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Hi

 

So, on that cruise you won't be around children, the elderly, or others with compromised immune systems? I guess it's all right, it's not really your problem.

 

Someone else mentioned it already, it's not about you. In this area, during flu season, you generally wouldn't be allowed into a hospital or a nursing home, without a flu shot.

 

There are a lot of people out there that are not as healthy as those that "never get sick". It's really not much different than just caring about your neighbor.

 

Then THEY should get the vaccine. I'll make decisions based on my own assessment as to what is best for me. Others should do likewise, whether that is the same as what I do or not. I'll be darned if I will be guilted into something I don't think is best for me.

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FYI, this is a cruise board, not a nanny board. We are each capable of deciding these things for ourselves, and what we do has nothing to do with cruising.

 

What's next, warning us to renew our car registrations on time?

 

Thank you, well said.

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FYI, this is a cruise board, not a nanny board. We are each capable of deciding these things for ourselves, and what we do has nothing to do with cruising.

 

What's next, warning us to renew our car registrations on time?

 

Touchy, touchy. The beauty of forums like this one is everyone is free to ignore advice. If you don't wish to profit from someone else's experience or knowledge, ignore it. Quoting it just gives it more exposure :).

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Pretty much settle the argument don't you think?

 

Not really. I venture to guess that many readers aren't sure how to accurately interpret such a graph. Does a 19 mean that the vaccine only works 19% of the time? Or only 19% of people who get it avoid the flu? Or it's 19% better at preventing flu versus not doing anything?

 

Statistics are tricky. It's far better to read the actual text that CDC uses in the same area of their website:

 

"While determining how well a flu vaccine works is challenging, in general, recent studies have supported the conclusion that flu vaccination benefits public health, especially when the flu vaccine is well matched to circulating flu viruses."

 

and

 

"Flu vaccine prevents millions of illnesses and flu-related doctor’s visits each year. For example, during 2016-2017, flu vaccination prevented an estimated 5.3 million influenza illnesses, 2.6 million influenza-associated medical visits, and 85,000 influenza-associated hospitalizations.

 

In seasons when the vaccine viruses matched circulating strains, flu vaccine has been shown to reduce the risk of having to go to the doctor with flu by 30 percent to 60 percent."

 

People who haven't lived through a flu epidemic don't understand how bad it can be. Herd immunity only works as a concept if most of the herd gets immunized.

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Touchy, touchy. The beauty of forums like this one is everyone is free to ignore advice. If you don't wish to profit from someone else's experience or knowledge, ignore it. Quoting it just gives it more exposure :).

 

Very true. Guess that some of us just don't like being preached to.

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Very true. Guess that some of us just don't like being preached to.

 

Expressing an opinion is not preaching.

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Many years ago , (about 1969), I had Asiian flu as a young very healthy woman and i felt so rotten, , i ohpe I never again h ave a bad case of flu.

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Then THEY should get the vaccine. I'll make decisions based on my own assessment as to what is best for me. Others should do likewise, whether that is the same as what I do or not. I'll be darned if I will be guilted into something I don't think is best for me.

If you don't, please stay out of any health care facilities, church, school, or any locations with one or more people not related to you.

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I'm with you. I got one a couple years ago and was sick as a dog for 3 days. Never got sick before or since. And i travel all over the country so I'm exposed to many many many different folks every day. The only thing I will disagree with you on in we over medicate not vaccinate. If anyone doesn't agree, just turn on the tv for 30 min and see how many drug ads there are. There is a pill or drug for everything these days. As Bill Mahr once said...he's not your doctor he is your dealer. (sorry about the rant).

Feeling bad for 3 days isn't close to feeling hit by a truck for 2 weeks.

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The CDC doesn't track flu deaths in people over 65 so people would be shocked to find out about many grannies died because the grandkids passed the flu to them.

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I do wish those making such arguments would stop and consider just how foolish the argument is. Would he/she be accepting of a first responder refusing them treatment because is was only effective fifty percent of the time?

If I were not injured and didn't need treatment then I would then absolutely accept the refusal of a first responder. He/she should put his talents to someone who needs it.

 

It is the same with the flu shot. I don't need it. People who are at greater risk should get the flu shot. Those of us who have never had the flu can make our own decisions

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Feeling bad for 3 days isn't close to feeling hit by a truck for 2 weeks.

