Escape listed last night 03/03/19

[RedwingHockeyFan]

I makes sense that anyone who is used to standing on flat level ground the whole time would tend to over estimate a 10 degree tilt.  Having never felt that before could make them feel like they were on the verge of tipping.  I was trying to think how I would be experiencing that and I honestly think that I would have been scared out of my mind since it had never happed to me before.

[chengkp75]

9 minutes ago, RedwingHockeyFan said:

I makes sense that anyone who is used to standing on flat level ground the whole time would tend to over estimate a 10 degree tilt.  Having never felt that before could make them feel like they were on the verge of tipping.  I was trying to think how I would be experiencing that and I honestly think that I would have been scared out of my mind since it had never happed to me before.

Exactly.  Another example, stand with your heels against a wall.  Assuming you are close to 6 feet tall, lean out away from the wall until someone can put a ruler (1 foot) behind your head to the wall (probably need to have someone holding your chest up at this point as well).  But, to me, that's just another day at sea, and I've got to keep working.  You tie down things you are lifting on a hoist, and you keep a grip on your soup bowl at meal times, but its not a big deal.  As I said, I commiserate with this person, but was trying to show that her "fact" that the ship was over "way more than 10*" for 5 minutes was probably not accurate. 

[NormanW]

Only the VDR dump will reveal what happened. 😉

 

Cheers,

 

Norman

[chengkp75]

1 minute ago, NormanW said:

Only the VDR dump will reveal what happened. 😉

 

Cheers,

 

Norman

And since this is not a "serious marine incident", there won't be a VDR dump, it will be recorded over.

[Outerdog]

I'm just delighted to see that we've gotten this back to a much more reasonable, if inaccurate, estimate of 10 degrees. The original statements of 45 degrees that made the rounds in the media were disturbingly absurd, bordering on irresponsible "journalism".

 

[RedwingHockeyFan]

3 minutes ago, Outerdog said:

I'm just delighted to see that we've gotten this back to a much more reasonable, if inaccurate, estimate of 10 degrees. The original statements of 45 degrees that made the rounds in the media were disturbingly absurd, bordering on irresponsible "journalism".

 

 

Yes, that is just dumb.  I'm curious as to what is the max something can lean before people can no longer stand.

[Njkrewzer]

The ship listed 16 degress. This is straight from the Captain's mouth the next night at the Captains Party

[chengkp75]

9 minutes ago, RedwingHockeyFan said:

 

Yes, that is just dumb.  I'm curious as to what is the max something can lean before people can no longer stand.

A lot of that will depend on how you are standing (feet together, one foot in front of another), what surface you are standing on, whether you count stepping forward to be "standing", and what your body looks like.  This is because it all comes down to center of gravity.  If your center of gravity is within your "base" (the area of ground you are supported on (the area between your feet), then you will be stable.  Once the lean is so pronounced that your center of gravity gets outside the base, then you either fall forward or step forward to re-establish a new base.  This is the "critical tipping angle", and for a person, it can vary because you can lean backwards to change your center of gravity over your base, and other factors.

[RedwingHockeyFan]

12 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

A lot of that will depend on how you are standing (feet together, one foot in front of another), what surface you are standing on, whether you count stepping forward to be "standing", and what your body looks like.  This is because it all comes down to center of gravity.  If your center of gravity is within your "base" (the area of ground you are supported on (the area between your feet), then you will be stable.  Once the lean is so pronounced that your center of gravity gets outside the base, then you either fall forward or step forward to re-establish a new base.  This is the "critical tipping angle", and for a person, it can vary because you can lean backwards to change your center of gravity over your base, and other factors.

 

But taking all those factors into account, there is still a max.  And I doubt it is anywhere near 45 degrees

[graphicguy]

If anyone is interested in the entire pictorial review of the cruise, you can find it here....

 

 

[RedwingHockeyFan]

DaCruiseBug has just informed me that only NCL cruise ships list.

[chengkp75]

1 hour ago, RedwingHockeyFan said:

 

But taking all those factors into account, there is still a max.  And I doubt it is anywhere near 45 degrees

I know that it is fairly easy to stand on a 30* grade, bit more difficult to walk up it though.  I've known people who have stood at 40*+- on a ship during rolls.  I've spent many a day walking in the corner of the deck at a wall, then moving across the passageway to the other corner.  One difference from leaning to simulate a roll, is that when the surface you are standing on is what is moving, gravity is still acting down through your feet, so the main concern is the surface friction between your shoes and the deck.

