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1 hour ago, Kingofcool1947 said:

 

Envy?  

It’s none of anyone’s business how I choose to spend my money..   You know nothing about me.

 

I didn't know that I singled you out, much less read or quoted your comments, but it sounds like I really struck a nerve.  Since I overwhelmingly condone people living within their means, which may include a 60K suite, I'm guessing you fall under my 2nd example, if you have such a guilty concience.

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3 hours ago, Kingofcool1947 said:

Yes.  So what?  If you can afford it,  doit.  Many can.  And it is great for families or a special occasion.   That is why different cruise lines and ships have different categories of staterooms.  Not everyone wants to stay in the cheapest inside cabin.  To each their own, and it is their money.

It like some peeps stay at Motel 6, others at The Ritz Carleton.   

Enjoy your cruise.

But Celebrity is no Ritz Carlton, by any stretch.

but $120,000 for a Celebrity cruise? Have you ever been on a Celebrity cruise?

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4 hours ago, Denny01 said:

What? You initially said that Oceania and Regent Suites were the same size and cheaper than the Edge Suites and question why anyone would book X. Now you are saying that a 30N+ Luxury compatible Suite (2000sqfter) is also cheaper??? 

 

Since most Luxury Lines don’t show specific pricings on their website so you have to contact them directly, I’m not going to waste time trying to find a 30N+ Luxury cruise booking their master-type suite because I actually think it will be cheaper than the X 11N Suite. Sorry, but doesn’t pass the common sense test. Personally I have no interest in Suites, just get tired of the ‘Don’t go on that Line, this Line costs much less and is much much better’.....yeah right. 

 

Den

 

Honestly, this was just an educated guest. But here are some examples:

28 night cruise on Oceania at 46k CAD - https://www.oceaniacruises.com/grand-voyage-cruises/rome-to-reykjavik-RVA190814A/?sr=%2Fcruise-finder%2F%23ships%3DMNA%2CRVA%23cruiseLengths%3DOverTwentyTwo

 

31 night cruise on Oceania at 36k CAD - https://www.oceaniacruises.com/grand-voyage-cruises/buenos-aires-to-miami-MNA210309A/?sr=%2Fcruise-finder%2F%23ships%3DMNA%2CRVA%23cruiseLengths%3DOverTwentyTwo

 

33 night on Searborn at 66k CAD - https://www.seabourn.com/en_US/find-a-cruise/P9H33A/7971A.html

 

32 nights on Silversea at 58k CAD - https://www.silversea.com/destinations/northern-europe-british-isles-cruise/stockholm-to-rome-civitavecchia-c5926.html

 

So I really wasn't too far. 

 

 

My original question wasn't why would someone spend $120k CAD on a cruise, or how can people afford it. It's their money, and everyone spends it as they see fit. I realize there are a lot of rich people who can easily afford to spend that kind of money on vacation.

 

My question was why someone who is willing and can afford to spend that kind pf money on a cruise, would spend it on a 11 night cruise on a mass market ship, when they can spend a similar amount on a luxury ship and 3-4 times duration. With all due respect to Celebrity suites, this is still Celebrity - even suite passengers have to stand in line to get in and out the ship, wait for overcrowded elevators, spend time in overcrowded shops etc. And if they don't want the "big ship amenities" - then what's the point to be on a big ship to begin with?

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2 hours ago, richsea said:

But Celebrity is no Ritz Carlton, by any stretch.

but $120,000 for a Celebrity cruise? Have you ever been on a Celebrity cruise?

 

Yes.  You?

And, Princess, and Oceania.  My other cruise lines of choice.

Motel 6, and The Ritz.

 

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1 hour ago, Kingofcool1947 said:

 

Yes.  You?

And, Princess, and Oceania.  My other cruise lines of choice.

Motel 6, and The Ritz.

 

 

1 hour ago, Kingofcool1947 said:

 

Yes.  You?

And, Princess, and Oceania.  My other cruise lines of choice.

