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Dang you beat me to it. Haha. How do I delete my thread? No reason for two.

 

 

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I'm not sure how you can delete it, but if you hit the little ! in the triangle, you can ask the mods to delete it. If you are still within the edit time frame, you can just do it thru edit--remove what you posted and not "deleted by poster."

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I'm not sure how you can delete it' date=' but if you hit the little ! in the triangle, you can ask the mods to delete it. If you are still within the edit time frame, you can just do it thru edit--remove what you posted and not "deleted by poster."[/quote']

 

 

 

I'm on my phone and can't figure it out. Oh well. [emoji847] yay for three more Disney boats! This is when platinum status comes in handy. First crack at the inaugural sailing! (I hope!)

 

 

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Having done a maiden voyage (which I define as the first cruise of a new ship with paying customers on board), you can have it. I understand that things have improved greatly in terms of having ship and crew ready for a full load of guests, but in 1998 they were a LONG way from ready! Since that adventure, we've always waited a few months before cruising on a new ship.

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Having done a maiden voyage (which I define as the first cruise of a new ship with paying customers on board)' date=' you can have it. I understand that things have improved greatly in terms of having ship and crew ready for a full load of guests, but in 1998 they were a LONG way from ready! Since that adventure, we've always waited a few months before cruising on a new ship.[/quote']

 

 

 

Wow! Well hopefully that was due to never having experience in the cruising industry. I really just want the cool merchandise that come with it. :)

 

 

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Do we know where these ships will be based? Any way one will be out of NY/NJ? Just curious about that.

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Do we know where these ships will be based? Any way one will be out of NY/NJ? Just curious about that.

Absolutely NO information yet other than projected launch dates. Nothing on names, home ports, projected cruises...the only thing is that it did say the fleet would be at 7 ships in 2023. This would imply that they are not immediately looking at retiring the classics. And they did say that the new ships will all be environmentally friendly (this affects which ports they are allowed to use) and that they will be bigger than the Dream/Fantasy.

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Absolutely NO information yet other than projected launch dates. Nothing on names' date=' home ports, projected cruises...the only thing is that it did say the fleet would be at 7 ships in 2023. This would imply that they are not immediately looking at retiring the classics. And they did say that the new ships will all be environmentally friendly (this affects which ports they are allowed to use) and that they will be bigger than the Dream/Fantasy.[/quote']

Thank you for the reply. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. We really would love to take our son on a Disney cruise even though they are quite a bit more expensive than other cruises. Would be worth it just for him. He just turned 4.

 

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Thank you for the reply. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. We really would love to take our son on a Disney cruise even though they are quite a bit more expensive than other cruises. Would be worth it just for him. He just turned 4.

 

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The "is it worth it" question is always difficult. In fairness, I've done 30+ DCL cruises, but in the last few years have been exploring other lines. There are lots of reasons for that....no kids in the family, tired of the DCL itineraries, and the skyrocketing prices of DCL cruises. ALL lines are increasing prices, but DCL keeps pushing the envelope.

 

You can get some better prices if you can cruise "off season," (like when traditional schools are in session) or on relatively short notice (about 75 days or so).

 

Is your child really into Disney? Have you been to the parks and how did he react to that? We like the parks, but love the ships! If he's really into Star Wars or Marvel, you might consider one of those specialty cruises. There is not really a "bad" age for a DCL cruise, although 4-7 is a great time. If he is very shy, doesn't like characters, etc. I'd wait a year or so. On the other hand, if he loves Disney movies and is OK functioning around strangers with mom or dad in the vicinity....go for it. If I had a 5 year old, I'd be carefully selecting a DCL cruise. By that, I mean that I wouldn't just pick a date when I could get a few days off work. I'd likely go in September or the beginning of December and I'd choose a 7 night cruise on the Magic. BUT there are lots of personal preferences built into that sentence. I would not do a 3 night cruise--4 nights is my absolute minimum. We absolutely love the Magic and some of our favorite CMs are there. Early December will have all the Christmas decorations and activities and lower costs/fewer kids on board. September will be warm and fewer kids. There are LOTS of considerations!

 

Bottom line...with a kid....yeah, DCL is a great vacation.

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My husband thinks with seven ships the price will come down bc they're saturating their market a little more.

 

 

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My husband thinks with seven ships the price will come down bc they're saturating their market a little more.