[NEcruiser7515]

Think ABC news exaggerating tilt? If it tilted this much wouldn’t there be some water coming in on deck 6? 

[IHeartRome]

1 hour ago, Njkrewzer said:

The ship listed 16 degress. This is straight from the Captain's mouth the next night at the Captains Party

 

Interesting, so the Captain himself asserted that it was more than 10°. That was my personal experience as well, although I did not have any tools to be able to submit measurements or evidence here. I appreciate your kindness in passing this specific information along to us. 

 

 

 

 

[NormanW]

Of course the (news) exaggerates greatly. 

They do this with everything from politics to climate! 😉

 

Calling a ship a boat certainly gets some credibility haircut.  Even if it's over pedantic, it shouldn't happen.  (Ditto with daylight savings time [sic])

 

16° is certainly believable.  Of course without frequency and period its not exactly useful. 😉

 

BAC can certainly be a factor when it comes to sea legs and tales of experience too. 🙂

 

Cheers,

 

Norman

[NormanW]

54 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

I know that it is fairly easy to stand on a 30* grade, bit more difficult to walk up it though.  I've known people who have stood at 40*+- on a ship during rolls.  I've spent many a day walking in the corner of the deck at a wall, then moving across the passageway to the other corner.  One difference from leaning to simulate a roll, is that when the surface you are standing on is what is moving, gravity is still acting down through your feet, so the main concern is the surface friction between your shoes and the deck.

 

When the deck suddenly "falls away" from your feet is an attention getter too, being far forward during heavy pitching taking green water over the bow.  Heck of a ride and not fun for most for sure. 

Star / Dawn class ships with the Spinnaker lounge with waves on top of waves, good times indeed.

 

Cheers,

 

Norman

[umpire56]

Let me start by saying some of the comments on this thread are so insensitive and some just flat out untrue. I believe depending where you were on the ship, determined the impact felt.   I was on the ship with my husband on Deck 6 in Headliners in the first row which is port side of the ship, the direction it listed.    There was minimal rocking on the ship considering it was raining pretty hard Immediately before the listing, there was a pretty significant vibration and you immediately felt something was wrong.  I stood up and was knocked down along with my husband and the ship began to tilt very slowly and then it kept going.  All of the tables and chairs slid into us and pinned us to the front of the stage area.  It was terrifying not being able to move and yes it did feel like the ship was going to keep rolling. When the pitching stopped it felt like we hung there for a bit almost like we were bobbing. When it went back to level it felt like we were still bobbing and then it felt like the engines were shut off.   I don't care what the number of the degree it pitched.  It pitched enough that some people were injured, Physically, emotionally,  cut by glass, stitches, broken shattered bones unconscious people, and I can go on.  And it was more than a few.  Passengers who were nurses or the like, volunteered to triage. I was in the infirmiry and know what I saw and witnessed first hand. The staff were terrified themselves and did an excellent job trying to remain calm and keep their patients calm.  Not to mention that first hand from NCL staff, over 200 employees were injured.  Be thankful that you were in a better place on the ship where you were able to consider what you hear as an exaggeration. Be respectful of those who were not. And for all you know it alls who are saying that you know for a fact that life jackets are in the stateroom well not on this ship on this sailing. They were not in the room and in fact announced at the muster drill that they would be in your muster area in the event of emergency.  I'll end my rant by saying that I felt bad for the crew because they were left clueless as we were and tried their best to help people.  And for the person who said that the passenger who claimed their stateroom was in shambles and was staged, my room was on deck 14 starboard and when I was brought back to my room by the infirmiry, my room was also in shambles and was quickly cleaned up by 4 crew members at 330 am that were called by security who probably got no sleep that night. Sorry for the long post but I just had to say my piece.  

[Zbayette]

On ‎3‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 10:00 AM, MrMike45 said:

Is there any confirmation anywhere about a 200-250 pound slot machine flipping over and landing on a woman?  That sounds rather extreme even given what happened 

Now that my daughter has returned and I could talk to her about her experience; she confirmed that she saw the woman sitting on the floor next to the slot machine that fell on her and her head was all bloody.  As a doctor she went to see if she could help, but the ship's medical staff was already aiding her.