 

 

 

Yes!! Anyone who states “I don’t need the flu shot” never actually had the flu.

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Many years ago , (about 1969), I had Asiian flu as a young very healthy woman and i felt so rotten, , i ohpe I never again h ave a bad case of flu.

 

Your post made me smile - for all the wrong reasons. I think that was a bad year for the flu. I too was young and healthy - had only lived here for a couple of years. Had been home to England to visit my parents and probably picked up the flu somewhere.

 

Local newspaper used my picture and story about how the flu spread. I was checked by several doctors after my doctor reported I had been out of the country.

 

I have had a few colds/bugs over the years, but I don’t ever want to be that sick again. Still remember how sick I was, off work for a long time, and felt rotten for weeks. Everyone saying “it’s just the flu!” but it’s a heck of a lot more serious in many cases.

 

I can certainly see why it’s dangerous for the very young and old.

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I increase my consumption of red wine during the winter months to save off viruses and colds.

 

It seems to be working for me as I really don't feel any symptoms if I even get sick.:)

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If I were not injured and didn't need treatment then I would then absolutely accept the refusal of a first responder. He/she should put his talents to someone who needs it.

 

Don't be willfully obtuse, needing treatment was clearly implied.

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People in high risk groups should take necessary precautions and not depend on the kindness of strangers. I'm not going to rush out and get a flu shot simply because moralizing busybodies declare it is a social obligation.

 

Not surprised at your attitude. You take the low road on just about every discussion on these boards. :rolleyes:I hope to never run across you on a cruise. Having to come into contact with your nasty disposition would certainly ruin my day.

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If you don't, please stay out of any health care facilities, church, school, or any locations with one or more people not related to you.

 

How about I live my life and you live yours.

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Don't be willfully obtuse, needing treatment was clearly implied.

Then your first responder comparison fails. In that case there is a concrete and identifiable need for the individual. In the case of the flu shot the need of the individual is abstract and more uncertain.

 

Not surprised at your attitude. You take the low road on just about every discussion on these boards. :rolleyes:I hope to never run across you on a cruise. Having to come into contact with your nasty disposition would certainly ruin my day.

We would get along fine until you reverted to your usual overbearing, self-righteous, condescending behavior. Then both our days would be ruined.

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People in high risk groups should take necessary precautions and not depend on the kindness of strangers. I'm not going to rush out and get a flu shot simply because moralizing busybodies declare it is a social obligation.

 

 

Yes. Exactly. It's not my problem. Why should I do anything about it?

 

Yes. We have come a long way.

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Not surprised at your attitude. You take the low road on just about every discussion on these boards. :rolleyes:I hope to never run across you on a cruise. Having to come into contact with your nasty disposition would certainly ruin my day.

 

We would get along fine until you reverted to your usual overbearing, self-righteous, condescending behavior. Then both our days would be ruined.

I have never ever believed a thread should be closed down . Not once ! Yet this one has turned from informative to personal and harsh . Perhaps there is nothing new to say .

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I have never ever believed a thread should be closed down . Not once ! Yet this one has turned from informative to personal and harsh . Perhaps there is nothing new to say .

 

I think you are right, but I just can't stop myself (the devil made me do it:evilsmile::evilsmile:). Some people are just plain selfish, always have been, always will be. The internet just gives them a platform to shout it out (proudly!) to the world.

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Statement/Question: "Simply because moralizing busybodies declare it is a social obligation". Is it a social obligation to cover your mouth when you cough, sneeze, and put bodily fluids in the air at your dinner table on the cruise ? Is it a social obligation to have the cook & waiter keep his/her fingers out of your food ? Is it a social obligation to pull hair from your food by the waiter, when they see it ? Point is, some dangers we can readily identify / see, and others are much more difficult to understand the dangers. There are short term dangers and long term dangers, just anybody that has done their expat assignment in India and/or China !

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I've never gotten the flu shot. I always thought I would when I worked in a preschool but never did. Has never occurred to me to do it before going on a cruise

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I've never gotten the flu shot. I always thought I would when I worked in a preschool but never did. Has never occurred to me to do it before going on a cruise

Getting it before cruising is as much as about not being able to cruise because you are sick as it is about the increased chance for exposure.

