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Taking a cruise out of Hamburg that stops in Southampton 0700 - 2000.

Is there enough of interest to see here or should I leave Southampton to go to London or elsewhere?

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1 hour ago, electro said:

Taking a cruise out of Hamburg that stops in Southampton 0700 - 2000.

Is it on Cunard? If so it is most likely also an embarkation port with many passengers boarding there. 

 

1 hour ago, electro said:

Is there enough of interest to see here or should I leave Southampton to go to London or elsewhere?

London you would be a bit tight-- about 2 hours each way into London. Doable, but you wouldn't have a ton of time to do much. Last time I was in Southampton for the day I went over to Portsmouth-- historic dockyard and HMS Victory were highlights. Very quick and easy to get to. I think there were also tours up to Highclere Castle where the film Downton Abbey as it is close by. 

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13 minutes ago, princeton123211 said:

Is it on Cunard? If so it is most likely also an embarkation port with many passengers boarding there. 

 

London you would be a bit tight-- about 2 hours each way into London. Doable, but you wouldn't have a ton of time to do much. Last time I was in Southampton for the day I went over to Portsmouth-- historic dockyard and HMS Victory were highlights. Very quick and easy to get to. I think there were also tours up to Highclere Castle where the film Downton Abbey as it is close by. 

It is on MSC in May.

 

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Salisbury (by train) and possibly Stonehenge (by hoho bus) if Portsmouth Royal Docks doesn't appeal

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Southampton is a port city, not a tourist city. It's a turnaround port, with comparatively few port-of-call visits.

 

But the city has enough to interest you for a day.

 

The old walled part of the city is close to the docks - easily walkable from City cruise terminal and Ocean cruise terminal, needs a short taxi hop from Mayflower or QE11 terminals. City walls & gates, historic buildings like Tudor Merchant's House (well worth an hour or more), Medieval Merchant's House (only open weekends), Westgate Hall, & Gods Tower (houses archaeological museum). At the northern end of the walled city is the Bargate, the old city's main entrance from the London road.

Good pubs to try for a drink or meal in that part of Southampton include the Dancing Man pub & micro-brewery housed in the 13th century stone-built Wool House on Town Quay, or just around the corner in Bugle Street the attractive & historic Duke of Wellington pub, very popular with cruisers.

But it's not like most folks' idea of a walled city - it was heavily bombed in the Blitz of 1940, and modern properties sit cheek-by-jowl with the historic ones.

On the other side of the Bargate, outside the walled city, is Above Bar, the post-war main shopping street. And several malls, notably the large West Quay Mall.

 

Elsewhere in Southampton are places like....

 

"Solent Skies", a super little volunteer-run aviation museum. A short walk from Ocean Terminal, and well worth an hour. It focuses on aircraft built or operated from Southampton. Exhibits include a Spitfire (designed, developed and first built in Southampton before the factory was blitzed) and a Princess flying-boat that you can get into (Southampton was the UK's premier flying-boat centre during the short period pre & post-war before regular long-haul aircraft were developed).

If you sail from City cruise terminal, that's the place where the flying boats operated from. And on your sail-out, on the starboard side, you'll see their giant maintenance hangers (now an adventure/ leisure centre) on Calshot Spit, which sticks out where Southampton Water runs into the Solent. Also on that Spit a coastguard/harbourmaster tower and behind the tower a diminutive little Henry V111 castle).

 

Sea City Museum, council-operated museum dedicated to Titanic. Relies heavily on dioramas and personal stories, comparatively few artefacts but very well-presented. It's at the northern end of the main shopping street, Above Bar, in the Civic Offices complex (identify the complex by its tall white clock-tower). Art museum in that complex too.

 

More Southampton detail at http://www.discoversouthampton.co.uk/visit including guided or self-guided walks.

 

So, enough for a lazy day in Southampton and all walkable (other than mebbe a short taxi hop from/to your ship).

 

But if you want to travel further.....

 

Portsmouth. 

