Rare BirdTravels Posted April 1, 2018 #51 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I am on the 4/22 sailing, thinking the embarkation would happen more toward 11 than 1130. Boarding usually starts at the "normal" time. 11:00 for Haven and priority guests followed by general boarding. But,,, rooms are available as soon as you board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray98 Posted April 2, 2018 #52 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I'm no expert on the law, clearly, but it's funny how Nassau (180 miles to Miami) doesn't qualify as a distant foreign port, yet the way cruise lines seem to get around this rule for Alaskan cruises is to stop in Victoria, BC (75 miles from Seattle). Huh? You are talking about round trip cruises when what is being discussed is a one way. Cruise ships leave FL all the time and never go further south than the Bahamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray98 Posted April 2, 2018 #53 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Interesting, I knew most of the Caribbean didn't count as a foreign port except for the ABCs, but if Aruba is 1,129 miles point to point from Port of Miami, you'd think Bermuda (1,029 miles point to point from Port of Miami) would qualify as well. Bermuda is still considered part of North America, ABC's are South America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerman2 Posted April 2, 2018 #54 Share Posted April 2, 2018 With all this discussion on which ACTS, what are distant/foreign ports, everyone does realize NCL knows the how, when and why's. But it is interesting to read the different opinions. If NCL would have found a better Financial way to do it you can bet they would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizeemom4 Posted April 2, 2018 #55 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Cruises go from NYC to Port Canaveral year round without stopping in a foreign port first. I’m missing something in this interpretation Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug R. Posted April 2, 2018 #56 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I'm no expert on the law, clearly, but it's funny how Nassau (180 miles to Miami) doesn't qualify as a distant foreign port, yet the way cruise lines seem to get around this rule for Alaskan cruises is to stop in Victoria, BC (75 miles from Seattle). Different situation, the cruise you cite is a closed loop cruise, beginning and ending in the same port. Closed loop cruises only require a stop at a near foreign port, such as Victoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug R. Posted April 2, 2018 #57 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Cruises go from NYC to Port Canaveral year round without stopping in a foreign port first. I’m missing something in this interpretation Sent from my iPhone using Forums They would be illegal if Port Canaveral was the final or only stop. However, these cruises also stop at a foreign port and return to NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug R. Posted April 2, 2018 #58 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Bermuda is still considered part of North America, ABC's are South America. Continental location is not the determining factor. The ABC's are actually in North America (yeah I was surprised too when I read that when researching a stop in Aruba even though they are but a few miles off the SA coast). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray98 Posted April 2, 2018 #59 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Continental location is not the determining factor. The ABC's are actually in North America (yeah I was surprised too when I read that when researching a stop in Aruba even though they are but a few miles off the SA coast). .............. To the east of Aruba are Bonaire and Curaçao, two island territories which once formed the southwest part of the Netherlands Antilles. This group of islands is sometimes called the ABC islands. They are located on the South American continental shelf and therefore geographically listed as part of South America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinIllinois Posted April 2, 2018 #60 Share Posted April 2, 2018 .............. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America#Countries,_territories,_and_dependencies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prwardii Posted April 2, 2018 #61 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Cool,,, the ship will be ready for us to get on. An early boarding I was thinking the same thing! Moving up my arrival time :cool::cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug R. Posted April 2, 2018 #62 Share Posted April 2, 2018 The ABC islands are part of the Leeward Antilles, which is the westernmost area of the Lesser Antilles. They lie immediately to the north of Falcón State, Venezuela. Due to their political history, they are sometimes considered to be part of North America along with the other Caribbean islands, although they lie on South America’s geographical plate; the same phenomenon happens with Trinidad and Tobago. So there is a bit of disagreements depending on the source. The source I cited stated that the ABC's were on the North American plate. Not to bash the poster who posted otherwise, the cite was from Wikipedia which has been known to have unreliable information. In any event, the determining factor for being a distant port is just that, distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlChilders Posted April 2, 2018 #63 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Cruises go from NYC to Port Canaveral year round without stopping in a foreign port first. I’m missing something in this interpretation Sent from my iPhone using Forums But if a passenger disembarked at Port Canaveral and did not return to the ship, the line would be fined. Allegedly this happened recently to a CC poster and the fine was passed on to the passenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xitappers2bx Posted April 6, 2018 #64 Share Posted April 6, 2018 it is common for a ship to sail empty between US ports. Carnival does the same thing when it reposition a ship from FL to NY It's also probably substantially more cost effective without a stop in a foreign port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em-sk Posted April 6, 2018 #65 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Oh that explains everything. What is the reasoning behind that and was it really intended for cruise ships? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk It is old and dates back before airlines existed when passenger travel by ship was common. It protects US flagged ships. The NCL Hawaii route is actually operated by a NCL subsidiary and US flagged. Basically it says a foreign ship can not offer domestic travel in the US. Similar laws apply to airlines. For example, Qantas (an Australian airline) does operate a flight from New York to LAX however it only allowed to sell that flight as part of a ticket containing a connection onto one of its overseas flights out of LAX but not on its own. The same laws also apply to cargo ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmexicoNita Posted April 6, 2018 #66 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I'm actually surprised they didn't try to fill the ship up on a one way trip from FL to NYC. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk It might be a surprise but a 2 day cruise from Fl to NY would not go over well I don't think plus it is a wonderful break for the crew. They work so hard and this gives them a couple of days to relax and rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMESCC Posted April 6, 2018 #67 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Well with what is going on I wouldn't be surprised if we get an attack on the cruise industry that cruise ships should be built here, staffed by US citizens only and if not "huge taxes". Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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