shredie Posted August 22, 2016 #1 Share Posted August 22, 2016 The corporation does. This has been coming up a lot lately, and I think some people need to have their confusion sorted. My analogy is that Carnival Corporation is like the dad, and the individual cruise lines are his sons (or I guess you can do mothers and daughter if you choose). Carnival Corporation's first name is "Carnival," and he has a son named "Carnival," too. His son is Carnival Cruise Lines. He also has other sons named "Princess," "HAL," etc. Dad makes the rules for all the sons. The son Carnival CL does not get to make the rules for everyone. He has the same first name as his dad, but he's not the dad. I'm sure someone else can explain this better than I can, but it is inaccurate to say that Carnival Cruise Lines owns Princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverbeenhere Posted August 22, 2016 #2 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I bet you can't Fathom why it Costa me a lot to dress like a Princess when I go to the Carnival in Holland. I could squeeze in a few more with some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansoninc Posted August 22, 2016 #3 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Too clever! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted August 22, 2016 #4 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I bet you can't Fathom why it Costa me a lot to dress like a Princess when I go to the Carnival in Holland. I could squeeze in a few more with some time. Please post pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satxdiver Posted August 22, 2016 #5 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Carnival Cruise Lines back in the 1980's started buying other cruise lines and retaining their names and staff. The company then became Carnival Corp & PLC registered in the USA and UK for a dual listed corporation. Carnival Corp is a holding company with 10 operating cruise lines in their portfolio each run independently by a president. The 10 individual cruise lines acting independently can and do compete with each other although Carnival Corp announced about a year or so ago that they were making moves to stop the competition between the 10 different cruise lines. The 10 cruise lines were organized into groups with Princess being part of the Holland America Group (HAL, Princess, Seabourn and P&O Cruises Australia). Because the subsidiary cruise lines are operated as separate cruise lines is why there is not much sharing between them like recognizing loyalty levels. Do not confuse Carnival Corp & plc with CCL, one of its subsidiary cruise lines. Interesting side note is that RCCL was in the process of merging with P&O Princess Cruises when Carnival Corp executed a hostile takeover of P&O Princess dividing it into P&O Cruises UK, P&O Cruises Australia and Princess Cruise Line - three separate cruise lines all owned by Carnival Corp & plc. Edited August 22, 2016 by satxdiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverbeenhere Posted August 22, 2016 #6 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Rocketman: I found this old shot of you and me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam in CA Posted August 22, 2016 #7 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Another analogy is Yum Brands which owns Pizza Hut and Kentucky Fried Chicken as well as others. They are fast food, major brands but different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbane41 Posted August 23, 2016 #8 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Carnival Cruise Lines back in the 1980's started buying other cruise lines and retaining their names and staff. The company then became Carnival Corp & PLC registered in the USA and UK for a dual listed corporation. Carnival Corp is a holding company with 10 operating cruise lines in their portfolio each run independently by a president. The 10 individual cruise lines acting independently can and do compete with each other although Carnival Corp announced about a year or so ago that they were making moves to stop the competition between the 10 different cruise lines. The 10 cruise lines were organized into groups with Princess being part of the Holland America Group (HAL, Princess, Seabourn and P&O Cruises Australia). Because the subsidiary cruise lines are operated as separate cruise lines is why there is not much sharing between them like recognizing loyalty levels. Do not confuse Carnival Corp & plc with CCL, one of its subsidiary cruise lines. Interesting side note is that RCCL was in the process of merging with P&O Princess Cruises when Carnival Corp executed a hostile takeover of P&O Princess dividing it into P&O Cruises UK, P&O Cruises Australia and Princess Cruise Line - three separate cruise lines all owned by Carnival Corp & plc. Regarding the P&O side they were always separate lines. Carnival never divided them at all. P&O was originally part of the P&O Ports and demerged around 2001. P&O has had a long history and had formed many cruise lines under its banner like Princess, P&O Australia, Swan Hellenic, Ocean Village. If you look at some of the older Princess ships like Grand, Golden and Star Princess you can still see the P&O markings on the side that have been painted over. For those of us who cruised P&O and Princess prior to Carnival getting its claws in the operation remember the quality to be much better than what it is today with much more inclusive options throughout the cruise. Prior to the Carnival merger P&O existed as P&O UK, Princess, P&O Australia, Ocean Village and Swan Hellenic. Carnival did not split them into what we know today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msg74 Posted August 23, 2016 #9 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Great book on how it all came together: Check out "Devils on the Deep Blue Sea: The Dreams, Schemes, and Showdowns That Built America's Cruise-Ship Empires" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted August 23, 2016 #10 Share Posted August 23, 2016 (edited) What is even weirder is that Princess falls under the Holland America Group now (as of 2013). http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/stein-kruse-to-become-ceo-of-the-holland-america-group-230519551.html So all the lines really are not like separate siblings. Edited August 23, 2016 by Coral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCruisers Posted August 23, 2016 #11 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Carnival Corporation owns many cruise lines. Different lines which operate their own brand to meet the needs of varied passenger desires. AIDA Cruises, Carnival Cruise Line, Costa, Cunard, fathom, Holland America, Ibero cruises, P&O (UK & Australia), Princess, Seabourn, etc. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted August 23, 2016 #12 Share Posted August 23, 2016 While they may be "children" of the parent Carnival Corp, they would probably best be called adult children, independent, mostly, seeking their own way in the world. Not dependent children still at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted August 23, 2016 #13 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Carnival Cruise Lines back in the 1980's started buying other cruise lines and retaining their names and staff. The company then became Carnival Corp & PLC registered in the USA and UK for a dual listed corporation. Carnival Corp is a holding company with 10 operating cruise lines in their portfolio each run independently by a president. The 10 individual cruise lines acting independently can and do compete with each other although Carnival Corp announced about a year or so ago that they were making moves to stop the competition between the 10 different cruise lines. The 10 cruise lines were organized into groups with Princess being part of the Holland America Group (HAL, Princess, Seabourn and P&O Cruises Australia). Because the subsidiary cruise lines are operated as separate cruise lines is why there is not much sharing between them like recognizing loyalty levels. Do not confuse Carnival Corp & plc with CCL, one of its subsidiary cruise lines. Interesting side note is that RCCL was in the process of merging with P&O Princess Cruises when Carnival Corp executed a hostile takeover of P&O Princess dividing it into P&O Cruises UK, P&O Cruises Australia and Princess Cruise Line - three separate cruise lines all owned by Carnival Corp & plc. Actually, Carnival Corp & PLC is incorporated in Panama and UK, not the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Reid Posted August 23, 2016 #14 Share Posted August 23, 2016 (edited) I think Dad told his son, HAL, that he was going to have to share his toy private island. I think he also told him it was going to be refurnished with a pirate ship bar with really loud speakers and huge high-rise cabanas. And I think he told most of his children that they were also going to share Grand Turk, Amber Cove, and Mahogany Bay. Edited August 23, 2016 by John Reid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shredie Posted August 23, 2016 Author #15 Share Posted August 23, 2016 So all the lines really are not like separate siblings. Sort of like conjoined twins? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky TGO Posted August 23, 2016 #16 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Sort of like conjoined twins? :D Good answer :D Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyboy Posted August 23, 2016 #17 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Carnival Corporation owns many cruise lines. Different lines which operate their own brand to meet the needs of varied passenger desires. AIDA Cruises, Carnival Cruise Line, Costa, Cunard, fathom, Holland America, Ibero cruises, P&O (UK & Australia), Princess, Seabourn, etc. :) simply put..:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Times Prince Posted August 23, 2016 #18 Share Posted August 23, 2016 . Do not confuse Carnival Corp & plc with CCL, one of its subsidiary cruise lines. Ah, but you jut did. Carnival Corp and plc is listed on the New York Stock Exchange as "CCL". Calling the daughter cruise line Carnival Cruises CCL is just adding to the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobecat Posted August 23, 2016 #19 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Really - and the point of all this is?? Carnival is the holding company, who cares. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrincessLuver Posted August 23, 2016 #20 Share Posted August 23, 2016 The corporation does. This has been coming up a lot lately, and I think some people need to have their confusion sorted. My analogy is that Carnival Corporation is like the dad, and the individual cruise lines are his sons (or I guess you can do mothers and daughter if you choose). Carnival Corporation's first name is "Carnival," and he has a son named "Carnival," too. His son is Carnival Cruise Lines. He also has other sons named "Princess," "HAL," etc. Dad makes the rules for all the sons. The son Carnival CL does not get to make the rules for everyone. He has the same first name as his dad, but he's not the dad. I'm sure someone else can explain this better than I can, but it is inaccurate to say that Carnival Cruise Lines owns Princess. WHO CARES.....it is all semantics....and I wish Princess (passengers take themselves way to seriously and they are not all that!!) was a lot more like Carnival...:D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kineticoh20 Posted August 23, 2016 #21 Share Posted August 23, 2016 The corporation does. This has been coming up a lot lately, and I think some people need to have their confusion sorted. My analogy is that Carnival Corporation is like the dad, and the individual cruise lines are his sons (or I guess you can do mothers and daughter if you choose). Carnival Corporation's first name is "Carnival," and he has a son named "Carnival," too. His son is Carnival Cruise Lines. He also has other sons named "Princess," "HAL," etc. Dad makes the rules for all the sons. The son Carnival CL does not get to make the rules for everyone. He has the same first name as his dad, but he's not the dad. I'm sure someone else can explain this better than I can, but it is inaccurate to say that Carnival Cruise Lines owns Princess. semantics! If Nissan owns Rolls Royce it doesn't make a rolls any less of a Rolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverbeenhere Posted August 23, 2016 #22 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Then again, when Ford owned Jaguar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kineticoh20 Posted August 23, 2016 #23 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Then again, when Ford owned Jaguar... Ya I had one of those Jags it was pretty bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcruzin Posted August 23, 2016 #24 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Regarding the P&O side they were always separate lines. Carnival never divided them at all. P&O was originally part of the P&O Ports and demerged around 2001. P&O has had a long history and had formed many cruise lines under its banner like Princess, P&O Australia, Swan Hellenic, Ocean Village. If you look at some of the older Princess ships like Grand, Golden and Star Princess you can still see the P&O markings on the side that have been painted over. 1991 Crown Princess. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shredie Posted August 23, 2016 Author #25 Share Posted August 23, 2016 semantics! If Nissan owns Rolls Royce it doesn't make a rolls any less of a Rolls That's true. So tell that to the several posters of late who wonder why Carnival's loyalty points don't count on Princess because "Carnival owns Princess." Etc. Who cares? It isn't mandatory to open a thread and comment. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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