Is JUNE 2020 too soon?

[naxer]

I question if there will be any sailing before a vaccine, and that's a year away at least.  In the meantime we will be trying to contain and manage waves of infections from a contagious disease that seems to be spread by people who do not know they have it, and/or are contagious before they show symptoms.    

[outdoors27]

19 minutes ago, naxer said:

I question if there will be any sailing before a vaccine, and that's a year away at least.  In the meantime we will be trying to contain and manage waves of infections from a contagious disease that seems to be spread by people who do not know they have it, and/or are contagious before they show symptoms.    

Ships will sail before there is a vaccine.. It will be a different environment than in the past but those ships won't sit idle all summer.

[EscapeFromConnecticut]

3 hours ago, Earthworm Jim said:

 

I can fathom nearly anything with the White House impatient to get the economy up and running as soon as possible. But you're right that the CDC has been none too happy with the cruise industry recently.

The thing is, what happens this summer and fall really isn't up to the White House. Nor up to the CDC, nor the cruise lines, nor passenger demand.

 

The coronavirus killed dozens of passengers and crew, put others in ICU  and infected many, many hundreds more.

And it doesn't care about Trump/Biden, Pelosi/McConnell. It doesn't do what Fauci says, and it doesn't pay attention to what Hannity & Limbaugh proclaim.

 

If the virus is still around in July and October (and of course it will be), then cruising will be hideously dangerous - as it was in March.  
 

This isn't about the CDC's warnings or the governors' directions - it's about the undeniable reality of science.

 

That's why June 2020 is FAR too soon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jimbo5544]

Despite the sky is falling logic, people want to cruise.  I am an avid cruiser and would have been on 2 that were cancelled to date and 3 more scheduled in the next 3 months.  We would not cruise this summer, but will def cruise before the end of the year.  People died in hospitals and I would go, people died from contracting the virus in planes (WAY MORE THAN CRUISING) and I would fly, people contracted in in nursing homes and I will visit those poor souls in there once we can.  To suggest the industry is horribly tainted is a biased jaundiced view, one not held by the vast majority here.  Thank heavens.  

Edited April 20, 2020 by jimbo5544

[cruisebarbie]

We are scheduled for a class reunion cruise on Royal this June 16th.  I am amazed it hasn't been cancelled yet.  My flight got cancelled last week.  We are scheduled on Carnival for Christmas and I pray that we are able to take that cruise.  This has to get over soon.  If I can't cruise or have some vacation I am going to go crazy.  

 

Vicki

[ChinaShrek]

1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said:

 People died in hospitals and I would go, people died from contracting the virus in planes (WAY MORE THAN CRUISING) and I would fly, people contracted in in nursing homes and I will visit those poor souls in there once we can.  To suggest the industry is horribly tainted is a biased jaundiced view, one not held by the vast majority here.  Thank heavens.  

 

Do you have any evidence that flying is actually less safe than taking a cruise? Where are those cases of planes being quarantined? People have a responsibility not to leave their homes unless they know they are not infected. Otherwise, you are dangerous and I do not want you on my next cruise!

[jimbo5544]

9 minutes ago, ChinaShrek said:

 

Do you have any evidence that flying is actually less safe than taking a cruise? Where are those cases of planes being quarantined? People have a responsibility not to leave their homes unless they know they are not infected. Otherwise, you are dangerous and I do not want you on my next cruise!

If you want a serious conversation, we can discuss.  Foolish comments like that do not deserve a reply.  Here is a riddle for you.  How did the virus get to NYC, the epicenter for the world?  I will give you a hint, it has wings.  Wuhan had strong business centers and ties with Italy (Milan area), Spain, and Iran.  Where were the breakouts?  People and countries have acted responsibly (other than China), nobody said otherwise.  When is that time?  Next month, nest year, 2 years, 4 years?  I doubt we will be cruising together, but if we do, look me up, I will buy you a beverage of your choice and we can discuss this in detail (with facts).  

[jimbo5544]

57 minutes ago, cruisebarbie said:

We are scheduled for a class reunion cruise on Royal this June 16th.  I am amazed it hasn't been cancelled yet.  My flight got cancelled last week.  We are scheduled on Carnival for Christmas and I pray that we are able to take that cruise.  This has to get over soon.  If I can't cruise or have some vacation I am going to go crazy.  

 

Vicki

I sincerely doubt you will be on a Royal ship then, understand the strong desire to cruise.

[ChinaShrek]

11 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

If you want a serious conversation, we can discuss.  Foolish comments like that do not deserve a reply.  Here is a riddle for you.  How did the virus get to NYC, the epicenter for the world?  I will give you a hint, it has wings.  Wuhan had strong business centers and ties with Italy (Milan area), Spain, and Iran.  Where were the breakouts?  People and countries have acted responsibly (other than China), nobody said otherwise.  When is that time?  Next month, nest year, 2 years, 4 years?  I doubt we will be cruising together, but if we do, look me up, I will buy you a beverage of your choice and we can discuss this in detail (with facts).  

