Carnival Corporation to Sell 13 Cruise Ships

[Copper10-8]

2 minutes ago, rafinmd said:

Seabourn Encore and Quest, and Sky and Regal Princess are all at an anchorage east of Limassol.  Do you suppose they'll be joining their 4 cousins?

 

Roy

 

I would put money on that one 😉 Same thing is happening in the Noordzee off Katwijk in the Netherlands with Nieuw Statendam, Zaandam, Seabourn Ovation and Emerald Princess

[TiogaCruiser]

So what is the attraction of Cypress?

[Copper10-8]

14 minutes ago, TiogaCruiser said:

So what is the attraction of Cypress?

 

Halloumi cheese 😉 

[Copper10-8]

The full news release by Carnival Corp from 10 Jul 20:

 

https://www.carnivalcorp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/carnival-corporation-plc-provides-business-update-and-0?fbclid=IwAR0jGRjTjXCoWJbrB_M80bpBij9m8yVAgDI3EGuEj85VyP4ffbr3rocgR_Y

[cruisemom42]

47 minutes ago, TiogaCruiser said:

So what is the attraction of Cypress?

 

Beautiful beaches?  Gorgeous Roman mosaics?  Pretty Greek villages in mountain terrain? 

 

Oh, you mean for the ships...  

[Despegue]

10 hours ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

Just curious if you know; what are they, about 90% German occupancy rate?

On the older vessels, I think that about 99% of passengers are either German, Austrian or Swiss ( with the vast majority being German).
 

on the larger vessels, starting with Sfinx Class ( Lead ship AidaDiva), there seem to be  ( a bit) more International passengers, but still a very much German experience . 
 

Aida is now also being promoted in The Netherlands and Belgium ( Flanders), but a large percentage of our citizens do understand German.

 

in any case, the friendly crew all speak English, and all Safety and Operational Adresses are being broadcast in both German and English. ( Safety brief is way too long , causing loss of attention and irritation and includes unnecessary items, but I digress).

[Despegue]

5 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Also, with the limitations on ports of call, this limits the opening of European cruises to EU flagged ships exclusively, so lines like AIDA, HAL, and Costa could keep older ships viable longer than flag of convenience ships.

The EU handily trying to limit the flag-of-convenience Practice...

[rkacruiser]

I still wonder about the financial condition of some of the European cruise companies.  If they are financially sound and have the interest in doing so, by acquiring some of the smaller, older vessels that many North Americans have enjoyed, might they consider trying to break into the North American market as MSC is trying to do?  Certainly some on-board changes would have to occur, i.e. languages spoken in some cases, but I suspect that there are some--maybe many--that would be interested in sailing once again on a former Royal Viking Line vessel, or the former Statendam, or the original Royal Princess.  

[rkacruiser]

4 hours ago, Copper10-8 said:

The full news release by Carnival Corp from 10 Jul 20:

 

https://www.carnivalcorp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/carnival-corporation-plc-provides-business-update-and-0?fbclid=IwAR0jGRjTjXCoWJbrB_M80bpBij9m8yVAgDI3EGuEj85VyP4ffbr3rocgR_Y

 

I liked what I read and I thank you for posting this.  I'm encouraged by this news.  

[Copper10-8]

14 minutes ago, rkacruiser said:

...........................but I suspect that there are some--maybe many--that would be interested in sailing once again on a former Royal Viking Line vessel, or the former Statendam, or the original Royal Princess.  

 

FYI, HAL's former Statendam, the lead ship of the "S"-class built in 1993, has already been picked up by such a European company, TransOcean Kreuzfahrten, the German brand of UK's Cruise & Maritime Voyages. Her new/current name is Vasco da Gama. C&MV / TransOcean will get the former Ryndam next year under her new name, Ida Pfeiffer 

 

Only time will tell if Maasdam and Veendam will join their former sisters in the future to complete the quartet 

[Himself]

4 hours ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

FYI, HAL's former Statendam, the lead ship of the "S"-class built in 1993, has already been picked up by such a European company, TransOcean Kreuzfahrten, the German brand of UK's Cruise & Maritime Voyages. Her new/current name is Vasco da Gama. C&MV / TransOcean will get the former Ryndam next year under her new name, Ida Pfeiffer 

 

Only time will tell if Maasdam and Veendam will join their former sisters in the future to complete the quartet 

John:   I bet they go.

[drsel]

Previously sold

Costa neoClassica sold to Bahamas Paradise

Costa neoRiviera sold to AIDA (group Co.)

Costa Atlantica - sold to Carnival-China JV

Costa Mediterranea - sold to Carnival-China JV

P&O Aus Pacific Aria - sold to CMV, early departure

P&O Aus Pacific Dawn-sold to CMV, early departure

 

Confirmed

Costa Victoria - sold for scrap

P&O Oceana - sold to Greek buyers

 

Very Likely

Carnival Fascination - sold for scrap

Carnival Inspiration - sold for scrap

Carnival Elation - sold for scrap

Carnival Imagination - sold for scrap

Carnival Ecstasy - sold for scrap

Carnival Fantasy- sold for scrap

HAL Maasdam

HAL Veendam

Costa neoRomantica - sold to Carnival-China JV

 

 

 

[drsel]

With so much reduced capacity do you think the prices of future Cruises will start going up?

[DaveOKC]

5 minutes ago, drsel said:

With so much reduced capacity do you think the prices of future Cruises will start going up?

