Ships to sail at reduced capacity until AT LEAST 2022

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

12 minutes ago, DGP1111 said:

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[Not conjecture >>] On occasion, Carnival's IT department blows worse than Steak & Shake fries. 😲  These current unique times are putting them through some real tests, and it will get worse before it gets better. 

 

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  I like the updated Avatar (well, it's at least new to me)!

 

Funny about the Steak & Shake fries - I never cared for them, not one tiny bit. Cheryl, on the other hand, sings their praises for some reason - lol

 

Tom

[jimbo5544]

3 hours ago, skridge said:

Wow the sincerity.  Thank goodness it was Sunday.  I never said Carnival was not the funship.  I just got berated for saying it was a family cruiseline.  Found proof from a top level Carnival person that it is a family cruise line.  Never said it was not also the funship.  Yet you still can't admit that what I said was in fact correct.  

Did I not say you were right?  Let me post it so there is no doubt, Carnival is the family cruise line, skridge is 100% right.  

[ladylyn915]

3 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

Please explain to me what the difference is between parents in one cabin and their young children in an adjoining cabin versus how they live at home?  The adjoining cabin would be attached versus the kids being down the hall at home.  A couple does not sleep with their 8 and 10 year olds in the same room at home.  An under 5 year old may climb into bed with you if scared and they could do the same exact thing if they were on their first cruise and were in an adjoining cabin.

Ok.  Again only my perspective - maybe I am a majority of one.  For starters, at home I do not have a balcony that leads to an ocean.  Next, I assume there is a way to keep the connecting door open, but a child could close it and lock it.  Next, they could unlock the door of the cabin they are in and decide to take a walk while everyone else is sleeping.  Further, they are in an unfamiliar place and could get disoriented if they wake up in a strange room and not see us. I believe I would hear movement within my cabin that I might not in a connecting cabin.  And, all of this assumes the cabin is connecting.  What if there aren't any? 

So, it is not the same as being home for me.  For those that agree with you and see no issue, they should book two cabins.

PS.  I wouldn't put a couple of 5 & 7 year olds in a connecting room alone in a hotel either.

 

Its all good - We can just agree to disagree - happy sailing!!

Lyn

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, DGP1111 said:

 

 

Host C frowns on off-topic posts, and here I am adding to that very thing, so I'll deserve any deletion or slap on my head.

 

[Conjecture >>]  That base number seems a bit odd to me, but I have zero clue what it truly is, so I'll go with it. 😉 But I will add that I personally feel the average, whatever it may be, will go the opposite direction of your prediction . . . at least for a short while.  I'm not talking about big/significant jumps, but trending toward a bit older, due to repeat bookings of repeat passengers. I think that the VIFP data base is going to get a bigger analytics workout in 2020/2021 than it has in a long time, and could become a bit of a financial saving grace. If that happens, it could be a very smart move. [<< Conjecture]

 

[Not conjecture >>] On occasion, Carnival's IT department blows worse than Steak & Shake fries. 😲  These current unique times are putting them through some real tests, and it will get worse before it gets better. 

 

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Lol, you might be right about the next year or ao skewing the numbers.  

[jimbo5544]

3 hours ago, DGP1111 said:

 

 

Host C frowns on off-topic posts, and here I am adding to that very thing, so I'll deserve any deletion or slap on my head.

 

[Conjecture >>]  That base number seems a bit odd to me, but I have zero clue what it truly is, so I'll go with it. 😉 But I will add that I personally feel the average, whatever it may be, will go the opposite direction of your prediction . . . at least for a short while.  I'm not talking about big/significant jumps, but trending toward a bit older, due to repeat bookings of repeat passengers. I think that the VIFP data base is going to get a bigger analytics workout in 2020/2021 than it has in a long time, and could become a bit of a financial saving grace. If that happens, it could be a very smart move. [<< Conjecture]

 

[Not conjecture >>] On occasion, Carnival's IT department blows worse than Steak & Shake fries. 😲  These current unique times are putting them through some real tests, and it will get worse before it gets better. 