 

I do not believe that anyone should be allowed to board a cruise ship unless they can prove they do not have Covid-19 or any other bad virus. I do not believe that cruise ships will be allowed to sail unless they can prove everyone is virus free at embarkation.  Let's see who is right with their predictions in two or three years.

[jimbo5544]

10 minutes ago, ChinaShrek said:

 

I do not believe that anyone should be allowed to board a cruise ship unless they can prove they do not have Covid-19 or any other bad virus. I do not believe that cruise ships will be allowed to sail unless they can prove everyone is virus free at embarkation.  Let's see who is right with their predictions in two or three years.

LOL, ok, we will see.  How does one prove that?  Curious

[shof515]

10 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

LOL, ok, we will see.  How does one prove that?  Curious

i wont be surprised if we have to bring some kind of vaccine paper/medical history with us and show it at the terminal during check in.

[jimbo5544]

14 minutes ago, shof515 said:

i wont be surprised if we have to bring some kind of vaccine paper/medical history with us and show it at the terminal during check in.

It will be something that I am sure will continue to evolve and change.  It may become the new norm.

[ChinaShrek]

35 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

LOL, ok, we will see.  How does one prove that?  Curious

 

My point is that the cruising is inherently more dangerous than flying and that we will be able to fly without any tests long before cruising will recommence. Sure, Covid was transmitted around because of airplanes. That doesn't mean anyone became infected with the virus while they were flying.

[mouche]

On 4/18/2020 at 2:53 PM, slimknyzer said:

I found  great deal for a cruise out of Galveston late June, 2020.  It this too soon amid the Pandemic?  Will Carnival cruise by then?  What are your thoughts?

Just my opinion, but I don't think they will be sailing by June.

[mouche]

14 hours ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said:

The thing is, what happens this summer and fall really isn't up to the White House. Nor up to the CDC, nor the cruise lines, nor passenger demand.

 

The coronavirus killed dozens of passengers and crew, put others in ICU  and infected many, many hundreds more.

And it doesn't care about Trump/Biden, Pelosi/McConnell. It doesn't do what Fauci says, and it doesn't pay attention to what Hannity & Limbaugh proclaim.

 

If the virus is still around in July and October (and of course it will be), then cruising will be hideously dangerous - as it was in March.  
 

This isn't about the CDC's warnings or the governors' directions - it's about the undeniable reality of science.

 

That's why June 2020 is FAR too soon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well said!!!

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, ChinaShrek said:

 

My point is that the cruising is inherently more dangerous than flying and that we will be able to fly without any tests long before cruising will recommence. Sure, Covid was transmitted around because of airplanes. That doesn't mean anyone became infected with the virus while they were flying.

You and I have no idea how the majority of infected people got infected.  My point on planes is they have caused exponentially more deaths from the virus than cruise ships.  I do not know that I agree that going forward cruising will be inherently more dangerous.  Do you have facts that back that up. At some point (and that point is in the near future) the world will need to start living again.  We can embrace that and take what precautions we deem necessary or quiver in fear and live in a bubble.  Cruise ships are just the items under the bubble.

[Smooth sailor77228]

2 hours ago, shof515 said:

i wont be surprised if we have to bring some kind of vaccine paper/medical history with us and show it at the terminal during check in.

Forced vaccines in order to cruise? They cant even force kids to be vaccinated in order to go to school LOL. I know cruising is completely voluntary but I wonder what the domino effect would be.

 

That would be interesting and probably the start of some new standards across the board.

Edited April 20, 2020 by Smooth sailor77228

[shof515]

1 hour ago, Smooth sailor77228 said:

Forced vaccines in order to cruise? They cant even force kids to be vaccinated in order to go to school LOL. I know cruising is completely voluntary but I wonder what the domino effect would be.

 

i remember way back in the day when i signed up for both public school and college, i had to show them a vaccine report or whatever it was called at the time that show i had the MMR shot and a few other shots. its crazy to see that it was required back then and now it is not

Edited April 20, 2020 by shof515

[lottiegreen56]

6 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

Despite the sky is falling logic, people want to cruise.  I am an avid cruiser and would have been on 2 that were cancelled to date and 3 more scheduled in the next 3 months.  We would not cruise this summer, but will def cruise before the end of the year.  People died in hospitals and I would go, people died from contracting the virus in planes (WAY MORE THAN CRUISING) and I would fly, people contracted in in nursing homes and I will visit those poor souls in there once we can.  To suggest the industry is horribly tainted is a biased jaundiced view, one not held by the vast majority here.  Thank heavens.  