 

 

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In the first few years, people will want to cruise on the "new" ships. We might see a small price difference on the existing fleet. Price is always a matter of supply and demand, but DCL would not have exercised their option on the third ship if they didn't believe they could continue to essentially fill the entire fleet. They also have an option in the contract to have a 4th ship built. I don't expect any action on that until they get the first new one in service. I'm wondering if they are considering retiring the classics--the Magic is currently 19 years old and does not meet today's environmental standards. She'll be 25 when the last of the 3 builds comes out. Much as I hate the thought, at some point DCL will decide that it is a better financial decision to sell her than to continue to update her.

 

I'm guessing that they will add some new, exciting ports (perhaps Asia) with the classics as the new builds take over the established business. We did a cruise in Japan last year on another line...and Disney fanatics were everywhere. My daughter kept commenting on how much business they could do if they sent the Magic over there. They also have several theme parks in various countries in Asia that could make great tie-ins. People came to the various ports to see a ship that was not pretty--it was one of the big white hulks.

 

SO, if I had to make a guess....Magic to Asia, Wonder to continue Alaska and US west coast, Dream, Fantasy, and new ships doing US east coast/Caribbean, and Europe. I have NO inside information; this is purely a guess with a bit of wishing thrown in.

 

DCL has not begun to saturate their market. Perhaps they are nearing that point with the US market, but there is a big world out there with lots of Disney fans

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Would LOVE a boat to goto Asia. I've noticed a trend in other lines doing it too. Maybe all the unrest in Middle East/Europe is forcing them to Asia.

 

 

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hope springs eternal..

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In the first few years' date=' people will want to cruise on the "new" ships. We might see a small price difference on the existing fleet. Price is always a matter of supply and demand, but DCL would not have exercised their option on the third ship if they didn't believe they could continue to essentially fill the entire fleet. They also have an option in the contract to have a 4th ship built. I don't expect any action on that until they get the first new one in service. I'm wondering if they are considering retiring the classics--the Magic is currently 19 years old and does not meet today's environmental standards. She'll be 25 when the last of the 3 builds comes out. Much as I hate the thought, at some point DCL will decide that it is a better financial decision to sell her than to continue to update her.

 

I'm guessing that they will add some new, exciting ports (perhaps Asia) with the classics as the new builds take over the established business. We did a cruise in Japan last year on another line...and Disney fanatics were everywhere. My daughter kept commenting on how much business they could do if they sent the Magic over there. They also have several theme parks in various countries in Asia that could make great tie-ins. People came to the various ports to see a ship that was not pretty--it was one of the big white hulks.

 

SO, if I had to make a guess....Magic to Asia, Wonder to continue Alaska and US west coast, Dream, Fantasy, and new ships doing US east coast/Caribbean, and Europe. I have NO inside information; this is purely a guess with a bit of wishing thrown in.

 

DCL has not begun to saturate their market. Perhaps they are nearing that point with the US market, but there is a big world out there with lots of Disney fans[/quote']

 

i think you're right about retiring the classics...they probably make a lot more money per cruise on the big boats...

too bad, as i much prefer the smaller ones...

 

as for location, i sure hope it means they'll be in my neck of the woods more often...

it will save us a bundle not having to get to the US.......

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Having done a maiden voyage (which I define as the first cruise of a new ship with paying customers on board)' date=' you can have it. I understand that things have improved greatly in terms of having ship and crew ready for a full load of guests, but in 1998 they were a LONG way from ready! Since that adventure, we've always waited a few months before cruising on a new ship.[/quote']

 

I remember reading about all the issues with maiden voyage. But, it was the very first sailing of DCL and hopefully they've learned a thing or two from that experience.

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My husband thinks with seven ships the price will come down bc they're saturating their market a little more.

 

 

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I could be wrong, but I don't see how they can fill 7 ships full-time charging the premium over the other lines that they do.

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I could be wrong, but I don't see how they can fill 7 ships full-time charging the premium over the other lines that they do.

 

As popular as Shanghai Disney has been, I wouldn't be surprised if one (or two) ships are for the Asian market.

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This is going to be a lot of changes with the DCL fleet with a total of 7 vessls. The present 4 vessels are already *Green* ships with most things state of the art/environmentally friendly. Something like all of the items used on the vessels from food waste to paper and cans, only 8 % goes ashore as waste. The rest is all set up to be recycled.

 

The big change with the 3 new ships is DCL is making the next step in environmentally with the propulsion fuel being liquid natural gas..........about the cleanest thing around for ships. I am also glad DCL did not go to the size of the monster vessels out there now.............I just don't like the look or feel of these things!. I also found it interesting the D 23 people were making a big deal about all kinds of new stuff on the 3 new vessels and new adventures, It should be interesting to see what they come up with.

 

The classics are in pretty good shape and not likely to be retired by Disney for 10 or 15 years. My own thoughts is that one classic will go to South American and the other to Europe full time One of the Dream or the new class going to the far east.

