Royal's MDR "Suggestions" and "Reccomendations" Are Lost On The Mass Market Steerage

[clean1owner]

14 hours ago, payitforward said:

So, when we're stuck in a cloud of smoke, nobody is forcing us to breathe? You're right, we could just hold our breath all week. Great idea. There is absolutely no correlation between people smoking around me and people dressing like slobs around me. While I may not enjoy seeing people dressing like slobs, they don't stink up the air and fill my lungs with crap. As a former smoker, I understand your beliefs. However, once you quit and discover how disgusting the smell is, it is not something you would ever choose to be around.

 

 

Where, on todays ships, are you in a cloud of smoke?

 

 

[Mikew0805]

7 hours ago, rusty nut said:

It's not just the dress code. It's the entitlement attitudes of these exact same people who are on a cruise they probably can't afford anyway. Do the tee-shirts and shorts bother me in the MDR? Of course they do because these are the same people that are going to be cutting in front of me in line and bursting onto an elevator before anybody gets off. These will be the most inconsiderate passengers on the ship, you'll see.

I love tee-shirts and shorts. I don't cut in front of anyone, and I always wait until those that need to exit the elevator do so, before I go in. In fact, I am usually verbal to the ones that don't. Also... I can afford as many cruises as I want. 

 

So much for your theory.

[Mikew0805]

21 hours ago, clean1owner said:

 

 

For the same reason you let smokers and vapers bother you. 

I don't personally smoke or vape, but they are using a legal product and I'm not bothered if they want to shorten their lifespan.

False equivalence. Smoking is detrimental to the health of those around you. The way someone dresses does not affect your health at all. 

[clean1owner]

5 hours ago, KimPossible1 said:

You clearly are not able to understand how your posts could be insulting, so just keep posting away, you only make yourself look bad.  Differing opinions don't bother me, and neither does what people wear, how much they spend on vacation, or their table manners.  

  

 

Just because you are offended, it doesn't make you right.

[clean1owner]

5 hours ago, wytygr8 said:

 

 

If you're going that route, you should never put your bread on your plate and should put it on the table next to your plate.

 

 

 

Actually, there is a plate provided, as well as a separate knife for your bread. 

[Mikew0805]

 

5 hours ago, little britain said:

The 2 things that I see that really bug me ......  baseball caps (either forward or backward) which should never be worn at a dining room table, at any time of day;  and you should never cut your bread roll with your knife...you should break it.

 

5 hours ago, wytygr8 said:

 

 

If you're going that route, you should never put your bread on your plate and should put it on the table next to your plate.

 

I don't care about the hats, it's visual and I can ignore if I do not like what I see. 

 

However, this bread thing... what?? I always cut my bread with the knife, and I will not stop doing that. How in the name of all that is good, could anyone possibly care how one slices/breaks their bread. Seriously, I do not have enough free time in my life that I can scrutinize what other people are doing, especially when none of it affects me. I couldn't tell you how anyone at any table I have ever sat at (cruise or otherwise) cuts their roll/bread. 

 

 

[Mikew0805]

5 hours ago, little britain said:

The 2 things that I see that really bug me ......  baseball caps (either forward or backward) which should never be worn at a dining room table, at any time of day;  and you should never cut your bread roll with your knife...you should break it.

Oh and my above comment is not directed at you... It was a general comment. I had never heard of anything like this.

[wytygr8]

2 minutes ago, Mikew0805 said:

 

 

I don't care about the hats, it's visual and I can ignore if I do not like what I see. 

 

However, this bread thing... what?? I always cut my bread with the knife, and I will not stop doing that. How in the name of all that is good, could anyone possibly care how one slices/breaks their bread. Seriously, I do not have enough free time in my life that I can scrutinize what other people are doing, especially when none of it affects me. I couldn't tell you how anyone at any table I have ever sat at (cruise or otherwise) cuts their roll/bread. 