 

Jimbo when are you planning to book, not dates but when are you actually planning to pull the trigger? I'm getting some fabulous deals from the casino in terms of obc but they aren't  really great rates so if they cancel I don't know what will happen to the obc. I'm more worried about how the booking/potential rebooking/financials will play out than I am about the virus itself. 

[outdoors27]

1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said:

You and I have no idea how the majority of infected people got infected.  My point on planes is they have caused exponentially more deaths from the virus than cruise ships.  I do not know that I agree that going forward cruising will be inherently more dangerous.  Do you have facts that back that up. At some point (and that point is in the near future) the world will need to start living again.  We can embrace that and take what precautions we deem necessary or quiver in fear and live in a bubble.  Cruise ships are just the items under the bubble.

Well said.

[Smooth sailor77228]

18 minutes ago, shof515 said:

 

i remember way back in the day when i signed up for both public school and college, i had to show them a vaccine report or whatever it was called at the time that show i had the MMR shot and a few other shots. its crazy to see that it was required back then and now it is not

Yep me too. Now there's all these opt out options for religious, medical or even just personal reasons and its left up to each state to set their exemption laws, so unless the state requires it you can opt out. I live in CA and they just changed it a couple years ago to be absolutely required with medical reasons being the only exemption.

[Jobeth66]

2 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

You and I have no idea how the majority of infected people got infected.  My point on planes is they have caused exponentially more deaths from the virus than cruise ships.  I do not know that I agree that going forward cruising will be inherently more dangerous.  Do you have facts that back that up. At some point (and that point is in the near future) the world will need to start living again.  We can embrace that and take what precautions we deem necessary or quiver in fear and live in a bubble.  Cruise ships are just the items under the bubble.

 

Optics count for a lot.

 

How many planes sat on the tarmac for 3 weeks before passengers were allowed to get off?

 

How many planes let passengers off who then started an epidemic in an entire country, that's traceable back to THAT particular flight?

 

How many planes had passengers die of the virus en route and then just continued to fly in circles looking for a place to land?

 

The whole world has seen what's happened on cruise ships around this virus.  The governments of countries with major ports are going to want assurances that these risks have been mitigated before they allow thousands of people to descend on port cities for day visits.

 

That's just a fact of life.  Because if one port city has an outbreak that is traced back to a cruise ship, or we see cruise ships have outbreaks that result in mass quarantines and people dying being reported in the news, it's going to completely kill the industry.

Edited April 20, 2020 by Jobeth66

[outdoors27]

20 minutes ago, Jobeth66 said:

 

Optics count for a lot.

 

How many planes sat on the tarmac for 3 weeks before passengers were allowed to get off?

 

How many planes let passengers off who then started an epidemic in an entire country, that's traceable back to THAT particular flight?

 

How many planes had passengers die of the virus en route and then just continued to fly in circles looking for a place to land?

 

The whole world has seen what's happened on cruise ships around this virus.  The governments of countries with major ports are going to want assurances that these risks have been mitigated before they allow thousands of people to descend on port cities for day visits.

 

That's just a fact of life.  Because if one port city has an outbreak that is traced back to a cruise ship, or we see cruise ships have outbreaks that result in mass quarantines and people dying being reported in the news, it's going to completely kill the industry.

We'll never truly know how many passengers were ill on planes most like. You know as well as I do for the most part domestic flights are short 6 hours probably the longest, but then there was plenty of international flights that's spread the virus as well. Again you know that as well as I do. 

[Jobeth66]

2 minutes ago, outdoors27 said:

We'll never truly know how many passengers were ill on planes most like. You know as well as I do for the most part domestic flights are short 6 hours probably the longest, but then there was plenty of international flights that's spread the virus as well. Again you know that as well as I do. 

 

And I never said otherwise - we have no idea how many sick people were on planes.  Nobody does. So the optics /aren't there/.  We didn't see planes in the news flying in circles begging for an airstrip to let them land.

 

We DID see cruise ships on the news, every day, looking for places to dock.  We heard stories of people sick and dying and no one letting them off, no one wanting to take them.

 

Even NOW there are ships still sailing around.  It's visible.  What's noticed is what counts.  And right now the optics for the cruise lines are very, very bad.  One ill person can infect everyone on a ship and lots of people in lots of different countries.  So there's not going to be any ships sailing until a way has been agreed upon to mitigate those risks.  Those highly visible, very real risks.

 

Just because it's not 'fair' doesn't mean it's not accurate.  No cruises are going to sail until mitigation plans are in place.

[jfunk138]

I suspect the desperation of Caribbean islands to restart tourism will eventually override any concerns they have about the virus.  If you think the economic destruction in the US is bad, you haven't seen anything compared to these island nations where 70%+ of the economy is driven by tourism.   The question might end up being, how can we shuttle people from Florida to Grand Bahama to escape the CDC's jurisdiction and board cruises?