Cruise Ship Locations - During the cruise ship ban of 2020/2021/2022

[IrieBajan54]

"The Symphony of the Seas, which is part of the Royal Caribbean line, arrived this morning to aid in the repatriation of crew. Nation News understands crews are being transferred to other ships which are anchored offshore. Currently, there are five other ships from the Royal Caribbean line in Barbadian waters and the Independence of the Seas is expected to arrive tomorrow."

https://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/246563/biggest-cruise-liner-arrives

[Chiliburn]

https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/coronavirus-travel-what-happens-to-cruise-ships-during-covid-19
 

A interesting read

[By The Bay]

21 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/coronavirus-travel-what-happens-to-cruise-ships-during-covid-19
 

A interesting read

Very depressing.

[possum52]

42 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/coronavirus-travel-what-happens-to-cruise-ships-during-covid-19
 

A interesting read

It really appears it will be a long time before cruising is back.

 

Leigh

[OzKiwiJJ]

It certainly does, Leigh. 😪

 

But I wish the cruise lines would be more upfront and honest about when it will restart instead of cancelling cruises in dribs and drabs. I realise they are trying to manage the refund situation but it's still frustrating.

[Chiliburn]

I was listening to the radio and some experts said even with a vaccine it will be 2023 before we start to get back to normal.

@OzKiwiJJ cruise lines have always twisted the truth and they can see a cheap line of credit with unrealistic bookings.Agents are getting some revenue with fees.

 

What I’m thinking about the new ships that are currently being built and when they are delivered they have to be paid for. Most ships are around $1b each. That’s when the rot will set in.

[possum52]

1 minute ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

It certainly does, Leigh. 😪

 

But I wish the cruise lines would be more upfront and honest about when it will restart instead of cancelling cruises in dribs and drabs. I realise they are trying to manage the refund situation but it's still frustrating.

 It must be frustrating for those who have bookings and for those who are waiting for refunds or credits OzKiwiJJ.

 

Leigh

[Kiwi Kruzer]

9 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

What I’m thinking about the new ships that are currently being built and when they are delivered they have to be paid for. Most ships are around $1b each. That’s when the rot will set in.

The other thing I wonder with the sale of some of the older ships , is wether they have actually been sold or returned the owners or financiers of the vessels . Most cruise 

lines will have the ships”mortgaged” to the hilt and would be relying on cash flow to keep up the payments .

[OzKiwiJJ]

26 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

 

@OzKiwiJJ cruise lines have always twisted the truth and they can see a cheap line of credit with unrealistic bookings.Agents are getting some revenue with fees.

I don't think it's quite that simple and I don't think they are twisting the truth, just not being quite realistic enough. But, yes  having some income coming in would help them but it's not necessarily a cheap line of credit - many offer 25% extra FCC if you leave your money with them . Also the costs of doing refunds must be quite high.

 

But it would be nice if they'd announce cancellation of groups of cruises a few weeks before the final payment date for the first of those cruises, rather than leaving it to the last minute. Princess have been good in moving the final payment date from 90 days prior to 60 days prior but there are a series of September Sapphire cruises that are coming up to final payment which are not going to happen, especially now with the Melbourne outbreak. Even if Australia suddenly changed its attitude to cruise ships there is no way they could get the ship prepped and crewed in time. And aat this point in time there would be too many risks doing an Australian cruise. 

[Kiwi Kruzer]

2 hours ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

. Even if Australia suddenly changed its attitude to cruise ships there is no way they could get the ship prepped and crewed in time.

Yes ....preparing the ship would be a major. They need to order supplies well in advance . It would be a disaster if they ran out of food on the first cruise . 

[Kiwi_cruiser]

I had a laptop problem, so sorry for the delay in uploading theses. These where the last 3 Princess ships to leave Manila Bay.

 

Pacific Princess is off to Port Klang, Malaysia:

 

 

Sun Princess is off to Labuan, Malaysia:

 

 

Sea Princess is off to Singapore:


 

[Kiwi_cruiser]

When the Crown Princess left Manila Bay they got a nice Sunset to say Good Bye to them:

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Kiwi_cruiser

[By The Bay]

59 minutes ago, Kiwi_cruiser said:

Sun Princess is off to Labuan, Malaysia:

 

 

Isn't Labuan the place they do cold layup's?

[NSWP]

A lot of talk about Sun and Sea Princess being sold off, or even scrapped.  Carnival Corp is getting rid of 13 ships across its fleets.  It is written in the tabloids.

[MicCanberra]

And on facebook's Cruise critic pages.

