butt if he acted up in public again (time outs weren't working). He did, I did, and a couple days later I was being investigated..But he didn't act up in public again.

 

BTW-during the investigation, I was told I did the right thing

 

-Monte

[Wennfred]

My kid would be grounded for a month

 

Youre too nice, My kids wouldnt have an ASS after I finished with them, and as far as a month, try a year.

[LDR]

kenandlaura06-I totally agree that parents should stick to the rules and

consequences they set. How else are kids going to learn that the rules

DO APPLY to them if the parents can't follow their own! I'm a cheerleading

coach for my school,and there's a couple that found themselves benched

this past year for thinking the rules didn't apply to them.

As far as a smack on the rear being considered child abuse, ridiculous! You're not torturing or maiming(SP?) them for life. Sometimes there's just no other

way to get through to kids. Talking and timeouts aren't always the answer.

I hope I don't offend anyone by talking about smacking on the rear, child abuse is a horrible thing and I have also seen that at school.

[justaknucklehead]

Abuse has nothing whatsoever to do with discipline. Any policeman or child care worker will tell you that. Your kids have made to afraid to discipline them. My daughter once told me she would call CYF because I made her clean her room. I didn't stop laughing for about two years. I made the call for her and gave her the phone. She looked like an idiot. I loved every minute of it.

[threeofus]

That family has problems that go way beyond being asked to leave a cruise ship...it's takes a long time to raise kids like that. It doesn't happen overnight. The captain did the right thing - IMHO - why should everyone on the ship have to deal with kids who act out.

[mbisson]

I hope I don't offend anyone by talking about smacking on the rear, child abuse is a horrible thing and I have also seen that at school.

 

I figure god put all that padding there for a reason ;) An open hand placed on a bottom will hurt nothing but ego & pride.

 

jmo

 

-Monte

[tumeroll]

I hope it was enough of a financial hit that the family revisits their children's discipline. My kid would be grounded for a month at least if her behaviour got me tossed off a ship. I would hope that the kids involved in this faced at least SOME consequence and didn't just get home to tell their friends how "cool" it was to be thrown off a cruise ship.

 

One month!! How about the rest of the year plus repayment of the cost of the cruise.

[heartofamerica]

One month!! How about the rest of the year plus repayment of the cost of the cruise.

 

Read my post again...the words "at least" are in there... Not really an issue for me though as my kid appreciates cruising and wouldn't do anything to jeopardize her chances of going on another one.

[PhoenixCruiser]

Wasn't that the cruise where a group of kids were out of control, damaging the ship and throwing things overboard? I believe they had that group on camera.

 

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[Soxfan05]

If I hadn't witnessed what I did today, I probably wouldn't bother to post but I had to share. I took my kids to McDonalds today to celebrate the end of the school year. The McDonalds in our town is done up in retro style. The owner keeps it impeccable and it's a fun spot with a great old Wurlitzer for the kids to enjoy. It was my son's last day of school and they had a 1/2 day. Apparently, our local middle school had been dismissed earlier. We walked into a sea of ill mannered PIGS. They were throwing food screaming, running- it was horrific. The employees said it happens every time the MS lets out early. When the kids left, most had left their wrappers and 1/2 eaten meals on the table and never bothered to clean up after themselves. The floor was littered with trash and food. I saw a girl step on some food that she and her friends had thrown at each other and then scrape her foot on the seat of a chair to remove it. After we were seated, I told my boys that when they were old enough to go to McDonald's on their own, I was going to take them up there and introduce them personally to all the employees. I would ask them to inform me if they ever witnessed they or their friends behaving in that manner and if so, I would be informed of it and there would be serious consequences. I wish I had come into the scene earlier because at that point, I would have intervened. Unfortunately, I only caught the end of the action but it was enough to tell me that these kids were the rudest group of young people I had ever encountered.

