e2011 Posted December 17, 2013 Author #101 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Miniature horses are not ponies. let's see if this works - here's a picture from Wikipedia of a service miniature horse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_horse Where did this horse sit during the flight? Edited December 17, 2013 by e2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapman_2004 Posted December 17, 2013 #102 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Great thread, have learned a lot! I work with public transit, and see lots of obvious abuse of ADA laws of people bringing dogs on buses and trains. Sometimes it's not obvious. Would people that legally need service dogs object to transit security asking people for proof? This would be to get rid of those committing fraud. I would think those that need service dogs would appreciate the weeding out of the bad apples, or am I missing something? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 17, 2013 #103 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Great thread, have learned a lot!I work with public transit, and see lots of obvious abuse of ADA laws of people bringing dogs on buses and trains. Sometimes it's not obvious. Would people that legally need service dogs object to transit security asking people for proof? This would be to get rid of those committing fraud. I would think those that need service dogs would appreciate the weeding out of the bad apples, or am I missing something? Thanks! The ADA law specifically states that you or any other authority may not ask what the person's disability is......however, you may ask what does this do for you or what is the dogs specific task. I would love if those in authority were given the right to ask more questions, thereby weeding out the culprits who buy their vests, etc. online. Canine Companions for Independence and their CEO Cory Hudson are working with the Federal Gov. to hopefully, get all Service Dog paraphenalia, for purchase, off the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 17, 2013 #104 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Where did this horse sit during the flight? The same place my 90lb Lab sits, on the floor. Horses have the ability to sleep while standing and have difficulty breathing when they lay proned so they probably use bulkhead or take whichever seat is available, with an adjoining seat. My friend with a 100lb Service Dog does not fly because she finds it too difficult for her dog. Choices, we have choices just like the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapman_2004 Posted December 17, 2013 #105 Share Posted December 17, 2013 The ADA law specifically states that you or any other authority may not ask what the person's disability is......however, you may ask what does this do for you or what is the dogs specific task. I would love if those in authority were given the right to ask more questions, thereby weeding out the culprits who buy their vests, etc. online. Canine Companions for Independence and their CEO Cory Hudson are working with the Federal Gov. to hopefully, get all Service Dog paraphenalia, for purchase, off the internet. A fellow coworker and I discuss this a lot, know the laws, etc. I wish they'd change the law to allow weeding out the frauds. Even if the law isn't changed, how would the law be applied if people starting asking for proof? Fraudulent users can't sue, they have no grounds. Those needing the law wouldn't sue, they'd be happy to weed out abusers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 17, 2013 #106 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) A fellow coworker and I discuss this a lot, know the laws, etc. I wish they'd change the law to allow weeding out the frauds. Even if the law isn't changed, how would the law be applied if people starting asking for proof? Fraudulent users can't sue, they have no grounds. Those needing the law wouldn't sue, they'd be happy to weed out abusers. It's not always about the "law suit" but more about the "convenience" factor. Anybody who tries to sneak in their pet doesn't want to leave it at home, or in the car. I don't blame them but they can't and should not do it. If I see someone abusing the system with "FiFi" on their lap and them feeding it off the table, in a restaurant. You better believe that I will be the first one to call them "out!" If you know the law, you know that the Service Dog is not allowed on the table or allowed to eat off the dishes or silverware in any public venue; this includes but is not limited to cruises. I remind them that they are breaking the law and could get the establishments license revoked and I will call the police [and, I have!] I've been witness to a woman who I insisted be escorted out the door with her Pomeranian in hand. The dog was growling, barking and eating in the restaurant and I had had enough! A trained Service Dog will not bark, growl or act in any negative way in public. These moron's [and, I use the term loosely] better hope that they don't run into me! "You" the general public should also not be afraid to "call them out" if you spot them in the market or in a restaurant and If their dog is acting inappropriately you have the right to question them and to ask the manager to have them removed! I don't like to be mean to the animals [the four-legged one's], I love animals. But, when the humans attached to them drag them everywhere with them.......they better make sure that they're [the four-legged one's] are acting very good [especially, if I'm around!] Edited December 17, 2013 by wizard-of-roz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac04 Posted December 17, 2013 #107 Share Posted December 17, 2013 This is a great thread! I appreciate all the information provided by Roz! I am also glad that you mentioned it is okay to call someone out that is breaking the law. I have always taught my children to never approach a service dog because they are working. One day at the market, a lady had her dog in the cart and my kids hardly even looked at it. I asked my daughter to get something further down the aisle and it put her right next to the dog and the dog growled and snipped at her. I had the manager all over her in a flash! I knew if it were a real service dog she would not have been so aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 17, 2013 #108 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) This is a great thread! I appreciate all the information provided by Roz! I am also glad that you mentioned it is okay to call someone out that is breaking the law. I have always taught my children to never approach a service dog because they are working. One day at the market, a lady had her dog in the cart and my kids hardly even looked at it. I asked my daughter to get something further down the aisle and it put her right next to the dog and the dog growled and snipped at her. I had the manager all over her in a flash! I knew if it were a real service dog she would not have been so aggressive. This infuriates me. My Service Dog, Horton, is 90lbs of pure muscle. He's huge next to a small child. I was once in an elevator where a little girl was standing