Not at first - too many people afraid of cruising.  Once the population gets over this fear, I bet we will see higher prices, or at least fewer good sales.

 

[npcl]

1 hour ago, drsel said:

Previously sold

Costa neoClassica sold to Bahamas Paradise

Costa neoRiviera sold to AIDA (group Co.)

Costa Atlantica - sold to Carnival-China JV

Costa Mediterranea - sold to Carnival-China JV

P&O Aus Pacific Aria - sold to CMV, early departure

P&O Aus Pacific Dawn-sold to CMV, early departure

 

Confirmed

Costa Victoria - sold for scrap

P&O Oceana - sold to Greek buyers

 

Very Likely

Carnival Fascination - sold for scrap

Carnival Inspiration - sold for scrap

Carnival Elation - sold for scrap

Carnival Imagination - sold for scrap

Carnival Ecstasy - sold for scrap

Carnival Fantasy- sold for scrap

HAL Maasdam

HAL Veendam

Costa neoRomantica - sold to Carnival-China JV

 

 

 

It will be interesting to see if the previously arranged sales such as those to CMV actually finalize.

[RD64]

Given the various Internet rumours that CMV is in a last ditch effort to find financing, the sale of the above listed ships to CMV may not be very likely.

[summer slope]

We have a Veendam cruise booked for January 2021.  If she is sold what will HAL do about those of use booked?

[Mandalay1903]

33 minutes ago, summer slope said:

We have a Veendam cruise booked for January 2021.  If she is sold what will HAL do about those of use booked?

Ditto ugh.  We have two Veendams and one Maasdam booked in the next 12 months.  My expectation is that if these sales materialize they'll just cancel the cruises as part of the next Covid-related tranche of cancellations.

 

Between us we'd have two pair!

[DeeDee Groff]

Amsterdam, Maasdam, Rotterdam, and Veendam will be taken out of service per an email I received 1.75 hours ago from HAL notifying me I will be sailing on the Zaandam on the Grand Africa Voyage from Fort Lauderdale on October 5, 2021.

[Copper10-8]

On 7/14/2020 at 1:46 PM, summer slope said:

We have a Veendam cruise booked for January 2021.  If she is sold what will HAL do about those of use booked?

 

On 7/14/2020 at 2:23 PM, Mandalay1903 said:

Ditto ugh.  We have two Veendams and one Maasdam booked in the next 12 months.  My expectation is that if these sales materialize they'll just cancel the cruises as part of the next Covid-related tranche of cancellations.

 

Between us we'd have two pair!

 

From today's HAL press release announcing the departure of the four ships (Maasdam, Veendam, Rotterdam & Amsterdam)

 

Guests with bookings on future sailings of these ships will be notified that these cruises will be cancelled or changed. Along with their travel advisors, guests will receive information if the cruise will operate with a different ship or information and special offers on how to book another Holland America Line cruise when operations resume. Guests who prefer a refund will be accommodated.

[Crew News]

My Maasdam Alaska cruise was cancelled per an email I received from HAL today but I received nothing on cancelling my Nov Veendam cruise.  Must be different sale/delivery dates for the two ships.

[drsel]

Updated list
Previously sold
Costa neoClassica sold to Bahamas Paradise
Costa neoRiviera sold to AIDA (group Co.)
Costa Atlantica - sold to Carnival-China JV
Costa Mediterranea - sold to Carnival-China JV
P&O Aus Pacific Aria - sold to CMV, early departure
P&O Aus Pacific Dawn-sold to CMV, early departure

Confirmed
Costa Victoria - sold for scrap
P&O Oceana - sold to Greek buyers
HAL Maasdam
HAL Veendam
HAL Rotterdam sold to Fred Olsen
HAL Amsterdam sold to Fred Olsen

Very Likely
Carnival Fascination - sold for scrap
Carnival Inspiration - sold for scrap
Carnival Elation - sold for scrap
Carnival Imagination - sold for scrap
Carnival Ecstasy - sold for scrap
Carnival Fantasy- sold for scrap
Costa neoRomantica - sold to Carnival-China JV

[Essiesmom]

Costa neoRomantica - sold to Carnival-China JV
 

 

She has been sold to Celestyal Cruises.  EM

 

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23249-celestyal-purchases-costa-neoromantica.html

[Copper10-8]

8 hours ago, drsel said:

Updated list
Previously sold
Costa neoClassica sold to Bahamas Paradise
Costa neoRiviera sold to AIDA (group Co.)
Costa Atlantica - sold to Carnival-China JV

Costa Mediterranea - sold to Carnival-China JV
P&O Aus Pacific Aria - sold to CMV, early departure
P&O Aus Pacific Dawn-sold to CMV, early departure

Confirmed
Costa Victoria - sold for scrap
P&O Oceana - sold to Greek buyers for Chinese interests
HAL Maasdam
HAL Veendam
HAL Rotterdam sold to Fred Olsen
HAL Amsterdam sold to Fred Olsen

Costa neoRomantica - sold to Celestyal Cruises

Golden Princess - internal transfer to P&O Australia

Star Princess - internal transfer to P&O Australia

Very Likely
Carnival Fascination - sold for scrap
Carnival Inspiration - sold for scrap
Carnival Elation - sold for scrap
Carnival Imagination - sold for scrap
Carnival Ecstasy - sold for scrap
Carnival Fantasy- sold for scrap

 

One correction (neoRomantica) and two additions

[drsel]

Thanks for the additions.
I think we can keep on adding to this list as and when more news comes out.