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21 hours ago, Joebucks said:

 

There are ton of people itching at the bit to cruise immediately, and ships will likely not be sailing at full capacity.

Assuming by "ton" you mean volumes of people that will fill ships, I don't think that is true and I've not seen anything to support that claim.  On the other hand if you actually mean 2000 lbs of people, well, that might actually be closer to reality 😉

I suspect the market for cruising has been severely damaged by this pandemic.  After seeing cruise ships spread the virus as some did and then others get stuck at sea for extended periods, I suspect there will need to be a lot of trust rebuilt before the market returns.

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3 hours ago, PATRLR said:

Assuming by "ton" you mean volumes of people that will fill ships, I don't think that is true and I've not seen anything to support that claim.  On the other hand if you actually mean 2000 lbs of people, well, that might actually be closer to reality 😉

I suspect the market for cruising has been severely damaged by this pandemic.  After seeing cruise ships spread the virus as some did and then others get stuck at sea for extended periods, I suspect there will need to be a lot of trust rebuilt before the market returns.

 

There is an avalanche of demand, according to CEO interviews I have seen on cnbc TV for both ncl and carnival. The long, long carnival interview was most recent and maybe archived on the web for you. He talks about raising costs for them and raising prices for us. This is not a mean or selfish thing but a rational response to market demand and fair allocation of sometimes scarce cabins.

 

I think the media overly feeds a bunker mentality in it's search for clicks. Meanwhile there is another demographic fed up being metaphorically told to eternally limit driving to 10mph in order to save just one more life. Plenty of customers appear to have boldness to test the new cruise safety measures, and the rest can profit from their teething hiccups for this and all future disease cycles.

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3 minutes ago, dumbth said:

 

There is an avalanche of demand, according to CEO interviews I have seen on cnbc TV for both ncl and carnival. The long, long carnival interview was most recent and maybe archived on the web for you. He talks about raising costs for them and raising prices for us. This is not a mean or selfish thing but a rational response to market demand and fair allocation of sometimes scarce cabins.

 

I think the media overly feeds a bunker mentality in it's search for clicks. Meanwhile there is another demographic fed up being metaphorically told to eternally limit driving to 10mph in order to save just one more life. Plenty of customers appear to have boldness to test the new cruise safety measures, and the rest can profit from their teething hiccups for this and all future disease cycles.

Interesting, especially in light of Carnival reportedly scrapping or selling up to 13 ships to adjust for lack of demand. Del Rio is just arrogant and stuck on himself, so I dismiss a lot of what he says as hot air.

 

Demand nowhere else but in the cruise industry, eh? Our local airport is at 30% operations. Average reported hotel vacancy in the high 70%. But waiting lists to travel in the close confines of the cruise ship as Covid cases surge. Think about that. Does this really make sense to you? Aside from the "diehards", no one is beating down the doors to cruise. Just look at the capacity for any of the traditionally busy Christmas sailings to the Caribbean. You can have any stateroom category and class within each category. These ships are expectedly wide open with capacity. The general public is afraid get on a cruise ship right now.

 

Well, I predict it's gonna be a long, long time before anyone gets to test any new safety measures. I think the industry is cancelled for the rest of 2020 and possibly into 2021. Whatever remains when cruising starts back up is gonna look a heck of a lot different than what we've all become accustomed to.

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13 hours ago, dumbth said:

 

There is an avalanche of demand, according to CEO interviews I have seen on cnbc TV for both ncl and carnival.

I'm not going to put a whole lot of value on media interviews.  I'd expect them to paint a rosy picture.  I'll go with the data such as this:

13 hours ago, luv2kroooz said:

Interesting, especially in light of Carnival reportedly scrapping or selling up to 13 ships to adjust for lack of demand. 

 

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14 hours ago, luv2kroooz said:

Interesting, especially in light of Carnival reportedly scrapping or selling up to 13 ships to adjust for lack of demand. Del Rio is just arrogant and stuck on himself, so I dismiss a lot of what he says as hot air.

 

Demand nowhere else but in the cruise industry, eh? Our local airport is at 30% operations. Average reported hotel vacancy in the high 70%. But waiting lists to travel in the close confines of the cruise ship as Covid cases surge. Think about that. Does this really make sense to you? Aside from the "diehards", no one is beating down the doors to cruise. Just look at the capacity for any of the traditionally busy Christmas sailings to the Caribbean. You can have any stateroom category and class within each category. These ships are expectedly wide open with capacity. The general public is afraid get on a cruise ship right now.