[Two Wheels Only]

23 hours ago, RedwingHockeyFan said:

 

I'm curious as to what is the max something can lean before people can no longer stand.

 

 

Depends on skill level...or if something is bolted to the floor.

[MrMike45]

32 minutes ago, Zbayette said:

Now that my daughter has returned and I could talk to her about her experience; she confirmed that she saw the woman sitting on the floor next to the slot machine that fell on her and her head was all bloody.  As a doctor she went to see if she could help, but the ship's medical staff was already aiding her.

 

I don't want to say that your daughter was mistaken or exaggerating but....

 

You are the only one reporting that a 250 pound slot machine "fell over on a woman's head".  Others have reported that the woman stumbled and hit her head on a slot machine, which makes sense.  But a 16 degree list (as reported by the captain) is hardly enough to topple a 250 metal device.  Let alone that the slot machines are usually connected, and somehow this machine is the only one that toppled over.  But who knows, maybe it happened and no one else saw it.  

[Zbayette]

12 minutes ago, MrMike45 said:

 

I don't want to say that your daughter was mistaken or exaggerating but....

 

You are the only one reporting that a 250 pound slot machine "fell over on a woman's head".  Others have reported that the woman stumbled and hit her head on a slot machine, which makes sense.  But a 16 degree list (as reported by the captain) is hardly enough to topple a 250 metal device.  Let alone that the slot machines are usually connected, and somehow this machine is the only one that toppled over.  But who knows, maybe it happened and no one else saw it.  

That is absolutely not true; I read about the slot machine here and/or on the news first (several times) and then asked her about it.  And I never said a 250 lb. slot machine; none of us weighed it and neither did you. Lots of people saw it.  I am not asking you to believe it and I am done commenting on it.  There was no reason for anyone to make it up, other than the weight which none of us knows.

[MrMike45]

15 minutes ago, Zbayette said:

That is absolutely not true; I read about the slot machine here and/or on the news first (several times) and then asked her about it.  And I never said a 250 lb. slot machine; none of us weighed it and neither did you. Lots of people saw it.  I am not asking you to believe it and I am done commenting on it.  There was no reason for anyone to make it up, other than the weight which none of us knows.

 

Please direct me to any other post mentioning a slot machine "tipping over and falling one a woman's head" other than your posts.  The OP who wrote a review said he himself asked the casino staff about it and they told him that the women slipped and fell into the slot machine, that one did not tip over.  As far as the news reporting it...was that in the same report which said that the ship listed 45 degrees putting deck 6 under water?  

 

And a slot machine weighs between 200-250 pounds.  You can google that.  Someone mentioned they own real slot machines and they are actually more than 250 pounds.  

 

So again, a 16 degree list tipping a 250 pound metal machine onto a woman's head in which the only reports of it happening are your daughter and the news and their half the ship was in the ocean report seems highly unlikely.  Sorry. 

[NLH Arizona]

Since it had been reported that those passengers who went to the hospital were back on the ship, wouldn't someone who had a slotmachine fall on their head require more hospital attention and therefore not return to the ship?

[MrMike45]

4 minutes ago, NLH Arizona said:

Since it had been reported that those passengers who went to the hospital were back on the ship, wouldn't someone who had a slotmachine fall on their head require more hospital attention and therefore not return to the ship?

 

And quite possible deceased.  Not sure that someone survives that honestly.  

[Zbayette]

34 minutes ago, MrMike45 said:

 

Please direct me to any other post mentioning a slot machine "tipping over and falling one a woman's head" other than your posts.  The OP who wrote a review said he himself asked the casino staff about it and they told him that the women slipped and fell into the slot machine, that one did not tip over.  As far as the news reporting it...was that in the same report which said that the ship listed 45 degrees putting deck 6 under water?  

 

And a slot machine weighs between 200-250 pounds.  You can google that.  Someone mentioned they own real slot machines and they are actually more than 250 pounds.  

 

So again, a 16 degree list tipping a 250 pound metal machine onto a woman's head in which the only reports of it happening are your daughter and the news and their half the ship was in the ocean report seems highly unlikely.  Sorry. 

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2019/03/05/cruise-ship-tilts/3064213002/

 

Edited March 12, 2019 by Zbayette