Doctor note.

[sailer1234]

Hello all sailors out there I hope that all of you are enjoying the best of health. OK now back to the topic. As all of you now know that all the cruise lines are asking for a doctor's note from people over 70 in order for them to cruise. Now as of today according to the CDC 40% of young adults are being hospitalized here in the U.S. So now what are the cruise lines going to do ask everyone to produce a doctor's note in order for them to cruise? If not I think they are going to have a big lawsuit coming against them because to me if they don't it looks that they discriminating against us seniors. And by the way I already had to cancel my cruise for May 24 because of this note ]cause I know I won't be able to get one because I do not have a family doctor. So my point is do you sailors think it's fair for us seniors to have a doctors note when the CDC just declared that this dreaded coronavirus affects all the young and old the same way?

[mugtech]

5 minutes ago, sailer1234 said:

 And by the way I already had to cancel my cruise for May 24 because of this note ]cause I know I won't be able to get one because I do not have a family doctor. 

And by the way I am not cancelling my May 2 cruise, waiting for RCI to cancel so I get my cash back.  Gonna cancel my 9/4/20 cruise before final payment and lose the $200 per cruise deposit.  What you gonna do with FCC and no doctor?  Won't put a deposit on a cruise until they eliminate the letter.

[crewsweeper]

14 minutes ago, sailer1234 said:

Hello all sailors out there I hope that all of you are enjoying the best of health. OK now back to the topic. As all of you now know that all the cruise lines are asking for a doctor's note from people over 70 in order for them to cruise. Now as of today according to the CDC 40% of young adults are being hospitalized here in the U.S. So now what are the cruise lines going to do ask everyone to produce a doctor's note in order for them to cruise? If not I think they are going to have a big lawsuit coming against them because to me if they don't it looks that they discriminating against us seniors. And by the way I already had to cancel my cruise for May 24 because of this note ]cause I know I won't be able to get one because I do not have a family doctor. So my point is do you sailors think it's fair for us seniors to have a doctors note when the CDC just declared that this dreaded coronavirus affects all the young and old the same way?

I heard that 40% of the cases were for people between the ages of 25-60, but that doesn't mean they were all hospitalized, most are quarantined.  Most have milder symptoms that do go away.  Many untested could also have symptoms and never know it.  And in Italy, the best sample size for how this virus works, only 12 of the people who have died had no other medical issues.  So it's imperative that older people with other medical conditions continue to be vigilant.  And for younger people to continue to practice good health habits and social distancing, especially when around older folks.

[Funky Fusion FoodsJ]

27 minutes ago, irzero said:

Words escape me.



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It is not discriminatory.  There are already many instances where seniors are required medical clearance.  As an example some excursions (such as scuba diving) requires medical clearance for seniors.

[atb]

although I have to say - I find scuba diving a bit more strenuous than cruising; but that's just me

[Iamcruzin]

2 hours ago, sailer1234 said:

Hello all sailors out there I hope that all of you are enjoying the best of health. OK now back to the topic. As all of you now know that all the cruise lines are asking for a doctor's note from people over 70 in order for them to cruise. Now as of today according to the CDC 40% of young adults are being hospitalized here in the U.S. So now what are the cruise lines going to do ask everyone to produce a doctor's note in order for them to cruise? If not I think they are going to have a big lawsuit coming against them because to me if they don't it looks that they discriminating against us seniors. And by the way I already had to cancel my cruise for May 24 because of this note ]cause I know I won't be able to get one because I do not have a family doctor. So my point is do you sailors think it's fair for us seniors to have a doctors note when the CDC just declared that this dreaded coronavirus affects all the young and old the same way?

I don't think that a Dr's note is necessary or even attainable.  First of all the facts aren't all in yet since testing is only happening now. My son was sick 3 weeks ago and wasn't able to be tested for Covid-19 so nobody knows if he had it or not. Second of all my other son who is only 24 has a kidney disease which would be compromised if he gets sick from this. He actually gets paid 14 extra days to stay out of work via a note from the Nephrologist and new government labor assistance during the pandemic. The cruise line wouldn't require a note from him.  This is just the cruise line covering their A$$....ets knowing that seniors are more of a risk in general.  What they should do is make everyone sign a waiver.