Home of the Royal Navy, the main attraction is the Historic Dockyard & Ships. And close by, the Spinnaker Tower (only bother to go up if visibility is good when you're there). Portsmouth has much more to offer like Old Portsmouth's harbourfront fortifications and harbour entrance. Its conjoined city of Southsea is a resort city. On its seafront are Southsea Castle and adjacent D-Day museum and views across the Solent to the Napoleonic Solent forts and the Isle of Wight and plenty more besides, and the ring of Napoleonic forts (google "Palmerston's Follies") which surround the city.

But in all honesty you'll only have time for the dockyard & ships.

From Southampton by train or bus is about an hour. By train your destination is Portsmouth Harbour station (it's at the end of the line, after the main city station), by bus it's The Hard / Travel Interchange. Three different names for the same place :classic_rolleyes:

https://www.historicdockyard.co.uk/

https://www.visitportsmouth.co.uk/

 

Queen Victoria's Osborne House, on the Isle of Wight.

From Town Quay take Red Funnel's traditional car ferry to East Cowes , not the hi-speed ferry to (West) Cowes.

Ferry ride about an hour.

Then a short bus ride (any bus from East Cowes) and ask the driver to put you off at Osborne House - it's less than ten minutes on the bus. Check return bus & ferry times. I'm always wary of ferries on a port-of-call day, but the Red Funnel car ferry is super-reliable.

https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/osborne/

https://www.redfunnel.co.uk/en/isle-of-wight-ferry/

 

Beaulieu

Take the little Hythe ferry from Town Quay across Southampton Water to Hythe (very long pier, but a little historic train to take you from boat to shore), then a taxi from the rank for the 6 miles across a corner of the New Forest to Lord Montague's complex at Beaulieu. Arrange with the driver to return for you at a pre-determined time, there's no taxi rank at Beaulieu.

(the local bus service is extremely infrequent, and ignore any references on the web to the "beach bus", it no longer operates)

It majors on Britain's National Motor Museum, but for those in your party not interested in cars there's also the Bishop's Palace (home), the ruins of Beaulieu Abbey (sacked by Henry V11 during the Dissolution of the Monasteries), and various smaller attractions like the Secret Army - during WW2 it was a training school for spies.

https://www.beaulieu.co.uk/

http://hytheferry.co.uk/

 

Salisbury & Stonehenge

Direct half-hourly  train to Salisbury costs about £11 return-ticket, journey time about 40 minutes.

If you also want to go to Stonehenge, take the Stonehenge ho-ho bus from Salisbury station. Bus ride takes about 30 minutes, expect to spend about 90 minutes at Stonehenge then ho-ho back to Salisbury to check out the magnificent Salisbury cathedral and historic city centre. Ho-ho (if conveniently timed) or walk or taxi or local bus to Salisbury station for the train back to Southampton.

Post back if this is a sunday, there are a couple of complications.

Buy your Stonehenge tickets as well as ho-ho tickets from the ho-ho driver (same price as at the gate). This avoids the need for pre-purchasing a timed ticket to Stonehenge, and avoids wasting advance payment if your plans change. 

Stonehenge is no fun in bad weather 

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/

http://www.thestonehengetour.info

 

Winchester

Cathedral city only 15 mins by frequent trains from Southampton.

Older than Salisbury, it's the former capital of Wessex (King Alfred & all that). But narrow streets and rather more tourists make it feel more crowded, less laid-back.

Centred on Winchester Cathedral. Huge. IMHO not as inspiring as Salisbury's but centuries older. Houses the grave of Jane Austen. Interesting history of subsidence, and a tribute in the cathedral to the brass-helmeted deep-sea diver who a century ago spent years strengthening the foundations.

https://www.visitwinchester.co.uk/

 

London

Because of your late sailing time (double-check your latest back-on-board time - 7.30pm?) it's possible to visit London by train & make a decent fist of seeing  many of the main sights.

