PULLMANTUR

[so,ton saint]

Looking at the Pullmantur fourum all three ships   MONARCH     SOVEREIGN     HORIZON all on there way to Turkey for dismantling that didn,t take long any thoughts anybody.

[FIFE1]

Who knows what the cruise industry will look like. 

 

Celestial now pushed back start date till 31/3/21. Many of us will remember JD who works for them

[davecttr]

Apparently Costa have just disposed of Costa Victoria? for scrap, she is only 24 years old. Maybe anything built in the 20th century?

 

 

[Pensioncruiser]

Simon Calder on This morning show, who is normally very optimistic about the travel industry, said he could not see cruises recovering. 🤔

[mike x ftc]

Emma Cruises has posted a video about them returning to RCI and Celebrity, not sure myself why RCI want 2 small 20+ year old ships - especially a the moment!  It all looks a bit bleak..

 

[okavango]

3 hours ago, mike x ftc said:

Emma Cruises has posted a video about them returning to RCI and Celebrity, not sure myself why RCI want 2 small 20+ year old ships - especially a the moment!  It all looks a bit bleak..

 

If they still own them they will return to them first on cessation of lease

[davecttr]

They are south of Sicily heading for Turkey to be scrapped

[Pensioncruiser]

Looks like an interesting program on ITV at 9.00 tonight.

[bishop84]

It could be that Royal Caribbean are clearing the old (30+ year) ships from Pullmantur in order to move other tonnage to them once they sort out what is happening with their tonnage. As always everything is speculation until confirmed by the companies involved.

It is likely that there will be many 'middle-aged' ships available in the near future. Any speculation that TUI/Marella may take advantage of this situation?

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[davecttr]

40 minutes ago, bishop84 said:

It could be that Royal Caribbean are clearing the old (30+ year) ships from Pullmantur in order to move other tonnage to them once they sort out what is happening with their tonnage. As always everything is speculation until confirmed by the companies involved.

It is likely that there will be many 'middle-aged' ships available in the near future. Any speculation that TUI/Marella may take advantage of this situation?

Maybe more likely that Marella will be getting rid of even more ships. If TUI decide to downsize their cruise fleet the only 'old' ship they have is Mein Schiff Herz which should have been Explorer 2. As the current Explorer 2 is IMO not as good as the Discoveries get rid of that and transfer Herz to Marella. TUI other 6 ships are all built post 2014.

[so,ton saint]

17 hours ago, bishop84 said:

It could be that Royal Caribbean are clearing the old (30+ year) ships from Pullmantur in order to move other tonnage to them once they sort out what is happening with their tonnage. As always everything is speculation until confirmed by the companies involved.

It is likely that there will be many 'middle-aged' ships available in the near future. Any speculation that TUI/Marella may take advantage of this situation?

 

I think you might be right bishop84  Spain is a big country and should have its own cruise line as you said i can see the rest of Vision class ships going across ,and possible a Radiance class, and Celebrity have three Century class could off load. 

As always everything is speculation.

[Jack McGowan]

On 7/2/2020 at 5:37 PM, davecttr said:

Maybe more likely that Marella will be getting rid of even more ships. If TUI decide to downsize their cruise fleet the only 'old' ship they have is Mein Schiff Herz which should have been Explorer 2. As the current Explorer 2 is IMO not as good as the Discoveries get rid of that and transfer Herz to Marella. TUI other 6 ships are all built post 2014.

Don’t think that Marella would get rid of Explorer 2 now that they have spent all that money on her refurbishment, the plan originally was that when Celebration left Herz would transfer to Marella as Explorer 3 - this would then tie in with the arrival of Mein Schiff 7. Obviously this might be all up in the air now and will probably be pushed back rather than brought forward. 
 

I think right now another Discovery is more likely than Herz transferring. 

[bishop84]

Pullmantur's Monarch has now arrived off Aliaga, Turkey; a place where many ships have met their end. Apparently Sovereign is to follow shortly.

Looks like Carnival's oldest ship the Carnival Fantasy is possibly heading for the same fate as she has sailed from Curacao with an AIS destination of Izmir, Turkey; which is very near to Aliaga.