 

 

 

Two parts to this that are separate but not entirely. It's about having shared butter, jam, or whatever. You use your butter knife to get butter out of the shared supply and put it on the side of your plate. You don't touch it to the bread or other food so that the next time you get butter, you don't contaminate the supply. Then, you're supposed tear off bite sized pieces and dip them in your butter. Bite sized pieces because anything that goes near your mouth is supposed to go in it, which minimizes your mouth germs from getting onto your plate and once again potentially back into a common supply. Also much less likely to "spray" anything if you're not tearing your bread or other food with your mouth.

[clean1owner]

17 minutes ago, payitforward said:

The casinos for one. But, that wasn't the point. You said "nobody is forcing you to breathe in second hand smoke." You couldn't be more wrong. If I have to be around you, and you're smoking, you ARE forcing me to breathe it in. There is absolutely no comparison between how someone LOOKS and how they SMELL. When you stink, and I have to ride next to you on an elevator, I am forced to breathe it in. When someone tries to walk down the side of the pool deck where smoking is allowed, they are forced to breathe it in. If someone decides the rules don't apply to them and smokes on their balcony while I'm trying to enjoy mine, they have just encroached on my right to enjoy mine. I don't have to look at you, but if you're in my space, I am forced to smell you. I get that you don't think the smell is that bad. When I was a smoker, I used to call them "whiny non-smoking Bas****s." But, once I had been smoke free for long enough to be able to smell it, I was embarrassed to know I used to smell that way to others. My whole point is that they are two completely different things. One encroaches on the rights of others. One does not. I have never heard of anyone who is allergic to seeing someone under dressed. I can't say the same for second hand smoke.

 

 

 

1. Nobody forcing you into the Casino. If you don't like the smoke, stay out.  You can walk down the side of the ship where smoking is not allowed, thereby not being "forced" to breathe it in.

 

2. If your perfume / cologne  / BO stinks and I have to tide next to you in an elevator, I am forced to breathe it in. Or either one of us could choose to take the stairs

 

3. If your awful perfume smell comes from your balcony to mine, you have just encroached on my right to enjoy mine.

 

 

[Mikew0805]

2 hours ago, Sitzmark said:

it may be the only product there that uses a fresh egg, but it still tastes like it was made by Goodyear.  I will admit that in the many years since I've eaten at a McDonalds, they may have improved, but I'm not willing to take a chance on it.

That has been a real egg since at least the mid 90's when I worked there. Hated cracking them. 

[Mikew0805]

7 minutes ago, wytygr8 said:

 

Two parts to this that are separate but not entirely. It's about having shared butter, jam, or whatever. You use your butter knife to get butter out of the shared supply and put it on the side of your plate. You don't touch it to the bread or other food so that the next time you get butter, you don't contaminate the supply. Then, you're supposed tear off bite sized pieces and dip them in your butter. Bite sized pieces because anything that goes near your mouth is supposed to go in it, which minimizes your mouth germs from getting onto your plate and once again potentially back into a common supply. Also much less likely to "spray" anything if you're not tearing your bread or other food with your mouth.

Thanks for that... you lost me at "shared butter, jam, or whatever."  I guess that is why I never thought of this, as there is no way I would share that with someone other than my partner. 

[payitforward]

14 minutes ago, clean1owner said:

 

 

1. Nobody forcing you into the Casino. If you don't like the smoke, stay out.  You can walk down the side of the ship where smoking is not allowed, thereby not being "forced" to breathe it in.

 

2. If your perfume / cologne  / BO stinks and I have to tide next to you in an elevator, I am forced to breathe it in. Or either one of us could choose to take the stairs

 

3. If your awful perfume smell comes from your balcony to mine, you have just encroached on my right to enjoy mine.

 

 

Still not the same.

1.  If I have to stay out of the casino, you are now infringing on my right to do something I enjoy. 
2. I don't wear perfume, I take regular showers, and taking the stairs is not an option - since I am disabled. So, if you CHOOSE to take the elevator, I am forced to smell you.
3. Someone would really have to be wearing some strong perfume to be smelled from someone else's balcony. Perfume doesn't carry in the air like smoke does, and perfume does not impact one's health the way smoke does.