 

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It is not 50, but in the fifties, 56 sticks in my mind.  

[dave_k58]

On 7/10/2020 at 5:55 PM, Saint Greg said:

 

They can. They would just have to buy two rooms. A lot of families do it that way already.

I personally think that more than 2 to a room is too crowded.  Even the suites are smaller than an average motel room

[PhillyFan33579]

5 hours ago, dave_k58 said:

I personally think that more than 2 to a room is too crowded.  Even the suites are smaller than an average motel room

This definitely comes down to personal preference. Every once in awhile someone will post a question similar to are inside cabins big enough for three people. I think balcony cabins are not really big enough for three people although I have done it a few times, but I would never do 3 people in an interior room. But like I mentioned already, this comes down to personal preference and often times to financial considerations as well. 

[skridge]

14 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

This definitely comes down to personal preference. Every once in awhile someone will post a question similar to are inside cabins big enough for three people. I think balcony cabins are not really big enough for three people although I have done it a few times, but I would never do 3 people in an interior room. But like I mentioned already, this comes down to personal preference and often times to financial considerations as well. 

I have done 5 in an interior room on several Carnival cruises.  I can tell you for certain it was not personal preference.  It was 100% financial consideration.  Luckily my family spends very little time in the room and we had a great time on each of the cruises.

[jean87510]

22 hours ago, ladylyn915 said:

Ok.  Again only my perspective - maybe I am a majority of one.  For starters, at home I do not have a balcony that leads to an ocean.  Next, I assume there is a way to keep the connecting door open, but a child could close it and lock it.  Next, they could unlock the door of the cabin they are in and decide to take a walk while everyone else is sleeping.  Further, they are in an unfamiliar place and could get disoriented if they wake up in a strange room and not see us. I believe I would hear movement within my cabin that I might not in a connecting cabin.  And, all of this assumes the cabin is connecting.  What if there aren't any? 

So, it is not the same as being home for me.  For those that agree with you and see no issue, they should book two cabins.

PS.  I wouldn't put a couple of 5 & 7 year olds in a connecting room alone in a hotel either.

 

Its all good - We can just agree to disagree - happy sailing!!

Lyn

There's something called a baby monitor or camera. Not being sarcastic. I have used this for 16, 10 and 8 yr old. Plus we had inside cabins.

[LMaxwell]

How can they generate enough revenue to sustain themselves with 50% capacity? 

[HaveWeMetYet]

6 minutes ago, LMaxwell said:

How can they generate enough revenue to sustain themselves with 50% capacity? 

They can't but it cuts down on the cash bleed compared to the ships sitting idle.

[drsel]

How can they generate enough revenue to sustain themselves with 50% capacity? 

On board sales of alcohol, shore excursions, photos, gifts, casino, spa, future Cruise sales and speciality dining are ways of increasing revenue.

prices of all these will be increased substantially.
Studies have shown that the average cruiser spends around $400 on board (per person per 7 night Cruise)

[LMaxwell]

15 minutes ago, HaveWeMetYet said:

They can't but it cuts down on the cash bleed compared to the ships sitting idle.

Depends.  Is operating at 50% capacity and paying for fuel, crew, food, maintenance less of a drain than laying up without guests? 

 

13 minutes ago, drsel said:

On board sales of alcohol, shore excursions, photos, gifts, casino, spa, future Cruise sales and speciality dining are ways of increasing revenue.

prices of all these will be increased substantially.
Studies have shown that the average cruiser spends around $400 on board (per person per 7 night Cruise)

 

And typically when cruises were at 100-105% capacity they didn't turn profits until near the end of a voyage. You may be right; we may see big increases in the costs associated with those things. But that would just keep me away from the upcharges rather than attract me. A steak dinner only has so much value to it above and beyond what you've already paid for. They'll have to find the right balance. 

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, HaveWeMetYet said:

They can't but it cuts down on the cash bleed compared to the ships sitting idle.