Edited March 19, 2020 by Iamcruzin

[stevea36]

This letter was part of the agreement between the cruise lines and the US Government and came out of the meeting with the VP.  I think part of it was to minimize the number of times the coast guard has to go out to a ship to transport a sick passenger, regardless of Covid-19,  It was developed by CLIA (Cruise Lines International Association) and the US Government together.

[Judyrem]

4 minutes ago, stevea36 said:

This letter was part of the agreement between the cruise lines and the US Government and came out of the meeting with the VP.  I think part of it was to minimize the number of times the coast guard has to go out to a ship to transport a sick passenger, regardless of Covid-19,  It was developed by CLIA (Cruise Lines International Association) and the US Government together.

That may be true, but I reiterate again the fact the "a rather large 45 year old on her scooter' is generally at MUCH GREATER RISK, than I am.  I bike 50 minutes five days a week, lift weights and do yoga.  So doesn't one imagine that a "note" should be required from  people on scooters?  Where is the logic in their decision?  BTW, not that there is anything wrong with people on scooters😮.

 

Bottom line, not one doctor I am acquainted with, would sign such a "note".

 

Methinks they do not not what life is like for normal people.

[Iamcruzin]

8 minutes ago, stevea36 said:

This letter was part of the agreement between the cruise lines and the US Government and came out of the meeting with the VP.  I think part of it was to minimize the number of times the coast guard has to go out to a ship to transport a sick passenger, regardless of Covid-19,  It was developed by CLIA (Cruise Lines International Association) and the US Government together.

That makes sense. If this is going to be permanent those transatlantic sailings to Europe will be empty. 

[Mapleleafforever]

Already a thread on Dr's notes. Hope this one gets merged.....

 

 

[Iamcruzin]

5 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Already a thread on Dr's notes. Hope this one gets merged.....

 

 

This and the Corvid-19 are the new, dress code, drink package treads. Get used to them until this is over and we can return to our regular scheduled program.

[TYinPalmSprings]

On 3/19/2020 at 7:04 AM, Funky Fusion FoodsJ said:

It is not discriminatory.  There are already many instances where seniors are required medical clearance.  As an example some excursions (such as scuba diving) requires medical clearance for seniors.

Yeah, but it's done BEFORE they ask us for full payment, NOT AFTER, like in this case. Sure, boot us from the ships now, and indefinitely,  but unless they want to be considered heinous thieves preying on the seniors in this world, they need to return our money without further delay, and do not ever expect us to book another cruise with them for the rest of our years. 

[molly361]

On 3/19/2020 at 10:16 AM, Mapleleafforever said:

Already a thread on Dr's notes. Hope this one gets merged.....

 

 

If we had any mods here it would but sadly it will be like the 55 other FCC threads etc and live on😇

[crazyank]

On 3/19/2020 at 1:04 PM, Funky Fusion FoodsJ said:

It is not discriminatory.  There are already many instances where seniors are required medical clearance.  As an example some excursions (such as scuba diving) requires medical clearance for seniors.

It most certainly IS discriminatory.   There are many people under the age of 70 with underlying health problems that could be seriously compromised by Covid-19.  Asking only those over 70 to provide a Doctor's note is blatant age discrimination. 

[crazyank]

1 hour ago, irzero said:

They said quarantine chinese people was discriminatory too. Look what happened.

Over 70 are the ones who die from corona. There is no treatment so unless you can be isolated in your cabin and get well on your own then it puts your life in danger and no cruise line wants that.

Using the small example of people younger with health conditions is just diversion tactics. Nearly all of those recover too if under 60.

I'm guessing this is such a big deal for americans due to lack of social healthcare. What is the cost of one of these letters? For UK and Europe it's likely nothing or a small fee and a trip to the GP.

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  Take a look at the news from Italy, Spain, and France about who is actually dying. As for the UK and Europe,  we have family in both places and so far, NOT ONE SINGLE DOCTOR IS WILLING TO SIGN THE LETTER.

Edited March 22, 2020 by crazyank

[crazyank]

On 3/19/2020 at 1:04 PM, Funky Fusion FoodsJ said:

It is not discriminatory.  There are already many instances where seniors are required medical clearance.  As an example some excursions (such as scuba diving) requires medical clearance for seniors.

requiring a medical clearance for a particular activity is understandable.    requiring a particular age group to get clearance before boarding a cruise ship is discrimination, period. People with diabetes,  high blood pressure, COPD, etc are considered high risk when it comes to Covid-19.  But if those people are less than 70 years old no cruise line is asking them for a doctor's note.