Motel 6, and The Ritz.

 

 

To add this thought.

Why  would Celebrity have these exclusive suites if not bookable?  Some PAXs  certainly finds value in these suites to book them.

Or, maybee they are booked for corporate or PR events, hospitality room,  special Park West Art events, or comped to loyal well heeled high roller casino Celebrity loyalists , or for well heels Celebrity loyalist who can afford to stay in those super elite luxury suites.   Not my business, nor do I really care.  If one can afford it, good for them.  👍

And maybe these suites are available at a deep reduction in rate closer to sailing time to make it more affordable.

Everyone makes their choice.  Inside, Vie, Balcony, Suite, Penthouse, etc.

Not mine, or anyone’s business what one chooses.  It’s their money, not mine, or yours.

Enjoy your cruise, whatever category suits you. And your budget.    😀

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We look at the value for money and for us if it’s a choice of a suite for two weeks or a big chunk of money towards a new car we are going for the car. The very well off obviously don’t have to make those decisions, they purchase both and looking on here and the number of cruises some people take they are obviously on another planet to us income wise. To me those prices are just plain daft but if money is no object you won’t care.

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3 hours ago, yorky said:

We look at the value for money and for us if it’s a choice of a suite for two weeks or a big chunk of money towards a new car we are going for the car. The very well off obviously don’t have to make those decisions, they purchase both and looking on here and the number of cruises some people take they are obviously on another planet to us income wise. To me those prices are just plain daft but if money is no object you won’t care.

 

Yorky,

 

We generally cruise twice a year. One is usually booked well out time wise (Caribbean or Worldwide) then we will usually fit in a Mediterranean or Southampton break. This year we were looking for a Spring break in the Mediterranean. 

 

I have to totally agree with you those suite prices are ‘just plain daft’...We usually book PH or RS so don’t expect cheap (our excuse is we have worked hard and are travel options are becoming more limited)....We did expect to pay more for a new ship but not a kings ransom...

 

We chose to buy a new car instead and have spent much of the Summer enjoying North Wales.

 

We have a RS booked on Equinox in September....It is cheaper at present for us to book business flights to Florida, enjoy a week in a villa, then enjoy an 11 night cruise than to book a decent suite on the Edge in the Mediterranean.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, yorky said:

We look at the value for money and for us if it’s a choice of a suite for two weeks or a big chunk of money towards a new car we are going for the car. The very well off obviously don’t have to make those decisions, they purchase both and looking on here and the number of cruises some people take they are obviously on another planet to us income wise. To me those prices are just plain daft but if money is no object you won’t care.

 

I think you pretty much summarized it. Those forks don't have to choose between a suite on Celebrity or a suite on Oceania or Regent - they can just sail on both. Honestly, if I was cruising with children, I would actually go with Celebrity (or Princess), not Oceania. And since there are enough people who are willing to pay those "daft" prices, Celebrity can get away with charging them. Makes perfect sense. 

 

"Every product is worth how much people are willing to pay for it"

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7 hours ago, yorky said:

We look at the value for money and for us if it’s a choice of a suite for two weeks or a big chunk of money towards a new car we are going for the car. The very well off obviously don’t have to make those decisions, they purchase both and looking on here and the number of cruises some people take they are obviously on another planet to us income wise. To me those prices are just plain daft but if money is no object you won’t care.

Just another point- I see people who have a very comfortable nest egg, in their 70's and beyond- not spending money.  While they are well enough and able to travel- they should enjoy.  Have know many who do not live long enough, or become disabled and do not enjoy the money they worked hard to save.  So people need balance and need to be realistic.  Life is getting shorter every day!