next to him and she was inching herself closer and closer to Horton. Can you imagine if Horton were not properly trained! He could have taken the face off that small child. He is so well trained that all he did was lower his head and stare at the floor. It was a remarkable sight and a true testament to the control that this dog exhibited. Let's not talk about the mother who was with this little girl and allowed her to get so close to a strange dog [service Dog or not!] The entire elevator, filled with people, remarked at how well behaved, controlled and gentle my giant was next to this little girl! I've been on cruise ships where children have run up to Horton and thrown their arms around his neck before I or their parents could stop them. It's quite a site to see!!!! Worth every picture that is always taken of the scene. Horton's in more strange family albums, all over the world! Edited December 17, 2013 by wizard-of-roz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex techie Posted December 17, 2013 #109 Share Posted December 17, 2013 This infuriates me. My Service Dog, Horton, is 90lbs of pure muscle. He's huge next to a small child. I was once in an elevator where a little girl was standing next to him and she was inching herself closer and closer to Horton. Can you imagine if Horton were not properly trained! He could have taken the face off that small child. He is so well trained that all he did was lower his head and stare at the floor. It was a remarkable sight and a true testament to the control that this dog exhibited. Let's not talk about the mother who was with this little girl and allowed her to get so close to a strange dog [service Dog or not!] The entire elevator, filled with people, remarked at how well behaved, controlled and gentle my giant was next to this little girl! I've been on cruise ships where children have run up to Horton and thrown their arms around his neck before I or their parents could stop them. It's quite a site to see!!!! Worth every picture that is always taken of the scene. Horton's in more strange family albums, all over the world! He does sound like quite the gentle well trained giant doggie. I hope he provides many more years of assistance and happiness to your life. ex techie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 17, 2013 #110 Share Posted December 17, 2013 He does sound like quite the gentle well trained giant doggie.I hope he provides many more years of assistance and happiness to your life. ex techie He's quite the handsome, well behaved boy, he makes me proud on a daily basis! Thank you for your kind, good wishes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex techie Posted December 17, 2013 #111 Share Posted December 17, 2013 :) But come on! WE all need to see him! Post a picture! ex techie (doggie lover!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 18, 2013 #112 Share Posted December 18, 2013 :) But come on! WE all need to see him! Post a picture! ex techie (doggie lover!) I've sent you some pictures of Horton via email. If you would be so kind to post them for me.......I have no ability to post on CC. I'm picture challenged and get it wrong every time! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex techie Posted December 18, 2013 #113 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Now seriously...... Should anybody with a disability be able to own a doggie a cute as this and not expect everyone to want to hug him?!? (TOUNGE IS FIRMLY IN MY CHEEK GUYS!) ex techie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 18, 2013 #114 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Now seriously......Should anybody with a disability be able to own a doggie a cute as this and not expect everyone to want to hug him?!? (TOUNGE IS FIRMLY IN MY CHEEK GUYS!) ex techie Thank you so much. Isn't he handsome! I'm so proud of him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex techie Posted December 18, 2013 #115 Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) He is certainly a handsom fella! Beautiful big brown eyes! Feel free to send me any more pictures you have and I will post them. ex techie Edited December 18, 2013 by Ex techie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 18, 2013 #116 Share Posted December 18, 2013 He is certainly a handsom fella! Feel free to send me any more pictures you have and I will post them. ex techie I know he looks a bit like "Marmaduke" but he's my Marmaduke and I just adore the big lug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex techie Posted December 18, 2013 #117 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I know he looks a bit like "Marmaduke" but he's my Marmaduke and I just adore the big lug! I have no idea what you mean?! :p He is a beautiful boy! ex techie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex techie Posted December 18, 2013 #118 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Awwww! Look but dont touch without the owners consent! ex techie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinPrincessMermaids Posted December 18, 2013 #119 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I would love to hug him. I also love to see happy working dogs. They love their jobs. Well done, handsome! Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 18, 2013 #120 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I have no idea what you mean?! :p He is a beautiful boy! ex techie Thank you. I do so agree!!!!! He is a love and is such a "cuddle-bug!" He has absolutely no idea how big he is! He's an amazing working partner! And, thank you so much for posting the pictures for me. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2011 Posted December 18, 2013 Author #121 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Horton is handsome but can he hear a who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisneyKidsDad Posted December 18, 2013 #122 Share Posted December 18, 2013 This is my daughters Skilled Companion dog, Orson. He likes going to baseball games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 18, 2013 #123 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Horton is handsome but can he hear a who? Horton Hears a Who and so much more!!!!!! CCI, I believe, holds the record for dog naming! Some of the dogs names are so funny! They usually, unless a dog is being named for someone very specific, name their litters according to the alphabet. Horton has a brother named Hamlet and sister named Hortense [just to name two of the 11 litter mates.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard-of-roz Posted December 18, 2013 #124 Share Posted December 18, 2013 This is my daughters Skilled Companion dog, Orson. He likes going to baseball games! This is such a cute picture. We can have so much fun with our dogs! I see another tail in front of Orson's right paw,......who did that belong to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisneyKidsDad Posted December 18, 2013 #125 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Here's the rest of the tail Roz. It belongs to Ocho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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