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There are some people who if coming across a person on the ground in serious distress, would simply step over them and continue on their way - unless there was something to be gained for themselves, of course. Unfortunately, several of these people have posted on this thread.

 

Being a health care professional, I have seen the sad results of preventable flu deaths. People should take this more seriously, both for themselves, and as a responsible member of whatever community they are participating in at the time. Remember, viruses, such as the flu, are spread through tiny droplets in the air that are released when a sick person sneezes, coughs, or blows their nose. A person can also catch viruses if they touch their nose, eyes, or mouth after touching something contaminated by someone who has the virus, such as doorknobs, handrails, chair arms, etc.

 

In the end, in most cases the flu virus is spread by people who have not been vaccinated against the flu and even though they do not know it because "I have never gotten the flue", they actually have a very mild infection that they then spread to other people.

 

People who refuse the vaccine are in most cases the carriers.

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Feeling bad for 3 days isn't close to feeling hit by a truck for 2 weeks.

 

 

While I somewhat agree with your observation about so medicine ads, I also think,,,,,,,,,,,, If someone has dreadful disease for which one of those meds is providing beneficial treatment, then it is NOT TOO many.

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Not everyone can get the shot. The more people who opt out because they don't feel like it, the more at risk those people who are precluded from the vaccination are.

 

You are right, Some people cannot get a flu shot and they are naturally at risk.

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There are some people who if coming across a person on the ground in serious distress, would simply step over them and continue on their way - unless there was something to be gained for themselves, of course. Unfortunately, several of these people have posted on this thread.

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You can also blame it on the litigation world we live in. Sometimes it's best to simply dial 911 and not get involved on things that don't personally concern you.

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You can also blame it on the litigation world we live in. Sometimes it's best to simply dial 911 and not get involved on things that don't personally concern you.

 

Sad. When caring about others is superseded with the paranoid fear of litigation, society has clearly devolved.

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A very good riend is an infectious disesase doc We had plans to sail a ship that had jusf nished up from a noro oubreak... doc's answer was, NO, don't cancel. People die from flu but not Noro

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Maybe there are some localized shortages b ut hardly nation wide. CVS stores in our area have been giving free flu shots for weeks and continue to now. If there was a shortage, my guess would be they would try for good profits. and charge accordingly

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Sad. When caring about others is superseded with the paranoid fear of litigation, society has clearly devolved.

 

It's a free country we live in. Write to your congressman if you want the law changed.

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Most insurance won't cover it unless you're 60 or older. On your own the older vaccin was over $200.

 

I get my flu shots at the grocery store pharmacy. Coupons!

 

They knocked me on my backside for about 48 hours, but they are 95% effective, and 48 hours of feeling yucky is better than 48 minutes of shingles.

 

Some insurances do cover the new shingles shots 100% even if under 60 years old. Thank goodness ours did. It is suggested for 50 and over. We also felt like we had the flu after it for about 24 hours, both times. Our pharmacist said he felt the same way.

 

As for the flu shot, we get ours every year. I have had to have it for my job for many years or else do patient care with a mask on all season. No thank you! My son refused to get it saying he has never had the flu, which is true. I feel to each their own...

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It's a free country we live in. Write to your congressman if you want the law changed.

 

Perhaps I was a bit premature with my comment. I should have said "Sad. When all that people care about is themselves only, society has clearly devolved" - as you are proving. :rolleyes:

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Had my flu shot already. Available and recommended September 1 at my doctor’s office.

 

Dr. also recommended re-doing shingles shot. Had shingles and also the old shot. New shot is waitlisted at my clinic/pharmacy. It’s also expensive. I have a Medicare Advantage plan and copay is $160 for each shot and you need two shots.

 

It was free on my Medicare Advantage plan - the same as other vaccinations. I messaged the doctor to ask about it last Friday because I learned about the new shingles vaccine from this thread. He said I should get it and that they had it in supply even though there is a national shortage. Got it this morning.

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It was free on my Medicare Advantage plan - the same as other vaccinations. I messaged the doctor to ask about it last Friday because I learned about the new shingles vaccine from this thread. He said I should get it and that they had it in supply even though there is a national shortage. Got it this morning.

 

Glad you were able to take care of and that you didn't have to pay a hefty copay. I know clinics and pharmacies in this area cannot give an estimated time frame. Copay is probably dependent on individual plans.

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