 

Well, I predict it's gonna be a long, long time before anyone gets to test any new safety measures. I think the industry is cancelled for the rest of 2020 and possibly into 2021. Whatever remains when cruising starts back up is gonna look a heck of a lot different than what we've all become accustomed to.

 

Pretty hard to call the removal of 13 ships a lack of demand when there aren't any bookings available. Cruise companies are burning through cash at the moment, and they want to unload some liabilities. It is safe to say that there are people out there wanting to cruise without implying customer levels are as high as they are before. (I am one of them)

 

The uncertainty is killing it more than anything for most people, let alone the no sail order. Some don't want to make plans for something that is likely to be cancelled. Some don't want to wear masks while on vacation. Some don't want to risk the health portion. Some don't want to risk being quarantined. Some will just wait until they believe it will blow over.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Joebucks said:

 

Pretty hard to call the removal of 13 ships a lack of demand when there aren't any bookings available. Cruise companies are burning through cash at the moment, and they want to unload some liabilities. It is safe to say that there are people out there wanting to cruise without implying customer levels are as high as they are before. (I am one of them)

 

The uncertainty is killing it more than anything for most people, let alone the no sail order. Some don't want to make plans for something that is likely to be cancelled. Some don't want to wear masks while on vacation. Some don't want to risk the health portion. Some don't want to risk being quarantined. Some will just wait until they believe it will blow over.

 

 

I wouldn't describe the situation as an "avalanche" of demand. Fantasy, and possibly Inspiration, headed to scrapyard as I type. Have you seen the recently published EU recommendations? Probably going to reduce demand even further. Predictable result 

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It does confuse the mind that prices are still high for cruises that are not happening.  I am guessing NCL is reserved to slash prices because when and if sailing resumes, they may be sailing at 50% capacity and will need every dollar, nickel and dime.

 

 

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Many I know have the same attitude as myself, not thinking about booking a cruise until it actually starts up again and we get some news and reviews.  Once a week I check out cruises in 2022, expensive right now, but who knows what will happen the next 18 months?

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I am also monitoring a few cruises in 2022 and they are running really high but I have plenty of time to see how things develop. I wouldn't consider booking at the current prices - they are just too high.   I also live close enough to NYC (5 hours) that a last minute deal is an option for us.  We shall see.   

 

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10 hours ago, CruzRamirez said:

NCL should lower their prices and then profit off selling add-ons like COVID 19 tests for $500 and fashionable cruise PPE.

Haha. $500 plus a 20% convenience fee.

Except many don't want to wear PPE on a cruise ship or in the ports of call.

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On 7/13/2020 at 4:08 PM, luv2kroooz said:

Interesting, especially in light of Carnival reportedly scrapping or selling up to 13 ships to adjust for lack of demand. Del Rio is just arrogant and stuck on himself, so I dismiss a lot of what he says as hot air.

 

Demand nowhere else but in the cruise industry, eh? Our local airport is at 30% operations. Average reported hotel vacancy in the high 70%. But waiting lists to travel in the close confines of the cruise ship as Covid cases surge. Think about that. Does this really make sense to you? Aside from the "diehards", no one is beating down the doors to cruise. Just look at the capacity for any of the traditionally busy Christmas sailings to the Caribbean. You can have any stateroom category and class within each category. These ships are expectedly wide open with capacity. The general public is afraid get on a cruise ship right now.

 

Well, I predict it's gonna be a long, long time before anyone gets to test any new safety measures. I think the industry is cancelled for the rest of 2020 and possibly into 2021. Whatever remains when cruising starts back up is gonna look a heck of a lot different than what we've all become accustomed to.

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When you can book Cafe de Paris, in Monaco for four days in October for £1505.00, Are people running back to vacations? 
Don't think So! 
Ships will be running at 30% not by choice, but demand.

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I book my cruises on NCL through their Casinos At Sea program. I was fortunate enough to win a large jackpot back in 2016 and their offers to me since have been amazing. The cabin is comp'ed and usually upgraded to a balcony or mini-suite and includes all of their Free at Sea promotions. I only have to pay port fees and taxes which usually amount to 500-600 USD.

 

I just booked a cruise for December 2020 and they upgraded me to a Club Balcony Suite that includes full access to the thermal suite. My total cost for the 7-day cruise is 560 USD.

 

I have been on cruises with NCL where the total cost was as low as 370 USD. I typically use the extra savings for additional perks on the ship, like more specialty dining.

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