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12 hours ago, ak1004 said:

 

Honestly, this was just an educated guest. But here are some examples:

28 night cruise on Oceania at 46k CAD - https://www.oceaniacruises.com/grand-voyage-cruises/rome-to-reykjavik-RVA190814A/?sr=%2Fcruise-finder%2F%23ships%3DMNA%2CRVA%23cruiseLengths%3DOverTwentyTwo

 

31 night cruise on Oceania at 36k CAD - https://www.oceaniacruises.com/grand-voyage-cruises/buenos-aires-to-miami-MNA210309A/?sr=%2Fcruise-finder%2F%23ships%3DMNA%2CRVA%23cruiseLengths%3DOverTwentyTwo

 

33 night on Searborn at 66k CAD - https://www.seabourn.com/en_US/find-a-cruise/P9H33A/7971A.html

 

32 nights on Silversea at 58k CAD - https://www.silversea.com/destinations/northern-europe-british-isles-cruise/stockholm-to-rome-civitavecchia-c5926.html

 

So I really wasn't too far. 

 

 

My original question wasn't why would someone spend $120k CAD on a cruise, or how can people afford it. It's their money, and everyone spends it as they see fit. I realize there are a lot of rich people who can easily afford to spend that kind of money on vacation.

 

My question was why someone who is willing and can afford to spend that kind pf money on a cruise, would spend it on a 11 night cruise on a mass market ship, when they can spend a similar amount on a luxury ship and 3-4 times duration. With all due respect to Celebrity suites, this is still Celebrity - even suite passengers have to stand in line to get in and out the ship, wait for overcrowded elevators, spend time in overcrowded shops etc. And if they don't want the "big ship amenities" - then what's the point to be on a big ship to begin with?

I've sailed on some of the luxury lines before: Regent, Azamara, Radisson before Regent bought it and Silverseas. I much prefer Celebrity over them on many itineraries. I find that the nightlife is so boring so unless I am doing a Baltic cruise where I'm too exhausted in the evenings I prefer Celebrity. I was just on the Edge in the Med and found few lines at the elevators or over crowding. The beauty of their suite class is that you can create your own small ship luxury feel if you would like but have the opportunity to have all of the great venues that the ship offers. Now if you are looking at an itinerary that brings you to ports where the large ships can't get to, then that is a different story.

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11 minutes ago, ginak1112 said:

I've sailed on some of the luxury lines before: Regent, Azamara, Radisson before Regent bought it and Silverseas. I much prefer Celebrity over them on many itineraries. I find that the nightlife is so boring so unless I am doing a Baltic cruise where I'm too exhausted in the evenings I prefer Celebrity. I was just on the Edge in the Med and found few lines at the elevators or over crowding. The beauty of their suite class is that you can create your own small ship luxury feel if you would like but have the opportunity to have all of the great venues that the ship offers. Now if you are looking at an itinerary that brings you to ports where the large ships can't get to, then that is a different story.

 

To each its own, and no product can satisfy 100% of the people 100% of the time. We found Oceania and Azamara to be in a different league, but it doesn't mean we won't sail Celebrity or Princess, given the right price and itinerary.

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12 hours ago, ak1004 said:

My question was why someone who is willing and can afford to spend that kind pf money on a cruise, would spend it on a 11 night cruise on a mass market ship, when they can spend a similar amount on a luxury ship and 3-4 times duration. With all due respect to Celebrity suites, this is still Celebrity - even suite passengers have to stand in line to get in and out the ship, wait for overcrowded elevators, spend time in overcrowded shops etc. And if they don't want the "big ship amenities" - then what's the point to be on a big ship to begin with?

It is their money and maybe they enjoy Celebrity.  Everybody has their reasons and tastes.  It seems from your post saying "this is still Celebrity" that perhaps you are not enthusiastic about Celebrity.  So why not just sail another line?  You will find very expensive and occupied suites on every cruise line.  

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6 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

It is their money and maybe they enjoy Celebrity.  Everybody has their reasons and tastes.  It seems from your post saying "this is still Celebrity" that perhaps you are not enthusiastic about Celebrity.  So why not just sail another line?  You will find very expensive and occupied suites on every cruise line.  