You're trying to compare smoking to what someone wears, and they are just not equal comparisons at all. I don't disagree with the posters who would like to see others dress a bit nicer, but what someone else wears in no way infringes on my right to breathe.

 

I should also mention that this thread was never about smoking in the first place. You're just trying to make it that way, and I'm trying to show you that you're comparing apples to oranges.

 

Edited January 10, 2019 by payitforward

[wytygr8]

1 minute ago, Mikew0805 said:

Thanks for that... you lost me at "shared butter, jam, or whatever."  I guess that is why I never thought of this, as there is no way I would share that with someone other than my partner. 

 

You've never been at a big family dinner or something where various dishes and condiments were passed around? It's certainly much less of a thing than it was 100 years ago, but it's still a thing.

[wytygr8]

13 minutes ago, clean1owner said:

 

 

1. Nobody forcing you into the Casino. If you don't like the smoke, stay out.  You can walk down the side of the ship where smoking is not allowed, thereby not being "forced" to breathe it in.

 

2. If your perfume / cologne  / BO stinks and I have to tide next to you in an elevator, I am forced to breathe it in. Or either one of us could choose to take the stairs

 

3. If your awful perfume smell comes from your balcony to mine, you have just encroached on my right to enjoy mine.

 

 

 

Are you really trying to compare a perfume you find distasteful to actual poison?

[Mikew0805]

1 minute ago, wytygr8 said:

 

You've never been at a big family dinner or something where various dishes and condiments were passed around? It's certainly much less of a thing than it was 100 years ago, but it's still a thing.

Dishes, yes. Condiments, no. Dishes are okay, because they have their own serving utensil.  I could easily see the knife bread reference if everyone is getting butter etc., from the same place. I just have never been a part of that. 

[payitforward]

6 minutes ago, wytygr8 said:

 

Are you really trying to compare a perfume you find distasteful to actual poison?

Apparently he/she is. Gotta defend smoking "to the death." LOL And the screen name amuses me since I was test-driving used cars earlier in the year. I opened the door to one, and the smell of smoke was so strong I didn't even get in it. lol

Edited January 10, 2019 by payitforward

[clean1owner]

5 minutes ago, payitforward said:

Still not the same.

1.  If I have to stay out of the casino, you are now infringing on my right to do something I enjoy. 
2. I don't wear perfume, I take regular showers, and taking the stairs is not an option - since I am disabled. So, if you CHOOSE to take the elevator, I am forced to smell you.
3. Someone would really have to be wearing some strong perfume to be smelled from someone else's balcony. Perfume doesn't carry in the air like smoke does, and perfume does not impact one's health the way smoke does.

You're trying to compare smoking to what someone wears, and they are just not equal comparisons at all. I don't disagree with the posters who would like to see others dress a bit nicer, but what someone else wears in no way infringes on my right to breathe.

 

 

Why are your rights more important than mine?

8 minutes ago, payitforward said:

Still not the same.

1.  If I have to stay out of the casino, you are now infringing on my right to do something I enjoy. 
2. I don't wear perfume, I take regular showers, and taking the stairs is not an option - since I am disabled. So, if you CHOOSE to take the elevator, I am forced to smell you.
3. Someone would really have to be wearing some strong perfume to be smelled from someone else's balcony. Perfume doesn't carry in the air like smoke does, and perfume does not impact one's health the way smoke does.

You're trying to compare smoking to what someone wears, and they are just not equal comparisons at all. I don't disagree with the posters who would like to see others dress a bit nicer, but what someone else wears in no way infringes on my right to breathe.

 

 

With a breeze in the right direction, I can smell my neighbors perfume seconds after she has walked out the door.

 

When I get into the elevator at work,  I know who was in it just before me by the perfume / cologne smell left in there.

[payitforward]

Just now, clean1owner said:

 

 

Why are your rights more important than mine?

They aren't. I don't have the right to poison people any more than you do. When what you are doing infringes on those around you, that's where your rights end.

 

Just now, clean1owner said:

 

 

With a breeze in the right direction, I can smell my neighbors perfume seconds after she has walked out the door.

