June 1st announcement coming re: cruise protocol going forward

[hamrag]

29 minutes ago, njhorseman said:

"The line notes it will continue to work with all authorities to develop additional procedures in line with CDC and local health agencies around the world."

 

I am, surprised you are adopting 'Corliss style'....!  😂

[pcakes122]

15 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Right so what we said of this announcement was that it would be similar to the smaller cruiselines which you disagreed with. 

When did I disagree with that?  The only thing I commented on in relation to the announcement was that I wasn't convinced that NCL management encourages PCCs to tell the truth to customers.

[seaman11]

Just now, pcakes122 said:

When did I disagree with that?  The only thing I commented on in relation to the announcement was that I wasn't convinced that NCL management encourages PCCs to tell the truth to customers.

No, you said you wouldnt listen to a couple of poofy youtubers.  (paraphrasing of course)  that the protocals would be very different and more intense then the smaller sailings. 

[hamrag]

34 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

We were told the other day, what the smaller cruise lines announced would be far different from what the big 3 announced as far as changes for pax.  turns out it was very similar as expected by some of us. 

 Seaman, you continue to ignore the most significant element of what NCL have advised us thus far. NJhorseman posted it, to make it simple for you....as a further reminder, it is as follows:

The line notes it will continue to work with all authorities to develop additional procedures in line with CDC and local health agencies around the world."

[pcakes122]

3 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

No, you said you wouldnt listen to a couple of poofy youtubers.  (paraphrasing of course)  that the protocals would be very different and more intense then the smaller sailings. 

I actually never said that, or you misunderstood.   That is actually not even my opinion.  My opinion (hope) is that cruising wouldn't resume until it was actually safe - meaning no one would need masks or temperature checks or tests or anything like that.  I certainly don't want to cruise under crazy restrictions (in fact, I wouldn't because if those restrictions are in place then that says that even the cruise line thinks there is risk.)  My entire argument during all these weeks is against cruising TOO SOON and the crazy people who continue DENY the danger of Covid-19. 

 

That said, let me clarify again (for the 100th time) that I also don't believe in being locked in our houses with shades drawn peering out peepholes.  I go out every day and live my life - but I wear a mask and observe social distancing.  I think that's reasonable, but I still don't think it's safe or smart for there to be big crowds.  On land or at sea.  It's too much of a risk to spread the virus to many people at one time.

 

I will also add that I am not a scared-y cat who never plans to cruise again .  I now have TEN cruises booked between now and April 2022.   I just booked another one today, in fact.

[seaman11]

10 minutes ago, hamrag said:

 Seaman, you continue to ignore the most significant element of what NCL have advised us thus far. NJhorseman posted it, to make it simple for you....as a further reminder, it is as follows:

The line notes it will continue to work with all authorities to develop additional procedures in line with CDC and local health agencies around the world."

And if you read i responded to that.  look the new protocols are exactly what some of us have said for months, and now its come out some of you just cant admit they thought it would be stricter measures. 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by seaman11

[mugtech]

2 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

And if you read i responded to that.  look the new protocols are exactly what some of us have said for months, nad now its come out some of you just cant admit they thought it would be stricter measures. 

 

 

They told you the parts you wanted to hear, hoping the pax will book more cruises.  Let's wait to hear the rest of the story.

[seaman11]

1 minute ago, pcakes122 said:

I actually never said that, or you misunderstood.   That is actually not even my opinion.  My opinion (hope) is that cruising wouldn't resume until it was actually safe - meaning no one would need masks or temperature checks or tests or anything like that.  I certainly don't want to cruise under crazy restrictions (in fact, I wouldn't because if those restrictions are in place then that says that even the cruise line thinks there is risk.)  My entire argument during all these weeks is against cruising TOO SOON and the crazy people who continue DENY the danger of Covid-19. 