Edited March 22, 2020 by crazyank

[2cruisers in Georgia]

On 3/19/2020 at 7:33 AM, sailer1234 said:

Hello all sailors out there I hope that all of you are enjoying the best of health. OK now back to the topic. As all of you now know that all the cruise lines are asking for a doctor's note from people over 70 in order for them to cruise. Now as of today according to the CDC 40% of young adults are being hospitalized here in the U.S. So now what are the cruise lines going to do ask everyone to produce a doctor's note in order for them to cruise? If not I think they are going to have a big lawsuit coming against them because to me if they don't it looks that they discriminating against us seniors. And by the way I already had to cancel my cruise for May 24 because of this note ]cause I know I won't be able to get one because I do not have a family doctor. So my point is do you sailors think it's fair for us seniors to have a doctors note when the CDC just declared that this dreaded coronavirus affects all the young and old the same way?

I am very upset and resentful about this new requirement.  Now that we are at the stage in our life where we are free to do what we want, no longer needing to ask off at work or arrange childcare, now we have to worry about getting this letter from our doctor before we can cruise.  I’ve been on 77 cruises and it’s what I love to do.  I’m always planning the next cruise for myself, family and friends. I’ve introduced many people to cruising and Royal Caribbean.   But this new requirement has taken my excitement away.   I’m 72 years old and in good health.  

[sellwingri]

The letter requirement was put in place before RCI shut down.  No one knows if it will be required when they start sailing again.

[ATC cruiser]

If the letter does stick around, there is no way of verifying that the signature is from a real doctor. I believe a lot of them will be signed Dr Vinny Boom Bats.

[gadaboutgal]

This letter will end up to being equivalent to the health forms that were required to be filled out in the terminals before check in.  How many of us ever put down that we had any physical ailments before boarding?  

As for a true doctor's note, my dh asked his doctor during his usual appointment last week if he would sign the form.  Doctor said absolutely not and no doctor in the U.S. anywhere would sign it.

[gerif]

I am over 70 in good health. Have several good friends who are many years younger with severe health issues. Do I feel discriminated against? No. A line has to be drawn somewhere and I don’t feel this was done arbitrarily. Take car insurance. An 18 year old pays considerably more than a 30 year old but might be a much better driver. Lines must be drawn somewhere. 

[molly361]

1 hour ago, sellwingri said:

The letter requirement was put in place before RCI shut down.  No one knows if it will be required when they start sailing again.

For now it is still going to be required once they start up again.  There is notice to that effect on the Celebrity website not sure if it is on Royal's or not yet

[crazyank]

2 hours ago, 2cruisers in Georgia said:

I am very upset and resentful about this new requirement.  Now that we are at the stage in our life where we are free to do what we want, no longer needing to ask off at work or arrange childcare, now we have to worry about getting this letter from our doctor before we can cruise.  I’ve been on 77 cruises and it’s what I love to do.  I’m always planning the next cruise for myself, family and friends. I’ve introduced many people to cruising and Royal Caribbean.   But this new requirement has taken my excitement away.   I’m 72 years old and in good health.  

Spoke to a lawyer here about this a few hours ago. His opinion is that requiring a doctor's note in order to board a cruise ship based solely on age is definitely discrimination and completely illegal under EU law.  Keep in mind, this is an opinion.

[TYinPalmSprings]

3 hours ago, gerif said:

I am over 70 in good health. Have several good friends who are many years younger with severe health issues. Do I feel discriminated against? No. A line has to be drawn somewhere and I don’t feel this was done arbitrarily. Take car insurance. An 18 year old pays considerably more than a 30 year old but might be a much better driver. Lines must be drawn somewhere. 

but does the car insurance company agree to take your money, then change their policy after they have your money, refuse to insure your car, then keep the money? 

[Iamcruzin]

3 hours ago, gadaboutgal said:

  As for a true doctor's note, my dh asked his doctor during his usual appointment last week if he would sign the form.  Doctor said absolutely not and no doctor in the U.S. anywhere would sign it.

Any physician who is foolish enough to sign such a document deserves to be sued for malpractice. Even if you are safe to sail at the time of the visit we all know that when we are on vacation. We will participate in activities that we normally wouldn't or eat more or eat things we shouldn't. The Doctor can't guarantee  your behavior. A trip to the casino could trigger a respiratory issue or sitting in the sun could cause a stroke.