Walk-up train tickets are expensive (about £46 one-way) but you can dramatically cut the cost to as little as £9 one-way by buying "advance" tickets, which are available from about 8 to 10 weeks out. Check the fares for a date in March to get an idea. Those pre-purchased tickets are only available on a limited number of train times (but there's enough choice) and are only good for the train time that you purchase - miss that train & your tickets are trash so you'd have to pay the walk-up fare for the next one.

If you're confident about your disembarkation and re-embarkation times, on the current timetable I'd suggest pre-purchasing for the 08.30 or 09.00 (or both, to give you flexibility) and the return train at 5.05pm. That'd give you up to 7 hours in the big bad city. http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/

(Advance tickets for train to London are well worth the grief for the savings. But if you choose Salisbury or Winchester or Portsmouth the return train fares are cheap anyway, no need for advance tickets)

This info for monday-to-saturday , more-restricted timetable on sundays.

Your stations are Southampton Central to London Waterloo.

On arrival at Waterloo station I'd suggest that you start with a complete ho-ho tour with London Original (yellow route has a live guide) https://www.theoriginaltour.com/en/tours/hop-on-hop-off

or Big Bus https://www.bigbustours.com/en/london/london-routes-and-tour-maps/ from the ho-ho stop near Waterloo station (on the London Eye side of York Road ).

The buses doesn't go past Buckingham Palace - if you want to see it you have to get off at Buckingham Gate, walk round to the front of the Palace, then walk back to the ho-ho stop for the next ho-ho. If you've got a good seat on the ho-ho I suggest you forgo the Palace.

You should have time for an inside visit or two. Or my suggestion is that you jump off the ho-ho at Trafalgar Square & walk down Whitehall past Horse Guards Parade, Downing Street (Prime Minister's residence), the Cenotaph and (just off Whitehall, Churchill's War Rooms) to Parliament Square (Houses of Parliament & Big Ben, Westminster Abbey, etc), with such stops & meanderings as your time allows, before crossing Westminster Bridge & past the London Eye back to Waterloo station.

You might have time for a short river cruise between either side of Westminster Bridge and the Tower of London (included in ho-ho ticket) but you'll see little more than you saw from the bus - and you'd be wise to stay on the boat for the return/

All that said, the trip to London might spoil you for a "proper" visit of two to four days.

 

JB :classic_smile:

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10 hours ago, John Bull said:

Southampton is a port city, not a tourist city. It's a turnaround port, with comparatively few port-of-call visits.

 

But the city has enough to interest you for a day.

 

The old walled part of the city is close to the docks - easily walkable from City cruise terminal and Ocean cruise terminal, needs a short taxi hop from Mayflower or QE11 terminals. City walls & gates, historic buildings like Tudor Merchant's House (well worth an hour or more), Medieval Merchant's House (only open weekends), Westgate Hall, & Gods Tower (houses archaeological museum). At the northern end of the walled city is the Bargate, the old city's main entrance from the London road.

Good pubs to try for a drink or meal in that part of Southampton include the Dancing Man pub & micro-brewery housed in the 13th century stone-built Wool House on Town Quay, or just around the corner in Bugle Street the attractive & historic Duke of Wellington pub, very popular with cruisers.

But it's not like most folks' idea of a walled city - it was heavily bombed in the Blitz of 1940, and modern properties sit cheek-by-jowl with the historic ones.

On the other side of the Bargate, outside the walled city, is Above Bar, the post-war main shopping street. And several malls, notably the large West Quay Mall.

 

Elsewhere in Southampton are places like....

 

"Solent Skies", a super little volunteer-run aviation museum. A short walk from Ocean Terminal, and well worth an hour. It focuses on aircraft built or operated from Southampton. Exhibits include a Spitfire (designed, developed and first built in Southampton before the factory was blitzed) and a Princess flying-boat that you can get into (Southampton was the UK's premier flying-boat centre during the short period pre & post-war before regular long-haul aircraft were developed).

