buckeyefrank Posted December 20, 2019 #151 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, ipeeinthepool said: This won't be the first time a Buckeye was wrong. Common sense and logic will prevail. I see you're from Xichigan. Now it makes sense. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltcruiser Posted December 20, 2019 #152 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, matt1119 said: Here's what baffles me. How could this happen? Even if the radar isn't working, there were no clouds in the sky, did the pilot not see a giant ship anywhere in the vicinity? Unless I'm way off, it's not like any ship that close to the dock is going fast. I'm going to be fascinated to read the follow up to this because it seems to me like multiple people screwed up here. Wind. People that are unaware have no idea how much wind impacts the lateral movement of ships/ boats. Sudden gust of wind hits a 1000’ long, 15 story high sky scraper, it will shift its lateral movement an amazing amount. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abra85 Posted December 20, 2019 #153 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) Looks like it could have been a loss of situational awareness by the bridge team. That can happen quickly with strong and variable winds. I also wouldn’t rule out a failure of the stern thrusters. I would have expected to see them working at full power to counter the wind but they were never used throughout the video. Glory sounding it’s whistle could be an indication of that. To those saying that someone lost their job over this: absolutely not. The bridge team will give a debriefing of the events, most likely go for some simulator training, and the events will be used to enhance training for the rest of the fleet’s deck officers. Terminating well intentioned officers for stuff like this would cause a degradation in the safety culture of the company. Cozumel and Costa Maya are notoriously difficult for docking maneuvers. I’ve seen more than a few ships discontinue the approach to the pier and either formulate a new plan or cancel the port of call altogether. Edited December 20, 2019 by Abra85 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted December 20, 2019 #154 Share Posted December 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, MEUB1112 said: Just an honest question, no snarkiness, why a dry dock when the damage is well above the water line? This appears cosmetic with maybe some secondary structural components. Just curious. I use dry dock as a synonym for shipyard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEUB1112 Posted December 20, 2019 #155 Share Posted December 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, msufan288 said: What if you're in a storm... think about it. lol I'm sorry, I must have worded it wrong. Does this ship with this damage need to be repaired out of the water? Could the work be accomplished at a ship yard. I understand that dry dock facilities can be in use. There are ship yards in many ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEUB1112 Posted December 20, 2019 #156 Share Posted December 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Depends what they have to do, what supplies are available and where they at, how much noise and disputation there would be, lots of details like that. Were you sailing with me on the Mardi Gras? Thanks, and yes we are. B2B Jan 23 and 30, 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted December 20, 2019 #157 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, MEUB1112 said: I'm sorry, I must have worded it wrong. Does this ship with this damage need to be repaired out of the water? Could the work be accomplished at a ship yard. I understand that dry dock facilities can be in use. There are ship yards in many ports. Not many that can handle a ship this size, I can only think of two possibilities on the east coast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc1972 Posted December 20, 2019 #158 Share Posted December 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, msufan288 said: What if you're in a storm... think about it. lol Tarps properly fastened over the outside will keep almost all water out, any that does make it in is easily dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEUB1112 Posted December 20, 2019 #159 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, sparks1093 said: I use dry dock as a synonym for shipyard. That makes sense, thank you!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibaster McGillicutty Posted December 20, 2019 #160 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) I was on this ship the sailing the week after it struck a pier in Costa Maya. It was late arriving back in New Orleans so our 7-day turned into a 4-day. They slapped a big plate over it and kept on sailing. Edited December 20, 2019 by Alibaster McGillicutty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Nana_to_10 Posted December 20, 2019 #161 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) I am on this ship now! The ships crew seem to have been instructed to not talk about it. Other than the early morning message from the captain saying we ‘made contact’ with another ship, there has been no further updates. Edited December 20, 2019 by Young_Nana_to_10 Left out a word. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted December 20, 2019 #162 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Young_Nana_to_10 said: I am on this ship now! The ships crew seem to have been instructed to not talk about. Other than the early morning message from the captain saying we ‘made contact’ with another ship, there has been no further updates. Pleas keep us updated, what are they saying about next stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmasNana Posted December 20, 2019 #163 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Carnival CEO just said on CNBC that sailings will not be affected and that they will continue unaffected. ????really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Nana_to_10 Posted December 20, 2019 #164 Share Posted December 20, 2019 This was our last stop. We have a sea day tomorrow then disembark on Sunday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSHLOT Posted December 20, 2019 #165 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, BNBR said: Video from Oasis: I think you have to give the captain a little credit here for not bumping into Oasis. Those widecaps are as far as the eye can see, that cant be fun. I been on a few cruises where we aborted docking, but never witnessed a collision. I can only imagine the lines at GS after all this. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bm6pm5 Posted December 20, 2019 #166 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, shaneandpamela said: We are on the 29th sailing. I just got off the phone with a Carnival PVP and she said that they are planning on sailing the schedule and fixing the damage on the fly. I guess we'll get to NOLA next week and see what happens. At least I'm stuck in NOLA "with nothing to do" if the sailing cancels. Good luck with getting hotels. The Sugar Bowl will be there Jan 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.T.B. Posted December 20, 2019 #167 Share Posted December 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said: This won't be the first time a Buckeye was wrong. Common sense and logic will prevail. Carnival's CEO was just on CNBC a little bit ago. He said they aren't cancelling any pending cruises. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.T.B. Posted December 20, 2019 #168 Share Posted December 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, EmmasNana said: Carnival CEO just said on CNBC that sailings will not be affected and that they will continue unaffected. ????really I was about to come here and post that. Obviously he has much more info than we do, hence the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneandpamela Posted December 20, 2019 #169 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, bm6pm5 said: Good luck with getting hotels. The Sugar Bowl will be there Jan 1. Already booked. Thanks tho. Hotel Monteleone. There are a lot of rooms. Baylor doesn't travel very well. Not sure about Georgia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL3XCruise Posted December 20, 2019 #170 Share Posted December 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, Abra85 said: I also wouldn’t rule out a failure of the stern thrusters. I would have expected to see them working at full power to counter the wind but they were never used throughout the video. Glory sounding it’s whistle could be an indication of that. The ship also narrowly missed the Oasis, so it is possible that the bridge crew hesitated to apply more thruster (or prop/rudder) power as that could have swung the bow into the side of Oasis. Or the wind may have simply exceeded the capability of the stern thrusters; they do look like they are kicking up less water than what I've seen typically, but the videos aren't perfect and I don't know how the rough conditions impact what is visible. 36 minutes ago, Abra85 said: To those saying that someone lost their job over this: absolutely not. The bridge team will give a debriefing of the events, most likely go for some simulator training, and the events will be used to enhance training for the rest of the fleet’s deck officers. Terminating well intentioned officers for stuff like this would cause a degradation in the safety culture of the company. Bingo. If the captain followed the procedures and acted in accordance with his training, the result will be a change in procedures in training 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibaster McGillicutty Posted December 20, 2019 #171 Share Posted December 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, EmmasNana said: Carnival CEO just said on CNBC that sailings will not be affected and that they will continue unaffected. ????really As long as it doesn't impact seaworthiness, I expected that. They will rope off the area, move passengers' dining times around on the next few cruises (if they are impacted) and keep on sailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhorn2004 Posted December 20, 2019 #172 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Get some people from Avondale shipyard to meet it in New Orleans and start welding a plate over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Monica887 Posted December 20, 2019 #173 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alibaster McGillicutty said: As long as it doesn't impact seaworthiness, I expected that. They will rope off the area, move passengers' dining times around on the next few cruises (if they are impacted) and keep on sailing. I'm on Sunday's sailing (maybe?). They did already tell us that dining arrangement would be changed, but didn't specify how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Monica887 Posted December 20, 2019 #174 Share Posted December 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, Alibaster McGillicutty said: I was on this ship the sailing the week after it struck a pier in Costa Maya. It was late arriving back in New Orleans so our 7-day turned into a 4-day. They slapped a big plate over it and kept on sailing. How did they compensate you? Did they refund part of your original sailing, or provide future travel credit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare WhaleTailFlCruiser Posted December 20, 2019 #175 Share Posted December 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, FSHLOT said: I think you have to give the captain a little credit here for not bumping into Oasis. Those widecaps are as far as the eye can see, that cant be fun. I been on a few cruises where we aborted docking, but never witnessed a collision. I can only imagine the lines at GS after all this. 😁 Why did Glory only sound her horn once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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