 

When I get into the elevator at work,  I know who was in it just before me by the perfume / cologne smell left in there.

Perfume still won't kill you. I am not a fan of perfume either, but it doesn't poison me.

[clean1owner]

7 minutes ago, wytygr8 said:

 

Are you really trying to compare a perfume you find distasteful to actual poison?

 

 

I'm trying to show that for every objection people have against smokers, there are equal ones for other offensive habits. So we can either accept that we will come across things we don't like, and just deal with it, or go on a CC rant about how the Cruise Lines should ban it.

 

[Ukigirl]

Come on people, you’re on a damn cruise. We book two a year, do the countdown dance as we look forward to no working, no cooking, no cleaning, no worries.  You want to wear flip flops? Go ahead, won’t ruin my vacation. Want to wear shorts? Won’t ruin my vacation. Ok, I do get annoyed by chair hogs but still manage to get over it once I have a cocktail in my hand.   Just ......get over it.

[clean1owner]

7 minutes ago, payitforward said:

Apparently he/she is. Gotta defend smoking "to the death." LOL

 

 

Smoking is a legal activity and smokers have just as many "rights" as non smokers.

[clean1owner]

16 minutes ago, payitforward said:

Still not the same.

1.  If I have to stay out of the casino, you are now infringing on my right to do something I enjoy. 
2. I don't wear perfume, I take regular showers, and taking the stairs is not an option - since I am disabled. So, if you CHOOSE to take the elevator, I am forced to smell you.
3. Someone would really have to be wearing some strong perfume to be smelled from someone else's balcony. Perfume doesn't carry in the air like smoke does, and perfume does not impact one's health the way smoke does.

You're trying to compare smoking to what someone wears, and they are just not equal comparisons at all. I don't disagree with the posters who would like to see others dress a bit nicer, but what someone else wears in no way infringes on my right to breathe.

 

 

Smoking in no way infringes on your right to breathe. You can easily avoid it all cruise long.

[payitforward]

4 minutes ago, clean1owner said:

 

 

Smoking is a legal activity and smokers have just as many "rights" as non smokers.

Not in most places. In most states, it is illegal to smoke in restaurants or even bars. Hell, before I quit smoking 20 years ago I was forced to go outside of my workplace into a parking garage or little "hut." It is still illegal to smoke on your balcony, and there are consequences for doing so. It is NOT, however illegal to wear sloppy clothes in the MDR. So again, your comparison fails to stand up. The funny thing is, smoking doesn't even bother me enough to keep me out of the casino. I've only been trying to show you that smoking is not the same thing as wearing sloppy clothes, but you're so invested in trying to tell people why smoking is okay that you can't even see it.

 

Edited January 10, 2019 by payitforward

[clean1owner]

1 minute ago, payitforward said:

Not in most places. In most states, it is illegal to smoke in restaurants or even bars. Hell, before I quit smoking 20 years ago I was forced to go outside of my workplace into a parking garage or little "hut." It is still illegal to smoke on your balcony, and there are consequences for doing so. It is NOT, however illegal to wear sloppy clothes in the MDR. So again, your comparison fails to stand up.

 

 

You are confusing rights with regulations. And with the current smoking regulations aboard ships, you can completely avoid cigarette smoke and not be "forced to breathe it."  Any place where smoking is allowed, you can easily avoid. 

 

And any complaint you may have about the "Smell" you have to endure is no different than perfume, cologne, or the absolute worse, BO.

[payitforward]

4 minutes ago, clean1owner said:

 

 

You are confusing rights with regulations. And with the current smoking regulations aboard ships, you can completely avoid cigarette smoke and not be "forced to breathe it."  Any place where smoking is allowed, you can easily avoid. 

 

And any complaint you may have about the "Smell" you have to endure is no different than perfume, cologne, or the absolute worse, BO.

Once again you fail to see the fact that it's not a valid comparison. That said, there is no point in arguing with you anymore when you clearly don't understand why. You've taken a thread about a dress code and tried to use it to further your personal agenda. That doesn't make it relevant.

Edited January 10, 2019 by payitforward