 

In any case it will be fun to watch this all unfold.

 

 

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I remember reading about all the issues with maiden voyage. But, it was the very first sailing of DCL and hopefully they've learned a thing or two from that experience.

They've improved the guest experience with each new launch. They've learned to workout the "bugs" on the ship in advance (we had ALL the ice machines become non-functional, for instance), they've learned to schedule activities in ways that spread out passengers, and they've learned that they need to bring CMs on board well before the launch so that they are fully trained and ready to go. However, no matter what they do, there will always be a difference between a celebrity or charity shake down cruise with relatively few passengers and that first cruise with a full load.

 

My reading indicates that cruise ships have a useful life of about 40 years...I hope the Magic serves out that full life expectancy. Skipper is right--it will be interesting to see what happens. South America is certainly closer, but there is no real Disney presence there. Asia would be a bigger commitment to get there, but there are tie ins to the two Tokyo parks, Shanghai, etc. And it is an easier hop to Australia from Asia. LOTS of possibilities!

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can the bigger ships traverse the panama canal? or do they need the wonder/magic for that?

 

i do hope they keep the little ones, as i much prefer them..

 

as for the asian market, of course they'll go after it...

disney is hugely popular in the east...

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The Dream class can go though the new locks....Since the 3 new vessels will only be about 5,000 m/t bigger.........They should also be able to go though the new locks.

 

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Wow! Well hopefully that was due to never having experience in the cruising industry. I really just want the cool merchandise that come with it. :)

 

 

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From what I've read, it's not a bad idea to avoid the first sailing of any new ship from any company as well as the first sailing or two out of dry dock. It doesn't always have to do with new staff issues.

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The Dream class can go though the new locks....Since the 3 new vessels will only be about 5' date='000 m/t bigger.........They should also be able to go though the new locks.

 

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As long as they don't build them too tall so they can't fit under the bridge of the Americas...

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From what I've read, it's not a bad idea to avoid the first sailing of any new ship from any company as well as the first sailing or two out of dry dock. It doesn't always have to do with new staff issues.

Absolutely true. And on that maiden voyage, some of our issues were mechanical and structural while other were CM related. The good thing is that I wrote a long letter to DCL after that cruise--told them that if they just wanted to know they had an unhappy customer, stop at the first paragraph. If they wanted details of what was wrong, keep reading. I received a VERY nice letter over the signature of the cruise line president along with a generous discount on any cruise in the next 18 months. We waited almost the entire 18 months before cruising again; everything that had been an issue before had been resolved. I didn't go thru a check list, but our impression was that this was a great cruise. In fact, the first night in bed we discussed the fact that the only thing wrong was that it was too short (4 nights). Before the end of the cruise, the CD announced the start of 7 night cruises! Yeah, they got us hooked.

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As long as they don't build them too tall so they can't fit under the bridge of the Americas...

 

 

 

Our tampa city planner didn't think that one through either. The skyway bridge is so short and doesn't have a bridge that opens up that none of the large cruise ships can come through. They've lost a ton of money for the city for this reason. IMHO.

 

 

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The Dream class can go though the new locks....Since the 3 new vessels will only be about 5' date='000 m/t bigger.........They should also be able to go though the new locks.

 

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Since the "ducktails" have been added to both Magic and Wonder, they no longer fit in the old locks. Wonder was the first cruise ship to use the new locks when headed to the west coast this year. The new locks can handle ships up to 1,200 feet long.

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Ability to go thru the old locks was one of the considerations in the size of the Magic and Wonder when they were built. They were 1 foot short of the maximum permitted size at that time. Of course, the ship must fit in three dimensions...but I can't imagine DCL being so short sighted as to not consider this in the design.

 

The delay in the opening of the new locks was a major reason the upgrading of the Wonder was postponed.

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Love to see a itinerary that runs from Hawaii to Australia could stop at all the island like Bora Bora, Fiji Vanuatu , New Caladonia. Could be a nice long 14 nighter.

 

 

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Love to see a itinerary that runs from Hawaii to Australia could stop at all the island like Bora Bora, Fiji Vanuatu , New Caladonia. Could be a nice long 14 nighter.

 

 

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That cruise would sell out on day 1.

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This is going to be a lot of changes with the DCL fleet with a total of 7 vessls. The present 4 vessels are already *Green* ships with most things state of the art/environmentally friendly. Something like all of the items used on the vessels from food waste to paper and cans' date=' only 8 % goes ashore as waste. The rest is all set up to be recycled.