If you sail from City cruise terminal, that's the place where the flying boats operated from. And on your sail-out, on the starboard side, you'll see their giant maintenance hangers (now an adventure/ leisure centre) on Calshot Spit, which sticks out where Southampton Water runs into the Solent. Also on that Spit a coastguard/harbourmaster tower and behind the tower a diminutive little Henry V111 castle).

 

Sea City Museum, council-operated museum dedicated to Titanic. Relies heavily on dioramas and personal stories, comparatively few artefacts but very well-presented. It's at the northern end of the main shopping street, Above Bar, in the Civic Offices complex (identify the complex by its tall white clock-tower). Art museum in that complex too.

 

More Southampton detail at http://www.discoversouthampton.co.uk/visit including guided or self-guided walks.

 

So, enough for a lazy day in Southampton and all walkable (other than mebbe a short taxi hop from/to your ship).

 

But if you want to travel further.....

 

Portsmouth. 

Home of the Royal Navy, the main attraction is the Historic Dockyard & Ships. And close by, the Spinnaker Tower (only bother to go up if visibility is good when you're there). Portsmouth has much more to offer like Old Portsmouth's harbourfront fortifications and harbour entrance. Its conjoined city of Southsea is a resort city. On its seafront are Southsea Castle and adjacent D-Day museum and views across the Solent to the Napoleonic Solent forts and the Isle of Wight and plenty more besides, and the ring of Napoleonic forts (google "Palmerston's Follies") which surround the city.

But in all honesty you'll only have time for the dockyard & ships.

From Southampton by train or bus is about an hour. By train your destination is Portsmouth Harbour station (it's at the end of the line, after the main city station), by bus it's The Hard / Travel Interchange. Three different names for the same place :classic_rolleyes:

https://www.historicdockyard.co.uk/

https://www.visitportsmouth.co.uk/

 

Queen Victoria's Osborne House, on the Isle of Wight.

From Town Quay take Red Funnel's traditional car ferry to East Cowes , not the hi-speed ferry to (West) Cowes.

Ferry ride about an hour.

Then a short bus ride (any bus from East Cowes) and ask the driver to put you off at Osborne House - it's less than ten minutes on the bus. Check return bus & ferry times. I'm always wary of ferries on a port-of-call day, but the Red Funnel car ferry is super-reliable.

https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/osborne/

https://www.redfunnel.co.uk/en/isle-of-wight-ferry/

 

Beaulieu

Take the little Hythe ferry from Town Quay across Southampton Water to Hythe (very long pier, but a little historic train to take you from boat to shore), then a taxi from the rank for the 6 miles across a corner of the New Forest to Lord Montague's complex at Beaulieu. Arrange with the driver to return for you at a pre-determined time, there's no taxi rank at Beaulieu.

(the local bus service is extremely infrequent, and ignore any references on the web to the "beach bus", it no longer operates)

It majors on Britain's National Motor Museum, but for those in your party not interested in cars there's also the Bishop's Palace (home), the ruins of Beaulieu Abbey (sacked by Henry V11 during the Dissolution of the Monasteries), and various smaller attractions like the Secret Army - during WW2 it was a training school for spies.

https://www.beaulieu.co.uk/

http://hytheferry.co.uk/

 

Salisbury & Stonehenge

Direct half-hourly  train to Salisbury costs about £11 return-ticket, journey time about 40 minutes.

If you also want to go to Stonehenge, take the Stonehenge ho-ho bus from Salisbury station. Bus ride takes about 30 minutes, expect to spend about 90 minutes at Stonehenge then ho-ho back to Salisbury to check out the magnificent Salisbury cathedral and historic city centre. Ho-ho (if conveniently timed) or walk or taxi or local bus to Salisbury station for the train back to Southampton.

Post back if this is a sunday, there are a couple of complications.

Buy your Stonehenge tickets as well as ho-ho tickets from the ho-ho driver (same price as at the gate). This avoids the need for pre-purchasing a timed ticket to Stonehenge, and avoids wasting advance payment if your plans change. 