[holomuku]

It is so difficult to understand where some people get their attitudes. Several years ago my husband and I were in a large mall and I had stopped to look at something in a store and he chose (as always) to find a bench in the open area to sit on and wait for me (a shopper this man is NOT). While sitting there he saw a four or five year old little girl looking very lost and with no adult with her. He asked her where her parents were, who she was with, and all she could do was shake her head. He went to the security phone and called security as he was concerned about her welfare. Security did show up, they started talking to the little girl and then her mother appeared and YELLED at my husband for "interfering with her family." She acted like he was the one who had done something wrong and that perhaps he had an "unusual interest" in little girls (which REALLY upset him). Like someone that is interested in harming children is going to call SECURITY??? Apparently she was in a store looking at something and felt it was "okay" for her little girl to be wandering the mall (go figure!).

 

we talked about it a long time and decided if the same situation were to happen- it was the right decision and he (or I) would do the same thing again. Better to have a (IMHO) lacking parent yell at one than have a young child abducted by who knows what. I think the part about his intent being less than honorable bothered him the most- but then as my mother used to say- "consider the source."

[mbisson]

It is so difficult to understand where some people get their attitudes.

 

we talked about it a long time and decided if the same situation were to happen- it was the right decision and he (or I) would do the same thing again. Better to have a (IMHO) lacking parent yell at one than have a young child abducted by who knows what. I think the part about his intent being less than honorable bothered him the most- but then as my mother used to say- "consider the source."

 

Good job holomuku. BTW-I am pleased to see someone from La Center posting. 30+ years ago I was a Kalama Chinook. Back then LC was a B school & we were A. Now you're AA and we're still A. What's up with that?

 

;)

 

-Monte

[tribefan]

Last year when we were on the Explorer, I had just gotten on one of the elevators and there were a few young men (11-12 yrs). You could see that they had pushed all of the buttons (it was earlier in the morning and not many people were out and about yet). I didn't say anything as we stopped at every floor, but the look on their face was priceless when an officer happen to get on at one of the floors and I make the comment, sure was nice of these young men to check at every floor to see if anyone needed ride wasn't it? The officer said it sure was, infact when I see them with their parents the next time, I'm going to comment to them that exact same thing. Never did see them doing it the rest of the cruise! :D

[Nliedel]

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Nliedel - I noticed you are training for a marathon. Good for you! ;) We have a young friend who trained to run in a marathon and she had no previous running experience. Went out to San Diego and ran for charity.

Just curious what you do with the "preemie" when you are out running' date=' etc.[/quote]

 

Preemies. I have had two in two years. Since we now know what causes pregnancy there will be no more :)

 

I run in the morning and in the evening when my husband gets home. I could not traing for yang without his wonderful support. He not only tolerates my running for long hours (and I am slow so it is very long) but he is supporting me entering a triathlon early in July and has no problem when I swim twice a week and bike 3 times a week. He says I am nicer when I am exercising. It's hard being in the house all day with kids. I love them and would do anything for them but that time to myself is precious and keeps me sane.

[alexkrn46]

I am glad to see that RCCL put it's vacation policy to in action. I have been on cruises where the captain has gone over the policy and set a 1am curfew for teenagers. As far as my kids go they would never cruise with us again!

[futaba951]

At what point in ones life, from childhood to adulthood, does spanking move from being abuse to being a kinky sexual experience? :rolleyes:

[cruise182]

does spanking move from being abuse to being a kinky sexual experience? :rolleyes:

 

Don't know......but I do know that something is only kinky the first time!!;)

[Hal from Ohio]

to Captain Johnny for "taking care of business". During our first cruise on the Explorer, we learned that a family's vacation ended on day two as a result of drug use by one of their children. They were escorted off the ship in San Juan to find their own way home. How would you tell grandpa and grandma??

 

Bring back the oak yardsticks!! And, let's offer some help to the screaming kids on "Nanny 911" ..... turn off the camera ... now hand me a roll of duck tape !!

[PVDCruiser]

I guess I entered this thread a little "late." lol :)

 

Kids really need to take the rules seriously. The first night in the Living Room one of the head security officers gave all of us a chat about what was expected of us. Luckily nothing like this happenend on my cruise.

