Trans Tasman Bubble ?

[Kiwi Kruzer]

Could travel between Australia and NZ resume soon ?
According to Winston both countries have “ beaten the crap “  out of the virus.

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/04/trans-tasman-bubble-could-happen-during-covid-19-alert-level-2-winston-peters.html

 

However , any such move would come with conditions .......could include a big increase in price  - social distancing , and a much longer check in - 4 hours has been suggested .
Cruising .?...imagine the queue to go ashore at a port of call .

[christodan]

If everyone on the cruise  is Australian or a Kiwi and the virus is considered 'eradicated'  in these two countries, then surely non of the extra measures are needed?

 

[By The Bay]

Unfortunately, I see flying returning long before cruising. 

[MMDown Under]

2 hours ago, Kiwi Kruzer said:

Could travel between Australia and NZ resume soon ?
According to Winston both countries have “ beaten the crap “  out of the virus.

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/04/trans-tasman-bubble-could-happen-during-covid-19-alert-level-2-winston-peters.html

 

However , any such move would come with conditions .......could include a big increase in price  - social distancing , and a much longer check in - 4 hours has been suggested .
Cruising .?...imagine the queue to go ashore at a port of call .

Expect NZ/Aus bubble to open by June.  As soon as the borders open between Australia and NZ, I can see Kiwis packing their bags for their Gold Coast holiday homes.  Weather colder here - 8c - 23c, but beautiful sunny day.

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by MMDown Under

[Pushka]

4 hours ago, MMDown Under said:

Expect NZ/Aus bubble to open by June.  As soon as the borders open between Australia and NZ, I can see Kiwis packing their bags for their Gold Coast holiday homes.  Weather colder here - 8c - 23c, but beautiful sunny day.

 

We still have state borders in place though! 

[MMDown Under]

1 hour ago, Pushka said:

We still have state borders in place though! 

Kiwis are lucky they can fly direct from NZ to Gold Coast.  Do you think they will open all state borders first?

[Pushka]

7 minutes ago, MMDown Under said:

Kiwis are lucky they can fly direct from NZ to Gold Coast.  Do you think they will open all state borders first?

But not even Aussies can get into Qld. 😀. Who knows. Each state is doing things differently. But the Rugby players from NZ got permission to fly into NSW? If they want AFL to open up then SA and WA need to open their borders. There isn't any hint of that yet. 

[SinbadThePorter]

6 hours ago, MMDown Under said:

I can see Kiwis packing their bags for their Gold Coast holiday homes.  Weather colder here - 8c - 23c, but beautiful sunny day.

 

Gold Coast today, sunny 11c-24c. 🥶

[SinbadThePorter]

8 hours ago, christodan said:

If everyone on the cruise  is Australian or a Kiwi and the virus is considered 'eradicated'  in these two countries, then surely non of the extra measures are needed?

 

Even if "eradicated" I don't think that means the risk of infection is zero. It might still pop up from pools of people who are asymptomatic, or from the foreign visitors we still have (e.g. bulk cargo crews, diplomats). I think the idea is to get the incidence of the virus down to such a low level that any virus outbreaks can be contained by a comprehensive testing scheme and quickly stomped out before they spread.

 

Which means that the government expects there to be further outbreaks. Even if it were an unlikely event, if an outbreak occurred on a cruise ship, what is the government supposed to do about it? It would be a huge mess that governments could avoid simply by preventing cruises. I don't see any of them taking the risk until covid-19 becomes a treatable illness that does not threaten the entire ship and the ports that she visits. That is, in several years.

[lissie]

18 hours ago, Pushka said:

But not even Aussies can get into Qld. 😀. Who knows. Each state is doing things differently. But the Rugby players from NZ got permission to fly into NSW? If they want AFL to open up then SA and WA need to open their borders. There isn't any hint of that yet. 

No not yet https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/warriors/121385241/queensland-nrl-teams-cleared-to-travel-but-no-green-light-for-warriors-yet supposed to be going tomorrow. Can't believe the arrogance of the sports officials- they are some sort of special compared to every  other business 

[lissie]

18 hours ago, MMDown Under said:

Kiwis are lucky they can fly direct from NZ to Gold Coast.  Do you think they will open all state borders first?

We can do a prisoner swap - the Ozzies can fly to Queenstown for the snow and we're fly to Queensland for the beach and sun!  I wouldthink that that the state borders need to open first. 

[MMDown Under]

50 minutes ago, lissie said:

No not yet https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/warriors/121385241/queensland-nrl-teams-cleared-to-travel-but-no-green-light-for-warriors-yet supposed to be going tomorrow. Can't believe the arrogance of the sports officials- they are some sort of special compared to every  other business 

Not happy!  Why special rules for footballers?  They are the ones in the news breaking the rules with regard to isolation/physical distancing.  The is a bad political move and shows lack of judgement.  