Stonehenge is no fun in bad weather 

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/

http://www.thestonehengetour.info

 

Winchester

Cathedral city only 15 mins by frequent trains from Southampton.

Older than Salisbury, it's the former capital of Wessex (King Alfred & all that). But narrow streets and rather more tourists make it feel more crowded, less laid-back.

Centred on Winchester Cathedral. Huge. IMHO not as inspiring as Salisbury's but centuries older. Houses the grave of Jane Austen. Interesting history of subsidence, and a tribute in the cathedral to the brass-helmeted deep-sea diver who a century ago spent years strengthening the foundations.

https://www.visitwinchester.co.uk/

 

London

Because of your late sailing time (double-check your latest back-on-board time - 7.30pm?) it's possible to visit London by train & make a decent fist of seeing  many of the main sights.

Walk-up train tickets are expensive (about £46 one-way) but you can dramatically cut the cost to as little as £9 one-way by buying "advance" tickets, which are available from about 8 to 10 weeks out. Check the fares for a date in March to get an idea. Those pre-purchased tickets are only available on a limited number of train times (but there's enough choice) and are only good for the train time that you purchase - miss that train & your tickets are trash so you'd have to pay the walk-up fare for the next one.

If you're confident about your disembarkation and re-embarkation times, on the current timetable I'd suggest pre-purchasing for the 08.30 or 09.00 (or both, to give you flexibility) and the return train at 5.05pm. That'd give you up to 7 hours in the big bad city. http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/

(Advance tickets for train to London are well worth the grief for the savings. But if you choose Salisbury or Winchester or Portsmouth the return train fares are cheap anyway, no need for advance tickets)

This info for monday-to-saturday , more-restricted timetable on sundays.

Your stations are Southampton Central to London Waterloo.

On arrival at Waterloo station I'd suggest that you start with a complete ho-ho tour with London Original (yellow route has a live guide) https://www.theoriginaltour.com/en/tours/hop-on-hop-off

or Big Bus https://www.bigbustours.com/en/london/london-routes-and-tour-maps/ from the ho-ho stop near Waterloo station (on the London Eye side of York Road ).

The buses doesn't go past Buckingham Palace - if you want to see it you have to get off at Buckingham Gate, walk round to the front of the Palace, then walk back to the ho-ho stop for the next ho-ho. If you've got a good seat on the ho-ho I suggest you forgo the Palace.

You should have time for an inside visit or two. Or my suggestion is that you jump off the ho-ho at Trafalgar Square & walk down Whitehall past Horse Guards Parade, Downing Street (Prime Minister's residence), the Cenotaph and (just off Whitehall, Churchill's War Rooms) to Parliament Square (Houses of Parliament & Big Ben, Westminster Abbey, etc), with such stops & meanderings as your time allows, before crossing Westminster Bridge & past the London Eye back to Waterloo station.

You might have time for a short river cruise between either side of Westminster Bridge and the Tower of London (included in ho-ho ticket) but you'll see little more than you saw from the bus - and you'd be wise to stay on the boat for the return/

All that said, the trip to London might spoil you for a "proper" visit of two to four days.

 

JB :classic_smile:

Wow just great information John. We are over night in Southhampton. We have hired a car to take us to Marlborough (as we are from the US and a sister town Marborough,  Massachsettes and the Costwalds. we have him about 8 hours. He asked me if there is anything special we wanted to see. Well we have never been to England but not interested in London. We like seeing the country side. So my question to you John are there any places of interest we must see during this drive you would recommend. Thank you in Advance.

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1 hour ago, ptrician said:

Wow just great information John. We are over night in Southhampton. We have hired a car to take us to Marlborough (as we are from the US and a sister town Marborough,  Massachsettes and the Costwalds. we have him about 8 hours. He asked me if there is anything special we wanted to see. Well we have never been to England but not interested in London. We like seeing the country side. So my question to you John are there any places of interest we must see during this drive you would recommend. Thank you in Advance.

 

There are various routes to Marlborough, all about 50 miles / hour and a quarter.

