tx121 Posted June 16, 2017 #1 Share Posted June 16, 2017 So i was reading some articles where they are claiming that Carnival Corps new ships will be the largest passenger capacity cruise ships in the world at 6,600 passengers at max capacity. That is very strange since Harmony of the Seas already holds the record at max capacity 6,780 passengers. What also puzzles me is how cramped these new ships will be. Harmony of the seas is 226,000 gross tons while Carnival Corp's ships will be 180,000 gross tons. That's a 46,000 ton or Empress size difference with only 180 passengers less! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pruritus Posted June 16, 2017 #2 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) An article in the Orlando Sentinel mentions 5200 pax at double occupancy. Harmony holds 5479. Maybe less suites or amenities considering the 46000 ton difference. But i see there is another thread where the difference in volume and guest capacity has been discussed. It will be a Costa ship, not a company i will cruise with. http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2398973 Edited June 16, 2017 by Pruritus added information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNBR Posted June 16, 2017 #3 Share Posted June 16, 2017 It'll be the same approach as Vista. Make all the venues smaller and cram as many people as possible in smaller spaces. Another failed approach at competing with Royal. They need to just make a 220,000 ton ship and do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal2464 Posted June 16, 2017 #4 Share Posted June 16, 2017 That sounds like the ship will sacrifice public space for cabins. Multi tier deck chairs and bench seats in the dining room may be the only way to fit everyone in the public areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted June 16, 2017 #5 Share Posted June 16, 2017 That sounds like the ship will sacrifice public space for cabins. Multi tier deck chairs and bench seats in the dining room may be the only way to fit everyone in the public areas. Or teeny tiny cabins like MJ. [emoji33] Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBFURR Posted June 16, 2017 #6 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Or teeny tiny cabins like MJ. [emoji33] Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Yes, that was a "feature" of the Sovereign class ships to make the public venues larger. At the time they were the largest cruise ships in the world and the public areas were huge for the day at the expense of cabin size. This was corrected in later builds. Even now we notice that the individual lounges on MJ are bigger than the typical ones on newer ships but there are more of them on the newer ships. This helps spread out the crowds. Hopefully the cabin size lesson has been learned. We did a few 7 day cruises on MJ and even went on a 4 day with us and 2 kids in a cabin once :eek:. We have no idea how we did that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWillSailAway Posted June 16, 2017 #7 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) I followed the link and saw a couple of pictures and a video posted by others. It does not look like it will have Cove balconies, does it? Wonder why Carnival is not continuing those. I have always wanted to try one. Would be nice if Royal can incorporate them into Royal ships. -l2OmOs9wtk Edited June 16, 2017 by cidercruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinders411 Posted June 16, 2017 #8 Share Posted June 16, 2017 It'll be the same approach as Vista. Make all the venues smaller and cram as many people as possible in smaller spaces. Another failed approach at competing with Royal. They need to just make a 220,000 ton ship and do it right. I agree. I did not enjoy the venues on the Vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted June 16, 2017 #9 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Seems like many ships will have those flat nosed bows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb at sea Posted June 16, 2017 #10 Share Posted June 16, 2017 That's because they are more like floating hotels than ships! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted June 16, 2017 #11 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Holy crap. If my math is correct, the space to passenger ratio on those ships will be down into the 20s. I really hope those numbers are not correct. That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted June 16, 2017 #12 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Holy crap. If my math is correct, the space to passenger ratio on those ships will be down into the 20s. I really hope those numbers are not correct. That's ridiculous. Europeans like to be cozy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty nut Posted June 16, 2017 #13 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Saw this on MSN yesterday. How is this possible. 187 feet shorter than Oasis but holds more passengers. http://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/msc-cruises-to-design-worlds-largest-cruise-ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted June 16, 2017 #14 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Sardines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pruritus Posted June 16, 2017 #15 Share Posted June 16, 2017 At least they will be well fed and well marinated sardines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted June 16, 2017 #16 Share Posted June 16, 2017 187 feet shorter than Oasis but holds more passengers. The length measurement on some of the new designs are a bit misleading when trying to compare with current designs -the new flat nosed designs would probably have been at least 50-100 longer if they had traditional bows. The GT measurement is a bit better, but even that may not really tell the "feel" of space - or lack of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishOn55 Posted June 17, 2017 #17 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Saw this on MSN yesterday. How is this possible. 187 feet shorter than Oasis but holds more passengers. http://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/msc-cruises-to-design-worlds-largest-cruise-ship One way to pack in the passengers is to make every cabin a triple, quad or cabin for 5. That's what Norwegian Bliss is doing. No thanks, too many noisy neighbors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatour Posted June 18, 2017 #18 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Just remember gross tonnage is a measurement of enclosed volume. The Royal Promenade on a RCCL ship has volume that that is not actually used to spread people out. However I think the Oasis and Freedom class ships do this nicely. Plus I like the extra dimensions of the Royal Promenade on Oasis and Freedom class ships over the Voyager. On the Oasis, Central Park/Boardwalk also helps to disperse crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norcalemt02 Posted June 18, 2017 #19 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Saw this on MSN yesterday. How is this possible. 187 feet shorter than Oasis but holds more passengers. http://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/msc-cruises-to-design-worlds-largest-cruise-ship Ugly ship. The bow looks like the aft of a freedom/voyager class ship. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorben-Hendrik Posted June 18, 2017 #20 Share Posted June 18, 2017 I followed the link and saw a couple of pictures and a video posted by others. It does not look like it will have Cove balconies, does it? Wonder why Carnival is not continuing those. I have always wanted to try one. Would be nice if Royal can incorporate them into Royal ships. -l2OmOs9wtk Absolutely love the aft section of that ship!:hearteyes: So much better than Oasis-class! The new Costa looks sooo awesome!(y)(y)(y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saab4444 Posted June 18, 2017 #21 Share Posted June 18, 2017 It is a slightly modified Aida Prima design, nothing new. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned11 Posted June 18, 2017 #22 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Europeans like to be cozy. Not that cosy! [emoji23] The front of the ship looks awful. Not very pretty. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader0108598 Posted June 18, 2017 #23 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Pretty soon we will be paying extra to have a cabin just for your family! Other wise you share with some of your fellow cruisers......cozy right!!! Reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted June 18, 2017 #24 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Absolutely love the aft section of that ship!:hearteyes:So much better than Oasis-class! The new Costa looks sooo awesome!(y)(y)(y) But no Aqua Theater. And no flow riders. [emoji12] Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUISEFAN0001 Posted June 18, 2017 #25 Share Posted June 18, 2017 But no Aqua Theater. And no flow riders. [emoji12] Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app ...and no zipline....and no Central Park...and no etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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