[Blackduck59]

Wikipedia refers to them in the past tense ie: Sun Princess was and Sea Princess was. I know Wikipedia is a poor reference but was? To me was is something when the ship has been paid off and already at the breaker's yard. Like HMCS Huron was a Canadian Navy destroyer from 1972 thru 2000, her hulk was used as a live fire target and sunk, she is now an artificial reef off the coast of Vancouver Island. Was shouldn't be used for any ship that is still at sea with crew on board and life in her engines.

[Kiwi Kruzer]

Diamond Princess from the bridge cam on Golden Princess, anchored off KL Malaysia 

 

[MicCanberra]

Thanks David.

[Kiwi_cruiser]

After the Big move off cruise ship there is now only 8 cruise ships at anchor Manila Bay:

 

 

The ships still at anchor in Manila Bay: Carnival Splendor, Costa Venezia, Costa Atlantica, Caledonian Sky, Sliver Muse, Costa Venezia, Costa Neoromantica, Costa Serena and Norwegian Joy.

Of the coast of Manila Bay some of the Carnival ships had a crew swap day:

 

 

 

Carnival Spirit is on her way to Singapore:

 

 

 

Queen Elizabeth heading in to the Suez Canal

 

 

 

Queen Elizabeth is now out of the Suez Canal and heading for the UK 😞

 

 

[By The Bay]

2 hours ago, Kiwi_cruiser said:

After the Big move off cruise ship there is now only 8 cruise ships at anchor Manila Bay:

 

The ships still at anchor in Manila Bay: Carnival Splendor, Costa Venezia, Costa Atlantica, Caledonian Sky, Sliver Muse, Costa Venezia, Costa Neoromantica, Costa Serena and Norwegian Joy.

Of the coast of Manila Bay some of the Carnival ships had a crew swap day:

 

Carnival Spirit is on her way to Singapore:

 

Queen Elizabeth heading in to the Suez Canal

 

Queen Elizabeth is now out of the Suez Canal and heading for the UK 😞

 

Thanks for the updates.

[MicCanberra]

Thanks Stu

[Kiwi_cruiser]

Update - 19th July 2020
 

Sorry I have not posted a full update for a few days, I have been watching what the ships have been up to off Malaysia and Singapore:
 

Off Singapore we have at anchor:

• Costa Mediterranea
• Carnival Panorama
• Carnival Spirit
• Sun Princess
• Royal Princess
• Pacific Dawn
• Volendam

 

 

[edit] I forget to add Ovation of the Seas is out of AIS range so I think she is still off Singapore, but Iam not sure... [/edit]

 

Off Malaysia (Port Klang) we have at anchor:

• Pacific Explorer.
• Celebrity Solstice.
• Diamond Princess.
• Sapphire Princess.
• Ruby Princess.
• Pacific Princess.
• Island Princess.
• Noordam.
• Eurodam.
• Golden Princess.
• Zuiderdam.
• Sea Princess.

Yes, Majestic Princess is there, she in the 3 image and is next to the Eurodam (her label is not showing).

 

Docked in Port Klang, we have the Pacific Aria and Crown Princess:

 

 

 

Radiance of the Seas does not want to be with the pack and is hanging out anchored off Hong Kong!

 

 

 

 

Manila Bay:

 

There is now 8 ships at anchor in Manila Bay:

 

Voyager of the Seas, Costa Atlantica, Norwegian Joy, Norwegian Escape (New!), Spectrum of the Seas and Caledonian Sky:

 

 

 

Two of them Carnival Splendor and Quantum of the Seas have got to sea to make water.

 

 

 

 

Just a quick mention on the Costa ships who where in Manila Bay, apart from Costa Atlantica,

 

Costa Serena and Costa Venezia are now heading for Malaysia.

 

and Costa Neoromantica has been sold to Celestyal Cruises.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2020 by Kiwi_cruiser
to add Ovation of the Seas note.

[Kiwi_cruiser]

Here is the lasted update on Queen Elizabeth location:

 

[MicCanberra]

Wonderful work, cheers.

[lyndarra]

On 7/11/2020 at 9:38 AM, OzKiwiJJ said:

It certainly does, Leigh. 😪

 

But I wish the cruise lines would be more upfront and honest about when it will restart instead of cancelling cruises in dribs and drabs. I realise they are trying to manage the refund situation but it's still frustrating.

That's because no-one knows what the future has in store, even cruise ship companies. They what they can in an attempt to get some sort of cache flow to keep their heads above water for who knows how long. Acquiring deposits then converting to FCC is, IMO, borrowing from you, the cruiser, and hopefully repaying you by way of a cruise in the future. Interest on the loan could extend to OBC and other perks. Better than going to a bank, yes/no?