 

I'd avoid M3 / A34  via Newbury, which is fast but far from picturesque. That's unless you're keen to visit Highclere Castle (country house rather than crenelated "castle"), best-known as "Downton Abbey" in the TV series. (also the home of Lord Cardigan, who funded the discovery of Tutenkhamun's tomb).

 

To get the best out of the trip I'd suggest a route across a corner of the New Forest and Salisbury Plain..........

A few miles from the ship to Cadnam for a little taste of the New Forest from there to Fordingbridge, and on to Salisbury.

Half an hour or more to visit Salisbury cathedral & mebbe a drive-thru of the historic city centre. 

Leave Salisbury past Old Sarum (a stop at Old Sarum will cost mebbe 20 - 30 minutes - exposed site, no fun in foul weather) & turn left there off the main Amesbury road to go via the hamlets of the Woodford Valley.

A fairly distant drive-by photo of Stonehenge along the A33 (stopping on the road not permitted) or about 90 minutes plus entrance fees for a close-up visit.

Then the Wiltshire villages of Upavon & Pewsey to Marborough.

This route adds only a few miles to the journey, but a further 45 minutes drive-time (unless you avoid the byeways), plus any time for stops.

https://goo.gl/maps/mTic6LHj4HX41irR8

 

Just beyond Marlborough, west on the A4, you pass close to West Kennett Long Barrow (a 10-15 minute hike across fields) and past mysterious Silbury Hill on the way to Avebury Ring, which is 6 miles / 10 minutes from Marlborough. 

 

Silbury Hill is man-made but its origins are shrouded in mystery. Learned academics have many theories, but I'm inclined to believe the locals' explanation - the Devil was wheeling a huge wheelbarrow of soil from Bristol which he intended to dump on Marlborough because the townsfolk had disrespected him. He was struggling with the weight and when he met a cobbler, who had a string of shoes over his shoulder, he asked how far it was to Marlborough. The quick-witted cobbler, realising the Devil's intention, told him it was many many miles - "look, I've worn out all these shoes walking from Marlborough". So the Devil tipped out his wheelbarrow and turned back to Bristol.

 

You should have time for all of this in your 8-hour window :classic_smile: or check out Avebury Ring while you're there.

 

BTW you won't see any thatched roofs in Marlborough. :classic_sad:

They were banned by Act of Parliament centuries ago due to a couple of major fires in the town. Which is pretty ironic, because one of the fires was started by Cromwell's parliamentarians during the English Civil War.:classic_rolleyes:

 

Google those places, see what you think.

And if you pop into Polly's tearooms in Marlborough, say hi from Chris of Coliseum Coaches.

 

JB :classic_smile: 

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JB, Thank you very much for all of your great information!

I will go through it with my DH, you certainly helped us to make an informed decision on what to do.

Will post back when we decide.

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Thanks for all the suggestions.  We have Southampton as a turn around day off the ship then back on the same ship.

 

I have saved this thread for reference.

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53 minutes ago, phabric said:

Thanks for all the suggestions.  We have Southampton as a turn around day off the ship then back on the same ship.

 

I have saved this thread for reference.

 

 

Do check the terms of your back-to-back, as they could affect your available time in port.

Many of the suggestions aren't practical on a foreshortened day.

 

Will you be keeping the same cabin?

Will you have to return to the ship earlier than the usual 30 mins before sailing for a port-of-call ? That's a strong probability if you have to repeat the muster drill.

 

JB :classic_smile:

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On 1/17/2020 at 2:17 PM, John Bull said:

 

There are various routes to Marlborough, all about 50 miles / hour and a quarter.

 

I'd avoid M3 / A34  via Newbury, which is fast but far from picturesque. That's unless you're keen to visit Highclere Castle (country house rather than crenelated "castle"), best-known as "Downton Abbey" in the TV series. (also the home of Lord Cardigan, who funded the discovery of Tutenkhamun's tomb).

 

To get the best out of the trip I'd suggest a route across a corner of the New Forest and Salisbury Plain..........