 

We sailed on Celebrity 3 times and are coming back in September. We like it overall, but yes, it is "still Celebrity" a mass market line. Not Oceania or Crystal.

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20 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

 

We sailed on Celebrity 3 times and are coming back in September. We like it overall, but yes, it is "still Celebrity" a mass market line. Not Oceania or Crystal.

Try the edge.  A different experience.  And they have very pricey suites

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I wonder what percent of the time the iconic cabins are booked... If no paying passengers do they offer it up to someone who has been gambling quite a bit? I wonder if .... on balance .. the revenue generated by these suites is enough vs if this space were broken up into a few more smaller, lower costing... but more likely rented suites?   

 

I could see a celebrity of some sort, who is sailing with family and friends (who are not as well off) might want a cabin like this... place to entertain and the suite only areas to hang out to minimize contact with autograph seekers etc. Since not everyone has resources to sail on a high end cruise line and even large yachts might not hold all your friends... so this is a way to have your wealthy and not so wealthy friends share an experience... just a thought..... now I am very frugal... so I wonder about all the people getting expensive regular suites... while I am willing so suffer with a regular veranda... Of course the inside cabins folks wonder if I have lost my mind spending the extra fees for a veranda... when we spend so little time in the cabin.....  Again... I thank anyone willing to shell out tens of thousands on a cabin... helps cover the overhead for the rest of us.

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I suspect no one is paying rack rate for those cabins. 

IF they are booked though a TA-- there has to be cash back etc as all of the "perks" are baked in

 

For that price on can book nicer suites on luxury lines.  

 

Instead of Celebrity for "suite life", we are moving to Regent and other lines. Smaller ships/nicer staterooms/service.

 

 

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Except for a few times on departure and arrival days, haven’t spent time waiting for elevators. Crowded shops? Only during sales days at the end. One thing I enjoy about Celebrity above the other mainline Cruise Lines is they’ve designed it so the common areas area not crowded and I don’t feel the 2000+ passengers as I do on other Lines. The theater has enough seating to allow you to go in just prior and find seats instead of sitting there 30min+. Suites have priority and special access in many of those areas such as arrival and departure lines, theaters, etc. 

 

I’ve cruised Crystal and greatly enjoyed it, but as with many ‘Luxury’ Lines with small ships, they are very port-intensive with few sea days. I love sea days. And if you’re going to spend a great deal of money on a Suite, a sea day where you can fully enjoy the SR and benefits is one of the points, I would think. On our Crystal cruise, we ran into very high seas and no matter the design or ‘luxury’ of the ship, small ships don’t just move around in high seas, they pitch and roll a great deal. And another ‘issue’ I had was although I enjoyed the other passengers, it was not a mix of anyone but, shall we say ‘me’. That’s a very subjective view, but not a lot of mix of people with varying backgrounds. Life amounts those that can afford Luxury Lines....not bad, just a differnt experience. 

 

Although I’m not a Suite cruiser, I’m sure there are less expensive standard SRs on other Lines than Celebrity, but I pick Celebrity unless there are overriding reasons such as a major itinerary or joining friends/party group. 

 

You’ve made your point that there are less expensive Suites on some itineraries on Luxury Lines. Enjoy them. I personally won’t spend $30k-$50k on any cruise because any time I’m going to spend a goodly chuck on money, I calculate it in how many cruises it costs and decide if it’s worth it. 

 

To each our own. Thank you for your research.

 

Den 

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49 minutes ago, Cruise a holic said:

Try the edge.  A different experience.  And they have very pricey suites

 

I would like to give them a try, but definitely not at the current prices. We are looking to celebrate our daughter's 30th birthday next September, and I looked at some European cruises. 10 nights on the Edge start at $3,400 CAD plus taxes in inside cabin. Veranda $4,500 and the cheapest suite starts at $10k CAD?? What they are smoking? 

 

But then again, if there are people who are willing to pay those inflated prices, why wouldn't they charge them? 