And it also HOPEFULLY shows that cruises can be done safely which will lead to more bookings and future profits.

 

[RWolver672]

14 hours ago, LMaxwell said:

How can they generate enough revenue to sustain themselves with 50% capacity? 

 

A few years back on the Travel Channel, they did a show about RCL ships.  The CD said that if the ship sails full, the passenger fare covers the expense of the cruise to operate.  Their profit comes from onboard spending.  On that particular sailing, they started making a  profit on the second to the last day of a seven day cruise.

[Joebucks]

16 hours ago, LMaxwell said:

How can they generate enough revenue to sustain themselves with 50% capacity? 

 

Contrary to popular belief, they do not "break even" at 100% capacity. They are profitable far below that.

 

Sailing with revenues is more sustainable than closing down shop for months at a time. Some staff you have to pay regardless. Some staff you can cut down on.

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

58 minutes ago, Joebucks said:

 

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Sailing with revenues is more sustainable than closing down shop for months at a time. Some staff you have to pay regardless. Some staff you can cut down on.

 

Yep - the cruise lines have become skilled at trimming staff. When they resume operations I wouldn't be surprised to see 1 waiter for each side of the dining room, and 2 cabin stewards per deck (port/starboard).

 

jk

 

Tom

[xDisconnections]

16 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

Yep - the cruise lines have become skilled at trimming staff. When they resume operations I wouldn't be surprised to see 1 waiter for each side of the dining room, and 2 cabin stewards per deck (port/starboard).

 

jk

 

Tom

You joke but they may try.

[MrsKC08]

On the shareholders call on Friday, they mentioned the break even point was at less than 1/2 capacity, or there abouts. I'd have to go back and read the transcript. 

[Eli_6]

With the above said, I do agree that I would be leery of having them in a balcony room by themselves.  I think Carnival actually prohibits children under a certain age from being booked in a balcony room without an adult.  You can book children by themselves in a room next door if the children are in an inside room.  

[drsel]

I would prefer my child or children below 12 years to stay with me in the same cabin, because even if I book another cabin for them they will any way be in my room all the time.

But a mother knows best what is best for her family

[drsel]

My 6 year old would even refuse to sleep in another cabin, even if there was a connecting door.

[firefly333]

On 7/13/2020 at 6:26 AM, PhillyFan33579 said:

This definitely comes down to personal preference. Every once in awhile someone will post a question similar to are inside cabins big enough for three people. I think balcony cabins are not really big enough for three people although I have done it a few times, but I would never do 3 people in an interior room. But like I mentioned already, this comes down to personal preference and often times to financial considerations as well. 

The inside sf of a balcony cabin is exactly the same generally as the sf of a inside cabin

 

Before someone jumps on me, yes of course there are odd ball cabins. Ovs have more space inside than all 3. The balcony itself is the extra sf on the balcony sf they post.

[Purvis1231]

On 7/10/2020 at 4:46 PM, Saint Greg said:

 

Unless you've already booked at a lower price. 

 

Right, I have one book for June at the very good price but I noticed it has gone up a few hundred bucks. 

[laumicmah]

We have cruised many times with our kids. Kids are now college age. But when they were little we did different cabin set ups. DH and I were in with 2 DDs once when DS brought a friend so they got an inside cabin across the hall. We had connecting cabins with the 3 kids in one and us in another. We did 2 cabins where DH went with DS and I went with 2 DDs. Our 1st cruise was on Disney and DH and I had 2 DDs and we brought in laws who took DS in their cabin. That worked well but Disney has bigger and better cabin set ups for families. With the 2 part bathroom and curtain between parents bed and kids bunk. But, personally, I feel 4 in the cabin on Carnival, even a balcony, is too many. Even 2 being kids. Showering and getting ready for dinner was a process and just ate the fun out of the trip. I think it should be 3 to a cabin max. 2 parents and 1 kid or 1 parent with 2 kids....parents CAN split up. But with the cutting down on capacity they should maybe limit to 3 per cabin.