 

The big change with the 3 new ships is DCL is making the next step in environmentally with the propulsion fuel being liquid natural gas..........about the cleanest thing around for ships. I am also glad DCL did not go to the size of the monster vessels out there now.............I just don't like the look or feel of these things!. I also found it interesting the D 23 people were making a big deal about all kinds of new stuff on the 3 new vessels and new adventures, It should be interesting to see what they come up with.

 

The classics are in pretty good shape and not likely to be retired by Disney for 10 or 15 years. My own thoughts is that one classic will go to South American and the other to Europe full time One of the Dream or the new class going to the far east.

 

In any case it will be fun to watch this all unfold.

 

 

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I was hoping you or one of the other nautical experts would chime in. For us laymen, could you briefly explain the difference in the propulsion systems from what is currently used? Thanks.

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While DCL does many things in an environmentally friendly manner, their big problem currently is their fuel. The only ship that consistently scores an A or A- regardless of the scoring agency is the Wonder...and that was required to cruise in Alaska. The Magic scored an F in air pollution and the newer ships a C. There are issues with how they power the ships while in port as well...my limited understanding is that some ships can basically "plug in" to shoreside power and run cleaner while the Magic has to continue to use it's internal systems. Most lines have ships that score very high and ships typically older ships that don't do as well. At least DCL has not been found to deliberately do anything to harm the environment (avoiding the laws, like some cruise lines were caught doing).

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Several thoughts:

1. Disney indicates 7 ships, so in the near term retirement seems unlikely. As someone indicated - 10 to 15 years;

2. While Disney has no presence in South America, they have many passengers from that region. Cruising there may makes sense. Expands the market.

3. A common theme is "Asia". Couple that with the occasional South Pacific itinerary. For DCL, these are new cruise markets, with a new base of passengers who are willing to pay premiums for the kinds of experiences Disney creates. I do not see price compression at DCL.

Lots of opinions in these threads. I would love to see lower prices but I don't see that happening. I never give DCL high marks on value as they need to know their loyal passenger base is price sensitive at some point.

 

 

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This is going to be a lot of changes with the DCL fleet with a total of 7 vessls. The present 4 vessels are already *Green* ships with most things state of the art/environmentally friendly. Something like all of the items used on the vessels from food waste to paper and cans' date=' only 8 % goes ashore as waste. The rest is all set up to be recycled.

 

The big change with the 3 new ships is DCL is making the next step in environmentally with the propulsion fuel being liquid natural gas..........about the cleanest thing around for ships. I am also glad DCL did not go to the size of the monster vessels out there now.............I just don't like the look or feel of these things!. I also found it interesting the D 23 people were making a big deal about all kinds of new stuff on the 3 new vessels and new adventures, It should be interesting to see what they come up with.

 

The classics are in pretty good shape and not likely to be retired by Disney for 10 or 15 years. My own thoughts is that one classic will go to South American and the other to Europe full time One of the Dream or the new class going to the far east.

 

In any case it will be fun to watch this all unfold.

 

 

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if we get one of the classics permanently near us, we'll be in seventh heaven...

right now DCL has a very short european cruise season making it very difficult to find a time to cruise with them (not to mention the high prices on the med/european cruises)......

on the other hand, if they have a ship permanently on this side of the ocean, i'll lose my bucket list dream of a DCL TA.... ;)

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I was hoping you or one of the other nautical experts would chime in. For us laymen, could you briefly explain the difference in the propulsion systems from what is currently used? Thanks.

 

I agree. For me, the mechanical side of the ship is more interesting than the hospitality side.

 

There is a green background graphic on a page from a blog that gives some stats on the Wonder. The graphic lists the Wonder running on a combination of diesel and bunker oil for the 2016 Westbound Panama Canal cruise. I think that diesel (cleaner, more expensive) is for use while in port, and bunker oil (less clean, less expensive) is used while at sea. On the canal cruise, the ratio of diesel to bunker oil on the Wonder was about 1:100.

 

If a new ship is designed to use liquid natural gas, would that be for use only in port (with diesel/bunker oil for use at sea) or all propulsion? In other words, is this about being "green" in port or at all times? I'm not trying to judge whether anyone is truly advocating for the environment. I am just genuinely interested on how these ships operate.

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I agree. For me, the mechanical side of the ship is more interesting than the hospitality side.

 

There is a green background graphic on a page from a blog that gives some stats on the Wonder. The graphic lists the Wonder running on a combination of diesel and bunker oil for the 2016 Westbound Panama Canal cruise. I think that diesel (cleaner, more expensive) is for use while in port, and bunker oil (less clean, less expensive) is used while at sea. On the canal cruise, the ratio of diesel to bunker oil on the Wonder was about 1:100.

