S&M in Pgh Posted November 11, 2013 #1 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I mean this for ANY and ALL groups. Do you think Princess has an obligation to inform you when a group has booked more than 10% of the total cabins on your cruise? I chose 10% as I think that is the level at which a group can begin to overwhelm or totally monopolize one area of the ship (a theater, the Sanctuary, the new Retreat area...) Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nan_Sea Posted November 11, 2013 #2 Share Posted November 11, 2013 We were on a HAL cruise once that was booked by some of us as a Dixieland cruise. People who were not part of that group were not allowed to attend the concerts,or even enter the rooms where the Dixieland music was being played for dancing. There were a lot of unhappy passengers and I don't blame them. So yes, a special event like that should be made known to other passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runner15km Posted November 11, 2013 #3 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Yes, and I understand why they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nan_Sea Posted November 11, 2013 #4 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spingal Posted November 11, 2013 #5 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz54 Posted November 11, 2013 #6 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I would like to be informed about large groups, but 10% of cabins would not likely have that much of an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spingal Posted November 11, 2013 #7 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I mean this for ANY and ALL groups. Do you think Princess has an obligation to inform you when a group has booked more than 10% of the total cabins on your cruise? I chose 10% as I think that is the level at which a group can begin to overwhelm or totally monopolize one area of the ship (a theater, the Sanctuary, the new Retreat area...) Mike Mike, I knew about this group and it was one of the reasons I chose to cancel. They took over the adult pool????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdrcrash Posted November 11, 2013 #8 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Will never cruise with a large group again, they had the adult pool and one dining room tied up. Sent from my SM-T210R using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul929207 Posted November 11, 2013 #9 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Often, Cruise Critic Roll Calls make up 10% or more of the ship. Should others be warned of us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrysalis Posted November 11, 2013 #10 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Often, Cruise Critic Roll Calls make up 10% or more of the ship. Should others be warned of us? Now that is funny......good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooTOO Posted November 11, 2013 #11 Share Posted November 11, 2013 often, cruise critic roll calls make up 10% or more of the ship. Should others be warned of us? yes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shogun Posted November 11, 2013 #12 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Hi There, Simple answer is yes, but not at 10% as almost every cruise has a group of this size, 300 folks on a ship of 3000 not going to worry me much, 900 well that's different, have cruised with large groups to the point Princess changed menus made broadcasts in Spanish, even the Royal Maiden had a group with there own meet, rep etc had no impact. yours Shogun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle_and_hawk Posted November 11, 2013 #13 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Hi There, ...have cruised with large groups to the point Princess changed menus yours Shogun I would not have thought they would change the menus, however found out first hand on our last cruise. I noticed the HC and the MDR offerings were a lot different than past two cruises. All three were to Alaska. While on the UST, the head chef actually commented they will sometimes change it, based on the majority of the nationality of the passengers. David & Ellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamima Posted November 11, 2013 #14 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Hi There, Simple answer is yes, but not at 10% as almost every cruise has a group of this size, 300 folks on a ship of 3000 not going to worry me much, 900 well that's different, have cruised with large groups to the point Princess changed menus made broadcasts in Spanish, even the Royal Maiden had a group with there own meet, rep etc had no impact. yours Shogun I agree that 10% really doesn't affect the cruise much. We've had 2 experiences with large groups which clarified this to me. Years ago we were on the (then) Tahitian Princess for B2Bs. The second cruise (when we were comfortable and familiar with the normal operations of things) was unexpectedly (for us) taken over by a group of French people who seemed to have booked with one agent. I think they had booked almost half of the ship. She took over half of the Purser's desk, announcements were made in French, rooms were blocked off, seats everywhere (pool and shows) were held, etc. It was awful! Even the crew that we had become friendly with on the first cruise noticed it. :( Then last year we were on a cruise that had a group of Star Wars aficionados . I found out about it on our Roll Call before the cruise and almost cancelled. It turned out that there were about 300 (or so) of them on a 3000 passenger ship and other than the costumes I sometimes saw, there was no effect at all on the cruise. I think when the group gets up to a third of the ship and is large enough to affect the experience of people not in the group it would be wonderful to be notified but I don't expect that will ever happen.