GUT2407 Posted November 25, 2017 #901 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Good grief, someone was murdered. Why are so many people worried about compensation.....:mad:Bob Because we live in the age of me, me, me.:eek::evilsmile::') Sad isn’t it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare broberts Posted November 25, 2017 #902 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I also was on the ship , near the crime. My opinion is that the company did many things wrong . They could have made several decisions the night of the murder and the next day that would not have affected us in such a negative way. I could go on and on. You had to be there to understand what I mean. Twenty five percent off on a next cruise within the next year is token. Next time there is a murder in my city, how much should I ask off my property taxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAOk1945 Posted November 25, 2017 #903 Share Posted November 25, 2017 For those who may be interested, below is a link to a news article describing some details of the crime. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/utah-woman-killed-alaska-cruise-murder-mystery-dinner-article-1.3364741 This is a very sad situation. My heart goes out to those who are grieving for her death. What is even sadder is the fact that people have complained about being inconvenienced by this tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Woobstr112G Posted November 25, 2017 #904 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Because we live in the age of me, me, me.:eek::evilsmile::') Sad isn’t it. Sad indeed......:( Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Woobstr112G Posted November 25, 2017 #905 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Next time there is a murder in my city, how much should I ask off my property taxes? Don't forget to ask for free cable as well..... Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toofarfromthesea Posted November 25, 2017 #906 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I also was on the ship , near the crime. My opinion is that the company did many things wrong . They could have made several decisions the night of the murder and the next day that would not have affected us in such a negative way. I could go on and on. You had to be there to understand what I mean. Twenty five percent off on a next cruise within the next year is token. No, the answer is not 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satxdiver Posted November 26, 2017 #907 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Next time there is a murder in my city, how much should I ask off my property taxes? Demand at least 20% off and demand they add free cable TV as compensation! :* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satxdiver Posted November 26, 2017 #908 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Today update https://www.yahoo.com/news/prosecutors-won-apos-t-seek-183705644.html Resume: Federal prosecutors will not seek the death penalty & Kenneth Manzanares has pleaded not guilty. Great reference but a little misleading in that he did not push her off the ship nor even attempted to push her off. A witness did say that he was attempting to throw her body off the balcony and was stopped when he then tried to jump off himself but again was stopped. He will probably be charged with some type of involuntary manslaughter since it was not his intention to kill her and does not carry a death sentence. Last I heard was that his lawyers were asking for a postponement of the trail while they complete the discovery phase. Problem is that the lawyers are in Seattle, killer is in Juneau in prison, witnesses are in Utah and the judge is in Anchorage They are going to get some air miles out of this case. We may not hear anything until spring. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle05 Posted November 26, 2017 #909 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Involuntary manslaughter is more meant for legitimate accidents, such as mishandling a firearm and mistakenly shooting someone. The appropriate charge is 2nd degree murder since it wasn't planned/heat of the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare abbydancer2003 Posted November 26, 2017 #910 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Involuntary manslaughter is more meant for legitimate accidents, such as mishandling a firearm and mistakenly shooting someone. The appropriate charge is 2nd degree murder since it wasn't planned/heat of the moment. Or possibly voluntary manslaughter, if they determine that he wasn't trying to actually kill her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairn Mom Posted November 26, 2017 #911 Share Posted November 26, 2017 It sounds like he went crazy and beat her to death-poor woman. I’m surprised that they’re not using an insanity defense. So awful for that family. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemyhusband Posted November 26, 2017 #912 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I contemplated whether or not to start this thread because but I can't quote a news source yet, but from what I've been told by my professional contacts in the area, a woman was killed by her husband last night on board the ship. I'll pass more details as they become public. A press release was supposedly issued, so we should be seeing on-line news sources reporting very soon. This is a true story. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare abbydancer2003 Posted November 26, 2017 #913 Share Posted November 26, 2017 It sounds like he went crazy and beat her to death-poor woman. I’m surprised that they’re not using an insanity defense. So awful for that family. Sent from my iPad using Forums Are we sure they are not? I don't know when you have to state that. Terrible all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI66774 Posted November 26, 2017 #914 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Or possibly voluntary manslaughter, if they determine that he wasn't trying to actually kill her. Voluntary manslaughter typically is intentional killing - usually in the heat of passion, etc. Just depends what the state's statute reflects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNTLAMB Posted November 27, 2017 #915 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Voluntary manslaughter typically is intentional killing - usually in the heat of passion, etc. Just depends what the state's statute reflects. federal statutes are much different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI66774 Posted November 27, 2017 #916 Share Posted November 27, 2017 federal statutes are much different Fed statute is essentially what I wrote. Typically - heat of passion, etc. for voluntary manslaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan Posted November 27, 2017 #917 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I hope for the family's sake the trial goes on in a timely manner and a verdict issued. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsetbeachgal Posted November 28, 2017 #918 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I frequently think of the poor innocent daughters and hoping that they can find peace and happiness in their lives somewhere down the road. Such a terrible tragedy Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalCruzer Posted December 4, 2017 #919 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I hope for the family's sake the trial goes on in a timely manner and a verdict issued. Sent from my iPhone using Forums No trial until Fall or so of 2018... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jym626 Posted December 12, 2017 #920 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Any update? Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDB37 Posted December 12, 2017 #921 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Trial set for 23/4 in Juneau: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5101241/Prosecutors-wont-seek-death-penalty-Alaska-cruise-death.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalCruzer Posted February 23, 2018 #922 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Crew member suing... http://bernews.com/2018/02/crew-member-sues-following-murder-photos/ Trial officially set... http://juneauempire.com/local/news/2...-november-2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeygal54 Posted February 23, 2018 #923 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I read it twice, watched the IE video/report with Deborah Norville and came to the same conclusion as Bob. While I don’t doubt for a moment that this photographer has some issues after this traumatic incident, I also see the point of PCL telling him to take scene photos as evidence. While not in their normal realm of duties I can certainly see why it could be a requirement should such a need arise. I pray this never happens again on any cruise ship. I just got off the Regal a few days ago and can’t imagine the distress of having that happen on our ship. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedpindle Posted February 23, 2018 #924 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Somebody looking for a payday..... Bob The wording of the complaint suggests legal representation of the kind commonly associated with " Ambulance Chasers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo222 Posted February 23, 2018 #925 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I also see the point of PCL telling him to take scene photos as evidence.s I don't. I would think that you would want someone who would be available during the trial, who can then swear that the photographs are a true and accurate representation of the scene. Not some contractor who will probably be unavailable at the time of the trial... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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