 

If a new ship is designed to use liquid natural gas, would that be for use only in port (with diesel/bunker oil for use at sea) or all propulsion? In other words, is this about being "green" in port or at all times? I'm not trying to judge whether anyone is truly advocating for the environment. I am just genuinely interested on how these ships operate.

The situation that they get into is that certain areas of the world and some ports have imposed more stringent standards--if the ships don't meet the standards, they can't cruise or dock in those areas.

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There's going to be massive amounts of speculation about the new ships, where they'll be based, the disposition of the rest of the fleet, but when it comes down to it, it is utterly pointless to make any guesses until the first of the new ships sets sail, in 4 years, then 5 years for the next and 6 years for the final ship. Until then all we can do is wait and see what DCL decides. There's so many factors involved that will have a bearing on what they're going to do with the new ships, I'm sure they already have a long term plan in place, but as Disney does, they always allow for changes. There could be many factors that predicate where they'll finally locate the fleet, political climate in various countries (including the U.S.), economic changes that could send the industry into a tail spin, and of course cost of operating in many ports or countries could be too prohibitive for DCL to even consider them. Sure it's great to wish for itineraries in many new and exciting places but DCL has to stay conscious of their bottom line and to their shareholders about responsible operations. I'm not so much worried about where the ships go as I am about getting more information about the design, features, venues and of course the construction of the ships (from a behind the scenes standpoint) Learning about the ships as they're built might give an indication about their intended use and destinations. Anyway this is just my opinion about the issue.

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There's going to be massive amounts of speculation about the new ships, where they'll be based, the disposition of the rest of the fleet, but when it comes down to it, it is utterly pointless to make any guesses until the first of the new ships sets sail, in 4 years, then 5 years for the next and 6 years for the final ship. Until then all we can do is wait and see what DCL decides. There's so many factors involved that will have a bearing on what they're going to do with the new ships, I'm sure they already have a long term plan in place, but as Disney does, they always allow for changes. There could be many factors that predicate where they'll finally locate the fleet, political climate in various countries (including the U.S.), economic changes that could send the industry into a tail spin, and of course cost of operating in many ports or countries could be too prohibitive for DCL to even consider them. Sure it's great to wish for itineraries in many new and exciting places but DCL has to stay conscious of their bottom line and to their shareholders about responsible operations. I'm not so much worried about where the ships go as I am about getting more information about the design, features, venues and of course the construction of the ships (from a behind the scenes standpoint) Learning about the ships as they're built might give an indication about their intended use and destinations. Anyway this is just my opinion about the issue.

 

 

 

There are too many serious people in this world. I enjoy speculating where they will go. It's called daydreaming. That's how Disney got his start in the first place. With dreaming, no?

 

 

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There's going to be massive amounts of speculation about the new ships, where they'll be based, the disposition of the rest of the fleet, but when it comes down to it, it is utterly pointless to make any guesses until the first of the new ships sets sail, in 4 years, then 5 years for the next and 6 years for the final ship. Until then all we can do is wait and see what DCL decides. There's so many factors involved that will have a bearing on what they're going to do with the new ships, I'm sure they already have a long term plan in place, but as Disney does, they always allow for changes. There could be many factors that predicate where they'll finally locate the fleet, political climate in various countries (including the U.S.), economic changes that could send the industry into a tail spin, and of course cost of operating in many ports or countries could be too prohibitive for DCL to even consider them. Sure it's great to wish for itineraries in many new and exciting places but DCL has to stay conscious of their bottom line and to their shareholders about responsible operations. I'm not so much worried about where the ships go as I am about getting more information about the design, features, venues and of course the construction of the ships (from a behind the scenes standpoint) Learning about the ships as they're built might give an indication about their intended use and destinations. Anyway this is just my opinion about the issue.

You are totally correct that DCL has a plan and probably a couple alternate possibilities ready. However, they do monitor some of the boards and they do take guest feedback into account...whether that feedback is on the boards, on the evaluations at the end of the cruise, on line survey forms, or in other communications with guest relations. They asked questions about Alaska and Med cruises for years on the feedback form before those cruises became reality. It doesn't hurt to put in words what people would like to see, whether it is "just wishing" or whether it is a form of direct communication. It isn't all that different than the Imagineers' Blue Sky sessions--any idea can be voiced and none is wrong or shot down. Essentially put it out there and see if anything sticks.

 

No, I don't really believe that DCL will change their plans based on what they see on internet forums...but they might be presented with some options that they hadn't placed on their "front burner."

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