 

That said, let me clarify again (for the 100th time) that I also don't believe in being locked in our houses with shades drawn peering out peepholes.  I go out every day and live my life - but I wear a mask and observe social distancing.  I think that's reasonable, but I still don't think it's safe or smart for there to be big crowds.  On land or at sea.  It's too much of a risk to spread the virus to many people at one time.

 

I will also add that I am not a scared-y cat who never plans to cruise again .  I now have TEN cruises booked between now and April 2022.   I just booked another one today, in fact.

Right even though i would sail sooner than you i agree on your precautions. but the matter of this tread was the strictness of the first sailings , which many thought would be a terrible experience for cruisers. turns out it wont be.  i pointed out a while ago they have said they want to keep the same type of cruise experience as much as they could.  

 

i can live with these new protocols, and in fact i may wear a mask embarking or in elevators and avoid shows. 

and i always respect someones decision to cruise or not, we have all different health issues. 

[seaman11]

4 minutes ago, mugtech said:

They told you the parts you wanted to hear, hoping the pax will book more cruises.  Let's wait to hear the rest of the story.

 

Or they are not wanting it to be a terrible experience for some , imagine many go  and write a review how different it was and unpleasant. ppl would be scrambling to push their dates back and they would have a tough time selling out ships. 

 

 

yes there will be a few more changes , tenders, muster drills ect. but i dont think they want to mess with pax's enjoyment. 

[hamrag]

13 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

And if you read i responded to that.  look the new protocols are exactly what some of us have said for months, and now its come out some of you just cant admit they thought it would be stricter measures. 

 

 

You did respond, but in this and other posts you continue to insist that the final measures will not be stricter than already announced....you may, of course, be correct. On the other hand, incorrect....time will tell.

Edited June 1, 2020 by hamrag

[Hearthosesteeldrumsplayin]

Isn't it June 1st?  Do we have any information on what is proposed for cruising when it resumes?

[seaman11]

1 minute ago, Hearthosesteeldrumsplayin said:

Isn't it June 1st?  Do we have any information on what is proposed for cruising when it resumes?

Yeah they announced it, and its not bad at all as far as the passenger experience. 

 

 

https://cruisefever.net/norwegian-cruise-line-reducing-guest-capacity-on-their-cruise-ships/

[hamrag]

8 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

....the matter of this tread was the strictness of the first sailings , which many thought would be a terrible experience for cruisers. turns out it wont be....

 

Seaman, you need to listen more....no-one, not you or I or anyone else on here, knows for sure!!

[seaman11]

Just now, hamrag said:

 

Seaman, you need to listen more....no-one, not you or I or anyone else on here, knows for sure!!

But admit the new announcment of Protocols isnt as bad, as some thought. 

[hamrag]

Just now, seaman11 said:

But admit the new announcment of Protocols isnt as bad, as some thought. 

What has been announced so far is not as bad as some thought, but we do not know what the final iteration of these protocols will be. I have not, at any time, commented on what they would be....simply trying to highlight that the story is not yet complete. 😉

[pcakes122]

7 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Right even though i would sail sooner than you i agree on your precautions. but the matter of this tread was the strictness of the first sailings , which many thought would be a terrible experience for cruisers. turns out it wont be.  i pointed out a while ago they have said they want to keep the same type of cruise experience as much as they could.  

 

i can live with these new protocols, and in fact i may wear a mask embarking or in elevators and avoid shows. 

and i always respect someones decision to cruise or not, we have all different health issues. 

I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but the devil is in the details (which those "guidelines" are missing alot of details.)

 

Ok, so say they are doing touchless temperature checks at dining facilities.  Not intrusive you'll say, no problem.  Now, let's think about how that would actually play out on a ship (details which are not outlined in the guidelines.)  You are waiting to be seated at LaCucina.  The passenger that steps up behind you FAILS the temperature screening.  What happens?  Does the Maitre D call Security?  The Medical Department?  Where do they put the person?  What do they do with you and the others who were standing near the person?  Do they take you to Medical, too?  What about your dinner?   Do they ask the person with the fever where they just came from?   What if they came from the  casino?  Do they drag the fever person to the casino to point out where they were sitting so they can disinfect and clear the area?   Do you cruise all week hoping your cabin phone doesn't ring advising you that your dinner waiter from last evening now has a fever or tested positive for Covid?  What if you have an excursion planned that day?  And so on and so on and so on.