A few miles from the ship to Cadnam for a little taste of the New Forest from there to Fordingbridge, and on to Salisbury.

Half an hour or more to visit Salisbury cathedral & mebbe a drive-thru of the historic city centre. 

Leave Salisbury past Old Sarum (a stop at Old Sarum will cost mebbe 20 - 30 minutes - exposed site, no fun in foul weather) & turn left there off the main Amesbury road to go via the hamlets of the Woodford Valley.

A fairly distant drive-by photo of Stonehenge along the A33 (stopping on the road not permitted) or about 90 minutes plus entrance fees for a close-up visit.

Then the Wiltshire villages of Upavon & Pewsey to Marborough.

This route adds only a few miles to the journey, but a further 45 minutes drive-time (unless you avoid the byeways), plus any time for stops.

https://goo.gl/maps/mTic6LHj4HX41irR8

 

Just beyond Marlborough, west on the A4, you pass close to West Kennett Long Barrow (a 10-15 minute hike across fields) and past mysterious Silbury Hill on the way to Avebury Ring, which is 6 miles / 10 minutes from Marlborough. 

 

Silbury Hill is man-made but its origins are shrouded in mystery. Learned academics have many theories, but I'm inclined to believe the locals' explanation - the Devil was wheeling a huge wheelbarrow of soil from Bristol which he intended to dump on Marlborough because the townsfolk had disrespected him. He was struggling with the weight and when he met a cobbler, who had a string of shoes over his shoulder, he asked how far it was to Marlborough. The quick-witted cobbler, realising the Devil's intention, told him it was many many miles - "look, I've worn out all these shoes walking from Marlborough". So the Devil tipped out his wheelbarrow and turned back to Bristol.

 

You should have time for all of this in your 8-hour window :classic_smile: or check out Avebury Ring while you're there.

 

BTW you won't see any thatched roofs in Marlborough. :classic_sad:

They were banned by Act of Parliament centuries ago due to a couple of major fires in the town. Which is pretty ironic, because one of the fires was started by Cromwell's parliamentarians during the English Civil War.:classic_rolleyes:

 

Google those places, see what you think.

And if you pop into Polly's tearooms in Marlborough, say hi from Chris of Coliseum Coaches.

 

JB :classic_smile: 

Thank You Thank you sir. This helps me so much. Indeed I will check all this out.

 

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JB - you haven't included the Magic Roundabout at Swindon ! Surely one of the Wonders of the Modern World!

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16 hours ago, wowzz said:

JB - you haven't included the Magic Roundabout at Swindon ! Surely one of the Wonders of the Modern World!

I have  seen that talked about before. Good thing we aren't driving. Roundabouts we have in the states but not like this.

 

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17 hours ago, wowzz said:

JB - you haven't included the Magic Roundabout at Swindon ! Surely one of the Wonders of the Modern World!

 

In 4,000 years archaeologists will excavate the Magic Roundabout, and argue about its purpose.

And at least one unscientific story handed down will include references to the Devil and the destruction of Swindon. :classic_wacko:

(See my comment about Silbury Hill)

 

Image result for swindon magic roundabout

 

JB :classic_biggrin:

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52 minutes ago, John Bull said:

 

In 4,000 years archaeologists will excavate the Magic Roundabout, and argue about its purpose.

And at least one unscientific story handed down will include references to the Devil and the destruction of Swindon. :classic_wacko:

(See my comment about Silbury Hill)

 

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JB :classic_biggrin:

Do I see cars in the outer circle going clockwise, while those in the inner circle are going counter-clockwise? And is that 5 more little clockwise roundabouts? If I ever got here I don't think that I would ever get out!

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4 hours ago, gnome12 said:

Do I see cars in the outer circle going clockwise, while those in the inner circle are going counter-clockwise? And is that 5 more little clockwise roundabouts? If I ever got here I don't think that I would ever get out!

Yes, it can be a little daunting when you first approach it, but strangely enough, it works quite well.

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