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56 minutes ago, kearney said:

I wonder what percent of the time the iconic cabins are booked... If no paying passengers do they offer it up to someone who has been gambling quite a bit? I wonder if .... on balance .. the revenue generated by these suites is enough vs if this space were broken up into a few more smaller, lower costing... but more likely rented suites?   

 

I could see a celebrity of some sort, who is sailing with family and friends (who are not as well off) might want a cabin like this... place to entertain and the suite only areas to hang out to minimize contact with autograph seekers etc. Since not everyone has resources to sail on a high end cruise line and even large yachts might not hold all your friends... so this is a way to have your wealthy and not so wealthy friends share an experience... just a thought..... now I am very frugal... so I wonder about all the people getting expensive regular suites... while I am willing so suffer with a regular veranda... Of course the inside cabins folks wonder if I have lost my mind spending the extra fees for a veranda... when we spend so little time in the cabin.....  Again... I thank anyone willing to shell out tens of thousands on a cabin... helps cover the overhead for the rest of us.

They now have a program called Move Up.  People bid on these cabins and sometimes get them for a discount if they aren't sold.  But it seems to me, the expensive cabins do book up fast!      And yes, perhaps the high rollers get discounts or freebies also. 

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1 hour ago, kearney said:

I wonder what percent of the time the iconic cabins are booked... If no paying passengers do they offer it up to someone who has been gambling quite a bit? I wonder if .... on balance .. the revenue generated by these suites is enough vs if this space were broken up into a few more smaller, lower costing... but more likely rented suites?   

 

I could see a celebrity of some sort, who is sailing with family and friends (who are not as well off) might want a cabin like this... place to entertain and the suite only areas to hang out to minimize contact with autograph seekers etc. Since not everyone has resources to sail on a high end cruise line and even large yachts might not hold all your friends... so this is a way to have your wealthy and not so wealthy friends share an experience... just a thought..... now I am very frugal... so I wonder about all the people getting expensive regular suites... while I am willing so suffer with a regular veranda... Of course the inside cabins folks wonder if I have lost my mind spending the extra fees for a veranda... when we spend so little time in the cabin.....  Again... I thank anyone willing to shell out tens of thousands on a cabin... helps cover the overhead for the rest of us.

 

All good points..

 

We sailed in inside, veranda, concierge and suites. Princess upgraded us to a suite for free last year after cancelling our booking. While I won't say it was not nice (especially considering we were 3 people), I would never pay that kind of money, even for the cheapest suite. We can afford it, just have different priorities. We use the cabin for sleep and shower only, so have absolutely no reason to book anything but the cheapest cabin. But as you said, we are grateful to those who are willing to pay tens of thousands for those overpriced suites. Helps to keep the cheaper cabins prices down.  

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16 minutes ago, Cruise a holic said:

They now have a program called Move Up.  People bid on these cabins and sometimes get them for a discount if they aren't sold.  But it seems to me, the expensive cabins do book up fast!      And yes, perhaps the high rollers get discounts or freebies also. 

 

Yes. On our September cruise, the minimum bid to move from inside to concierge is over $1,000 CAD per person. For the "privilege" of the same room size with priority embarkation and a $10 sparkling wine. Thank you, but no thank you.

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13 hours ago, Kingofcool1947 said:

 

Yes.  You?

And, Princess, and Oceania.  My other cruise lines of choice.

Motel 6, and The Ritz.

 

Yep.

Agree re Princess/Motel 6, although I hear Motel 6 provides a chair to sit on.

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7 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

 

Yes. On our September cruise, the minimum bid to move from inside to concierge is over $1,000 CAD per person. For the "privilege" of the same room size with priority embarkation and a $10 sparkling wine. Thank you, but no thank you.

It depends on your priority.  Perhaps moving to a balcony or window view would be more affordable- for a move to a suite on our cruise was less then $400 pp.  But it was from a balcony to a suite.

 

Again, we all decide what is important to us.  I wouldn't be comfortable in an inside cabin.   And depending upon the ship the size can vary.

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