[MMDown Under]

56 minutes ago, lissie said:

We can do a prisoner swap - the Ozzies can fly to Queenstown for the snow and we're fly to Queensland for the beach and sun!  I wouldthink that that the state borders need to open first. 

Guess it depends whether states open their borders together.  Vic is not reducing restrictions until 11/5, whilst NSW Qld and NT have reduced restrictions this weekend. 

The National Cabinet has brought forward their next meeting a week, so they obviously have another announcement on the cards.

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by MMDown Under

[possum52]

2 minutes ago, MMDown Under said:

Guess it depends whether states open their borders together.  Vic is not reducing restrictions until 11/5, whilst NSW Qld and NT have reduced restrictions this weekend. 

 

No, not neccessarily correct re Victoria. The state govt will decide then whether it is possible to lift or modify restrictions depending on the number of positive cases in the next 8-9 days.

 

Leigh

[MMDown Under]

2 minutes ago, possum52 said:

No, not neccessarily correct re Victoria. The state govt will decide then whether it is possible to lift or modify restrictions depending on the number of positive cases in the next 8-9 days.

 

Leigh

Yes that is correct.  I assumed wrongly that they would be able to reduce restrictions then 

[icat2000]

On 5/1/2020 at 7:29 AM, By The Bay said:

Unfortunately, I see flying returning long before cruising. 

Yes because we need to get our local airlines going financially before we need to assist cruising companies. Also it help out both NZ and Australian domestic economics. 

 

Its time to explore your own countries. Go visit some little towns that you probably just drive through. There beauty everywhere. You just only have to look around the next bend. 

[icat2000]

8 hours ago, MMDown Under said:

Not happy!  Why special rules for footballers?  They are the ones in the news breaking the rules with regard to isolation/physical distancing.  The is a bad political move and shows lack of judgement.  

I don't get it either. Who gives a stuff about the professional sports. Why should they get preference. 

[VK3DQ]

3 hours ago, icat2000 said:

I don't get it either. Who gives a stuff about the professional sports. Why should they get preference. 

 

 

I agree , the footballers have proven that they cannot be trusted , so why give them special privileges?

 

be  far better to open travel to some Nurses or Hospital cleaners  far more useful to society

 

Regards

John 

[pully8]

Be happy to travel between oz and nz. Both are low density population areas.

However would be wary about how crowding will be managed and cleaning at ports, air or sea.

 

[Kiwi Kruzer]

Mothballing of tourist facilities is already underway . The Hermitage Hotel at Mt Cook has seen 170 jobs disappear and Queenstown has become a ghost town as Hotels Motels and Air B&Bs lie empty . Staff now unemployed have fled from the high rents of a once highly sought after destination . 
The real possibility of tourists coming back is looking further and further away.
 

 

 

Covid 19 coronavirus: 170 jobs on line at Mt Cook's Hermitage Hotel 
https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12329060

[lissie]

4 hours ago, Kiwi Kruzer said:

Mothballing of tourist facilities is already underway . The Hermitage Hotel at Mt Cook has seen 170 jobs disappear and Queenstown has become a ghost town as Hotels Motels and Air B&Bs lie empty . Staff now unemployed have fled from the high rents of a once highly sought after destination . 
The real possibility of tourists coming back is looking further and further away.
 

 

 

Covid 19 coronavirus: 170 jobs on line at Mt Cook's Hermitage Hotel 
https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12329060

To be fair May has been the  low season in Queenstown - for ever - after Easter through to June/July  when the snow comes was always the quiet time. 

 

It makes sens for larger places to mothball - and then look at opening up either for the ski season or summer.  I think many/most AirBNBs will become private rentals again and that will help with the over-supply of hotel rooms 

[banzaii]

On 5/2/2020 at 9:39 AM, MMDown Under said:

Guess it depends whether states open their borders together.  Vic is not reducing restrictions until 11/5, whilst NSW Qld and NT have reduced restrictions this weekend. 

The National Cabinet has brought forward their next meeting a week, so they obviously have another announcement on the cards.

 

Don't forget Mother's day next Sunday.  I wouldn't be surprised if they relax many restrictions even if just for the weekend.  If we see a spike in new cases in the next fortnight......

[MicCanberra]

Interesting to see what gets relaxed after Friday's national Cabinet meeting.

[By The Bay]

From Stuff.co.nz:

 

"New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will join Australia's national cabinet meeting on Tuesday to discuss COVID-19, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced.

 

They are expected to discuss a mooted "trans-tasman bubble" that would allow Kiwis and Australians to freely travel between countries."

[Kiwi Kruzer]

48 minutes ago, By The Bay said:

From Stuff.co.nz:

 

"New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will join Australia's national cabinet meeting on Tuesday to discuss COVID-19, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced.

 

They are expected to discuss a mooted "trans-tasman bubble" that would allow Kiwis and Australians to freely travel between countries."

WOW.......its an unprecedented move . Jacinda will be involved and speaking directly with the Australian Cabinet , live via video link . Another historic move .