steelhead1 Posted December 10, 2014 #1 Share Posted December 10, 2014 We will be on the Island 12 day med cruise in Oct. and were comparing the pre and post drydock deckplans and there are major changes being made. no more sanctuary pool, no more universe lounge, no more fitness center with views and adding many new cabins just to name a few. This will be our 3rd time on the Island and to us these changes are disappointing. Just curious what your thoughts are on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted December 10, 2014 #2 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) We will be on the Island 12 day med cruise in Oct. and were comparing the pre and post drydock deckplans and there are major changes being made. no more sanctuary pool, no more universe lounge, no more fitness center with views and adding many new cabins just to name a few. This will be our 3rd time on the Island and to us these changes are disappointing. Just curious what your thoughts are on this. A couple of threads on this already.... http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2127734&highlight=island+princess+dry+dock We may cancel our Nov TA because of this. :( The biggest for us would be the loss of 1/3 of the promenade deck and the aft viewing areas. Edited December 10, 2014 by Colo Cruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead1 Posted December 10, 2014 Author #3 Share Posted December 10, 2014 A couple of threads on this already.... http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2127734&highlight=island+princess+dry+dock We may cancel our Nov TA because of this. :( The biggest for us would be the loss of 1/3 of the promenade deck and the aft viewing areas. I looked before I posted if this had already been discussed, guess I missed it. We may well still do our med cruise only because it is so port intensive but I would have to say for any other destination we would not go on the Island given these changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted December 10, 2014 #4 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I looked before I posted if this had already been discussed, guess I missed it. We may well still do our med cruise only because it is so port intensive but I would have to say for any other destination we would not go on the Island given these changes We just did basicly the same port intensive Med cruise on the Regal in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughing husky Posted December 10, 2014 #5 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I have been on the Island a couple of times, and the things that I loved about her, are the things they are taking away. I had wanted to do a Med cruise in the fall on her, but I have to think about it now...I can just see runners or joggers running through the interior space to get to the other side of the once beautiful promenade deck......Oh yeh, and exercising in a windowless room instead of looking out on the water? I don't think so....that is always a highlight for me.....I can work out in my garage for free if I want to do that....running on a treadmill with the ocean in front of you is light running on the water with wings.....I think it is a poor management decision.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEH Posted December 10, 2014 #6 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Its all about making money . I love the Island Princess and am glad our 15 day Canal cruise the end of January is before they gut her . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysaddlebred000 Posted December 10, 2014 #7 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I have a b2b on her next fall and am considering canceling. Not happy at all about the changes. Why not just raise the prices a little. I'd pay more than have to put up with more people. I hate the mega ships. and someone brought up a good point about extra staff - where are they going to live? And what about life boats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare eroller Posted December 10, 2014 #8 Share Posted December 10, 2014 It's really a shame what they are doing to one of the nicest ships in the Princess fleet. Taking out public space and replacing it with cabins never benefits the customer. This is all about revenue. Higher density with less space to spread out in. Carnival did the same with CARNIVAL SUNSHINE and in fact I'm guessing that is where Princess got it's inspiration from … or should I say Carnival Shipbuilding which I think overseas all these massive renovations where the structure of the ship is changed. Disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggprincess2004 Posted December 10, 2014 #9 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I am cancelling the Island booking for the Panama Canal Transit in April 2016. What a shame - they are entirely ruining the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msail Posted December 10, 2014 #10 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Would not surprise me since carnival owns princess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonbeam Posted December 11, 2014 #11 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Of all of those, I only care about the Sanctuary pool... And for those of you who say just raise prices, it doesn't work that way. For a product with inelastic perishable demand, the market sets the prices overall. Princess may try to maximize it, but at the end they have to set the price to what someone will pay or lose all revenue entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beg3yrs Posted December 11, 2014 #12 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Of all of those, I only care about the Sanctuary pool... And for those of you who say just raise prices, it doesn't work that way. For a product with inelastic perishable demand, the market sets the prices overall. Princess may try to maximize it, but at the end they have to set the price to what someone will pay or lose all revenue entirely. "Inelastic perishable demand", my graduate Economics professor gives you an A+! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted December 11, 2014 #13 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Would not surprise me since carnival owns princess No, Carnival Cruise Lines does not own Princess. Carnival Corp owns both Carnival Cruise Lines and Princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msail Posted December 11, 2014 #14 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I didn't say Carnival Cruise Lines I said carnival and carnival Corp is Carnival cruise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy65 Posted August 2, 2015 #15 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Just cancelled our B to B cruises on the Island in October, not because of the new layout, although don't agree with decision to block part off part of Promenade deck, but because of the changes to amount of time spent in some ports. Not prepared to pay our final invoice then be told there are 'big changes' to itinerary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PescadoAmarillo Posted August 2, 2015 #16 Share Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) And for those of you who say just raise prices, it doesn't work that way. For a product with inelastic perishable demand, the market sets the prices overall. Princess may try to maximize it, but at the end they have to set the price to what someone will pay or lose all revenue entirely. I know I am late to the table on this one, having been (where else?) on a ship when this thread was active, but I have to tell you that I loved this statement (being an econ geek). However, I was confused about the perishable part. Perishable in what way? All I can figure is that you mean perishable because a ship has a limited useful life? Or is it that cruisers have a limited life span? Not at all picking at you at all, because I am thrilled to see true economic commentary on CC (besides simply "supply and demand" and "follow the money") but I am truly curious and wish to be educated on this point. BTW, my favorite econ concept is "exploiting the area under the demand curve" as the most economically advantageous pricing policy for the economy. Edited August 2, 2015 by PescadoAmarillo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisin froggy Posted August 2, 2015 #17 Share Posted August 2, 2015 We are on a b2b next April for the Panama Canal on the Island and after reading so many negative comments about this ship, not to mention no IC, I'm wondering if we should switch ships to another cruise. The Panama Canal cruise is one we've wanted to do for a while and we've never been on the Island before so anybody out there with experience on her before and /or after, please give me your thoughts please. We will be on it for 30 days so I'd like to be reassured if at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancyquilts Posted August 2, 2015 #18 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I know I am late to the table on this one, having been (where else?) on a ship when this thread was active, but I have to tell you that I loved this statement (being an econ geek). However, I was confused about the perishable part. Perishable in what way? All I can figure is that you mean perishable because a ship has a limited useful life? Or is it that cruisers have a limited life span? . I may be wrong -has to happen sometime:rolleyes:- but I read it as perishable because the ship only sails a particular cruise at a particular time, and each one is on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kineticoh20 Posted August 2, 2015 #19 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yea I hated it :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PescadoAmarillo Posted August 2, 2015 #20 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I may be wrong -has to happen sometime:rolleyes:- but I read it as perishable because the ship only sails a particular cruise at a particular time, and each one is on its own. That might be it. Thanks! I think of that as being perishable supply, but I suppose it might also be demand, as in, the week after the cruise the demand for that past cruise goes to zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisingJs Posted August 2, 2015 #21 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yea I hated it :cool: Is that one of the new suites? Any vibration issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kineticoh20 Posted August 3, 2015 #22 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Is that one of the new suites? Any vibration issues? Yes it's L721 and yes there is vibration. There is vibration on all ships aft, but it was not bothersome to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonbeam Posted August 3, 2015 #23 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Perishable in this case means when the ship departs (or the manifest locks) the ability to get revenue from an empty cabin expires. That means Princess doesn't have the opportunity to hold on to a cabin to get a higher price in the way that (for example) someone selling stocks can choose not to sell at market rate. I know I am late to the table on this one, having been (where else?) on a ship when this thread was active, but I have to tell you that I loved this statement (being an econ geek). However, I was confused about the perishable part. Perishable in what way? All I can figure is that you mean perishable because a ship has a limited useful life? Or is it that cruisers have a limited life span? Not at all picking at you at all, because I am thrilled to see true economic commentary on CC (besides simply "supply and demand" and "follow the money") but I am truly curious and wish to be educated on this point. BTW, my favorite econ concept is "exploiting the area under the demand curve" as the most economically advantageous pricing policy for the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PescadoAmarillo Posted August 3, 2015 #24 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Thank you for the explanation. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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