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzG Posted November 11, 2013 #15 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I think that if dining rooms, entertainment venues or other areas will be blocked off to regular passengers they should be informed in advance. Also, 10% of the passengers being in a group might not be readily visible on the bigger ships, but I would think it would make a difference on the smaller ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebr.cruiser Posted November 11, 2013 #16 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I voted yes, but I do think the 10% number is too low--I doubt if that many would seriously affect others. So far we haven't been on a cruise that had such a large group that it affected others not in the group, luckily. I do think that if a ship has a truly large percentage of a certain group aboard, to the extent that certain venues will be closed to other passengers, that information should be made public. I understand why it is not, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsunlover Posted November 11, 2013 #17 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I think that if dining rooms, entertainment venues or other areas will be blocked off to regular passengers they should be informed in advance. Also, 10% of the passengers being in a group might not be readily visible on the bigger ships, but I would think it would make a difference on the smaller ships. I agree. And I think regular passengers should be allowed to cancel without penalty if they feel their cruise experience will be impacted by not having access to public areas reserved by large groups - such as pools, entertainment venues, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocagirl1 Posted November 11, 2013 #18 Share Posted November 11, 2013 How can you find out if there are any large groups on the Cruise you are going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCruisers Posted November 11, 2013 #19 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Unfortunately, cruise lines are not going to tell us ... but I wish they would. Also, I wish we could post the "Groups" we find out about here on Cruise Critic ... but it's against CC rules. LuLu ~~~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel5 Posted November 11, 2013 #20 Share Posted November 11, 2013 The reason they don't tell us is that legally they can't. It's discrimination. I've been on cruises with large groups and they don't begin to affect the ship until about 500 in number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Ocean Lover Posted November 11, 2013 #21 Share Posted November 11, 2013 The reason they don't tell us is that legally they can't. It's discrimination. I've been on cruises with large groups and they don't begin to affect the ship until about 500 in number. I'm not sure that it's illegal. We were booking a hotel in Laughlin, NV once and they said they had an obligation to let us know that there was a big bike rally in town that weekend. I do think they don't tell for reasons already stated - people would cancel if they knew of a group that might impact their trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&M in Pgh Posted November 11, 2013 Author #22 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Just some quick math here, lets use the Royal Princess as an example. You have 3,600 passengers, 10% is 360. That is more then enough to take all the available space at the Retreat pool or the Sanctuary. That is more than enough to fill up the LIVE theater, Club 6, the Wheelhouse bar or the Crown grill. That is how I came up with the percentage I used. And I am talking about "Official" groups, not the roll calls. Offical groups can get venues and areas closed off for their exclusive use or they can just overrun an area when they decide that the group will meet at a certain venue at a certain time. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahav1 Posted November 11, 2013 #23 Share Posted November 11, 2013 They don't tell you since they don't want you to cancel and they don't have to. What I do is just Google my ship, date of cruising and look up if any group is on my ship. I found a few in the past but they were small groups and didn't change my plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotaryMike Posted November 11, 2013 #24 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I mean this for ANY and ALL groups. Do you think Princess has an obligation to inform you when a group has booked more than 10% of the total cabins on your cruise? I chose 10% as I think that is the level at which a group can begin to overwhelm or totally monopolize one area of the ship (a theater, the Sanctuary, the new Retreat area...) Mike Would you have a problem with an "S&M" group ??? What if they "tied up" all of the common areas ??? LOL ;):D;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e71465 Posted November 11, 2013 #25 Share Posted November 11, 2013 YES, I think Princess should share the fact that they have a large group booked! We once sailed out of Florida with a group of 900 people who took over the pool area and made a whole lot of passengers uncomfortable. Especially those with small children. Several areas were blocked off for their own use and private parties! I would have have canceled and rebooked if I knew this group was on board! Only because this group was OUT OF CONTROL and they were doing things in public areas that should have been kept in the cabins!! :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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