 

THAT is why I don't want to cruise until it is actually safe and none of these procedures are necessary. It would be disruptive and stressful and not a fun vacation.

[Fredric22]

It is 100% true that the cruise lines would rather not sail, then to sail with too many restrictions which would negatively affect the image of the business for years to come.  And also, it would make no sense of the cruise lines were not in close contact with the CDC in developing these new standards.  In fact, it is quite easy to see that NCL is taking the CDC guidance and acting upon it.  If you recall, the most recent no sail order contained language about increasing on-board medical facilities (that is now happening) as well as securing medical facilities at ports to deal with on-board emergencies (also now happening).  So, clearly, NCL is working with and following the CDC's guidance. 

[seaman11]

1 minute ago, hamrag said:

What has been announced so far is not as bad as some thought, but we do not know what the final iteration of these protocols will be. I have not, at any time, commented on what they would be....simply trying to highlight that the story is not yet complete. 😉

Come on now Humbug , thats it , at least gave me some kind of vindication. 

[seaman11]

7 minutes ago, pcakes122 said:

I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but the devil is in the details (which those "guidelines" are missing alot of details.)

 

Ok, so say they are doing touchless temperature checks at dining facilities.  Not intrusive you'll say, no problem.  Now, let's think about how that would actually play out on a ship (details which are not outlined in the guidelines.)  You are waiting to be seated at LaCucina.  The passenger that steps up behind you FAILS the temperature screening.  What happens?  Does the Maitre D call Security?  The Medical Department?  Where do they put the person?  What do they do with you and the others who were standing near the person?  Do they take you to Medical, too?  What about your dinner?   Do they ask the person with the fever where they just came from?   What if they came from the  casino?  Do they drag the fever person to the casino to point out where they were sitting so they can disinfect and clear the area?   Do you cruise all week hoping your cabin phone doesn't ring advising you that your dinner waiter from last evening now has a fever or tested positive for Covid?  What if you have an excursion planned that day?  And so on and so on and so on.

 

THAT is why I don't want to cruise until it is actually safe and none of these procedures are necessary. It would be disruptive and stressful and not a fun vacation.

I hear you there will be other details, and things behind the scenes we dont even know about, they might not tell us how they handle the bloke in front of me, im sure they will have other staff there to whisk them away or chuck them overboard. (jk)

 

im confident they want us to enjoy the cruise as much as possible and keep the same type of experience we once had , it is in their best interest to do so.   i certainly understand waiting, my father feels the same as you , worried his experience will change drastically. 

Edited June 1, 2020 by seaman11

[Maplemoose]

What they don't say is what happens when your temp is taken and it is over the limit. If that is at embarkation, does it mean you get turned away. That would mean every time you book a cruise in advance and run a temp on boarding day you would end up with an FCC and a wasted airfare. What about when they find you have a high temp on board? And if someone contracts the virus what happens to the cruise? Lots of questions still. Many may not be answered until cruises start and reviews are posted. A wait and see approach is best methinks, especially when you are travelling by plane and crossing the border. No masks maybe on ship but planes are requiring them and that too is a showstopper for many. The beat goes on! 🤣

[seaman11]

10 minutes ago, Fredric22 said:

It is 100% true that the cruise lines would rather not sail, then to sail with too many restrictions which would negatively affect the image of the business for years to come.  And also, it would make no sense of the cruise lines were not in close contact with the CDC in developing these new standards.  In fact, it is quite easy to see that NCL is taking the CDC guidance and acting upon it.  If you recall, the most recent no sail order contained language about increasing on-board medical facilities (that is now happening) as well as securing medical facilities at ports to deal with on-board emergencies (also now happening).  So, clearly, NCL is working with and following the CDC's guidance. 

