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Did Carnival Legend actually "save" the Oasis of the Seas? Glory collision video.

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Do you think that the Legend slightly "corrected" the course of the Glory that was about to ram into the Oasis of the Seas?

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2 minutes ago, Saab4444 said:

No, the opposite should be the case, Legend stopped Glory from turning left faster.

That would be the way it looked to me.

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11 hours ago, Saab4444 said:

No, the opposite should be the case, Legend stopped Glory from turning left faster.

 

Exactly! When the aft of the Glory hit the bow of the Legend it gave the bow of the Glory a spin to the right. Everything else would be against practical physics.

 

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 If it made any difference it possibly made it worse.   There is so much energy and momentum involved.  It’s not clear if the bridge crew’s actions or the impact were responsible for any change in direction.  

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What probably saved Oasis was going to full power and driving Glory beyond her.  My guess was the Captain was trying to avoid BOTH ships and simply didn't have the control to do so.  But the bow thrusters were probably running full speed too to keep from hitting Oasis.  

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As Glory approached the pier and Legend the bridge crew were applying adjustments to the ship.   Their adjustments almost avoided the collision but probably minimized damage. Had they done less they might have impacted the pier at the waterline.   The point is they were making changes leading up to the Legend contact.  

 

From that point forward it’s difficult for anyone here to know if the Legend impact or the bridge crew’s control inputs up to that moment in time were responsible for the ship’s vectoring from that point forward.  

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5 hours ago, steamboats said:

 

Exactly! When the aft of the Glory hit the bow of the Legend it gave the bow of the Glory a spin to the right. Everything else would be against practical physics.

 

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Would (otherwise) Glory stern continue to drift closer to the Oasis? 

"Bernoulli effect" and  RMS Titanic near collision with ss NewYork come to mind.

 

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2 hours ago, ronbe65 said:

 

Would (otherwise) Glory stern continue to drift closer to the Oasis? 

"Bernoulli effect" and  RMS Titanic near collision with ss NewYork come to mind.

 

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For the Bernoulli effect both ships must move. The Carnival Legend and the Oasis of the Seas were already docked.

 

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In the Olympic / Hawk collision both ships were moving.

The Titanic was moving, ss New York was docked.

The Glory was moving, the Oasis was docked.

So Glory/Oasis case looks more like Titanic/New York case. 

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Oasis returned to the scene of the crime today... was able to snap a few photos of the remedies applied to the Carnival Glory. 
 

Kinda off ironic that Glory was parked forward today and not aft side in.  

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On 12/27/2019 at 7:07 AM, twangster said:

As Glory approached the pier and Legend the bridge crew were applying adjustments to the ship.   Their adjustments almost avoided the collision but probably minimized damage. Had they done less they might have impacted the pier at the waterline.   The point is they were making changes leading up to the Legend contact.  

 

From that point forward it’s difficult for anyone here to know if the Legend impact or the bridge crew’s control inputs up to that moment in time were responsible for the ship’s vectoring from that point forward.  

 

Not arguing, just wondering what Legend could do since they were docked and tied up?

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4 hours ago, RCCL Fan said:

 

Not arguing, just wondering what Legend could do since they were docked and tied up?


Legend (and Oasis) could do nothing but watch.  
 

Perhaps my verbiage is off.  Does this make more sense?
 

 

“As Glory approached the pier and Legend the Glory bridge crew were applying adjustments to the ship.“

 

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On 12/27/2019 at 12:24 PM, ronbe65 said:

In the Olympic / Hawk collision both ships were moving.

The Titanic was moving, ss New York was docked.

The Glory was moving, the Oasis was docked.

So Glory/Oasis case looks more like Titanic/New York case. 

While Bernouli's principal applies in both cases, where both ships are moving, and in some cases where only one ship is moving, it is not the Bernouli effect between the two ships, but between the moving ship and a narrow/shallow channel.  This is known as "sniffing the bank, or sniffing the bottom".  It is more pronounced when the channel is significantly deeper than the depth alongside the berth.

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I do not believe the impact with Legend prevented an impact with Oasis.  Form what I saw, the impact did little to nothing to change Glory's path.  

 

That said, RCI might want to consider putting a jetty around their piers.  This isn't the first time Carnival decided to play bumper ships at that same location.  Ironically, the last one was Legend's fault.

 

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