 

I don't know the entire situation, so I'm not going to comment on it yet.

[SherriZ366]

We were on the Mariner the week after the family was escorted off (6/5) and I did not notice any really bad behavior. I guess the combination of putting the rules in the front of the Compass and Captain Johnny is working. He is one of RCCL's best captains. We have sailed with him twice. A reall asset to the company and I can see him enforcing the rules. Some of the things that these out of control kids could do could endanger the ship like setting fires (most famous case is when the roller-skating track on the Explorer was set on fire by teens. This action was picked up by the security cameras and the families were escorted off the ship in the next port.) The rest of us who are paying good money for a vacation do not need it ruined by unruly, undisciplined kids.

 

I think Captain Johnny got on Mariner about a month before we sailed. Captains stay on for 3 months. You might want to do a search of this board to see when he got on and try to sail with him. He is very personable and his daily broadcasts are very cool and humorous (he always ends with a quote from his Chinese friend). He was also good about sailing around Hurricane Arlene so we did not have very much motion and were soon back in the sunshine on our cruise.

[Iamthesea]

I would have intervened. Unfortunately, I only caught the end of the action but it was enough to tell me that these kids were the rudest group of young people I had ever encountered.

I have gotten stern enough in my old age that had I seen this activity, I would have blocked the door and told the kids they forgot to pick up their trash. I've done it before when someone threw a candy wrapper on the floor at the mall. I said "excuse me,...you dropped something." My children were horrified, but the young man did turn around and pick up his thrash.

[holomuku]

Monte-

 

couldn't tell you why we're AA and you're A- unless it's because we're just better! (kidding of course)

 

the growth here has been so incredible that might have something to do with it- and the end does not seem to be in sight. (unfortunately in my opinion).

[PVDCruiser]

We were on the Mariner the week after the family was escorted off (6/5) and I did not notice any really bad behavior. I guess the combination of putting the rules in the front of the Compass and Captain Johnny is working. He is one of RCCL's best captains. We have sailed with him twice. A reall asset to the company and I can see him enforcing the rules. Some of the things that these out of control kids could do could endanger the ship like setting fires (most famous case is when the roller-skating track on the Explorer was set on fire by teens. This action was picked up by the security cameras and the families were escorted off the ship in the next port.) The rest of us who are paying good money for a vacation do not need it ruined by unruly, undisciplined kids.

 

I think Captain Johnny got on Mariner about a month before we sailed. Captains stay on for 3 months. You might want to do a search of this board to see when he got on and try to sail with him. He is very personable and his daily broadcasts are very cool and humorous (he always ends with a quote from his Chinese friend). He was also good about sailing around Hurricane Arlene so we did not have very much motion and were soon back in the sunshine on our cruise.

 

I totally agree - he was great on the Mariner! We hope to have him again next year.

[stargate fan]

I ask you...How do you know Carnival will never do this? How do you know Carnival has not done this? This is the first time I've read about Royal Caribbean removing a family. Why are other family-oriented cruiselines not mentioned? What, there are no issues on Disney or Princess?

We sailed on Paradise back in 2000. She was a non-smoking ship and passengers signed a contract agreeing to abide by the rules - no smoking material of any kind, no matches or cigarette lighters. Well, at one port, there was a woman crying on the phone to a relative because her party was being removed due to breach of contract.

Carnival followed through and the party was gone.

We have been on three cruises. I'm sure lots of people have been on many more. We always go during school vacation. In these three cruises, I have never seen unruly children. I have encountered rude adults pushing their way onto the elevator before I can get off or shoving me in the buffet lines.

I think it is very dangerous, unfair, and discourteous to make generalizations about other cruise lines and their policies without knowing exactly what happens on every single sailing.

There...I said it.

 

Carnival is also one that needs to adopt something like this but they never will due to being afraid that they will lose a customer or two. They would allow kids to raise hell and tear up a ship rather than put the families off at the next port of call.

 

I guess Captain Johnny on the Mariner doesn't play around. Back in March he put two or three families off the same week for breaking the code of conduct. Again good for him.