 

 

well said  of course they have been in contact with them and have set up teams to do so. 

[seaman11]

6 minutes ago, Maplemoose said:

What they don't say is what happens when your temp is taken and it is over the limit. If that is at embarkation, does it mean you get turned away. That would mean every time you book a cruise in advance and run a temp on boarding day you would end up with an FCC and a wasted airfare. What about when they find you have a high temp on board? And if someone contracts the virus what happens to the cruise? Lots of questions still. Many may not be answered until cruises start and reviews are posted. A wait and see approach is best methinks, especially when you are travelling by plane and crossing the border. No masks maybe on ship but planes are requiring them and that too is a showstopper for many. The beat goes on! 🤣

From what was said before if you run a temp at the port of embarking , you would be denied boarding and get a full refund / fcc for the cruise. shouldn't be boarding with one anyway) that is part of the problem, many would board not feeling well for fear of losing out all the cruise money.  if found with a temp in the middle of the cruise it was suggested before that they would hold people in medical cabins or confine you to your room . if one tested positive for covid while on board  , im not sure if they would remove you at the next port or keep you in the medical quarantine cabins or what, that they havent disclosed. they could lock the whole ship down as that person could have infected many. so yeah there is some risk involved . 

[mugtech]

15 minutes ago, Maplemoose said:

What they don't say is what happens when your temp is taken and it is over the limit. If that is at embarkation, does it mean you get turned away. That would mean every time you book a cruise in advance and run a temp on boarding day you would end up with an FCC and a wasted airfare. What about when they find you have a high temp on board? And if someone contracts the virus what happens to the cruise? Lots of questions still. Many may not be answered until cruises start and reviews are posted. A wait and see approach is best methinks, especially when you are travelling by plane and crossing the border. No masks maybe on ship but planes are requiring them and that too is a showstopper for many. The beat goes on! 🤣

Hey Maplemoose, hope you come out to see us pull into Halifax in October.  I will fill you in on how it all is working, I'll be the guy with the Moody Blues face mask.  In Search of the Lost Chord

[bmwman]

17 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

From what was said before if you run a temp at the port of embarking , you would be denied boarding and get a full refund / fcc for the cruise. shouldn't be boarding with one anyway) that is part of the problem, many would board not feeling well for fear of losing out all the cruise money.  if found with a temp in the middle of the cruise it was suggested before that they would hold people in medical cabins or confine you to your room . if one tested positive for covid while on board  , im not sure if they would remove you at the next port or keep you in the medical quarantine cabins or what, that they havent disclosed. they could lock the whole ship down as that person could have infected many. so yeah there is some risk involved . 

But NCL have admitted (as have other lines) that they can not rule out the  Asymptomatic carrier and the CDC are therefore insisting on 100% testing on embarkation. Masks for passengers will be the norm. They have not said it but in the announcement they make it clear there  are more changes to come. The problem with this virus is the speed of its spread and once there is an outbreak all the measures announced will fail to stop the spread. Medical fact not a guess.

 

NCL are dong their best but even they can not fight an invisible enemy. 

 

One outbreak  on a cruise ship and all ports will close up it has been to.

 

WE need the virus to weaken or have a vaccine 

 

Kudos to NCL but there is a long way to go and gloves and or masks will be compulsory (Watch this space).

Edited June 1, 2020 by bmwman

[Fredric22]

I think the industry needs to get to a place that if there was a covid-19 case on-board, that person would be quarantined until they could be released to a shore-side medical facility without having the whole ship go on lockdown.  Having everyone be forced into their cabins and cut the cruise short is simply not sustainable in the long run (assuming Covid continues to circulate in the long run).  As far as having a fever at embarkation, it may depend on whether or not the person has other symptoms and if a rapid covid test is available to be performed at the pier.