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The logistics boggle the mind. I live in a "red" county with a big city and lots of quick testing facilities.  People from the surrounding counties come to our county for testing and then are counted in OUR COUNTY statistics if positive- not their home county where they likely picked it up in the first place. They can't get the quick tests in their own county and the reporting is a long period of time.  I can understand why they do this.

 

Also, according to my SIL who is a doctor, if you are tested at different times and it comes up positive, each test is viewed as a different person, not a repeat test.  The reporting is so inaccurate. 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, bigrednole said:

There are still places with limited testing kits. If you don't have all 10 symptoms, they will not give you the test and declare you negative. People need to get off this high horse that testing is 100% accurate. It is not. But, the media and government don't want that all over the place.

 

So, if they are going to require a negative test, they will have to declare which tests and doctor's notes that they will accept.

Who is saying you have to have all 10 symptoms? Never heard that one either.

 

Nobody is claiming (or hiding from the public) that tests are not 100% accurate. No test for any medical issue is 100% accurate. Many tests, including for Covid are a "multi test" bank...in other words they look for the Covid in a couple of ways to increase accuracy. The thing to note is that the faster the test results, the more inaccurate. The 5-20 minute testing results are the ones with the lowest accuracy rates. And this has been reported widely in the media.

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8 hours ago, clo said:

It's so odd. Here in Reno we got an appointment for the following day and test results in 48 hours. 

And I know people in Las Vegas who have serious symptoms. They have been in line on two days and still not tested. After hours in line, site closes because of lack of test materials. Seems all sites are different. News shows lines of cars miles long at some places. In our city we closed some sites and still about an hour wait max.

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4 hours ago, bigrednole said:

And there is no way of knowing the negatives are false as well.

Exactly. I think there are more than a few people who think they're good to go. Someone on CC tested negative and now their grandkids are coming to visit for a week.

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2 hours ago, 2wheelin said:

And I know people in Las Vegas who have serious symptoms. They have been in line on two days and still not tested. After hours in line, site closes because of lack of test materials. Seems all sites are different. News shows lines of cars miles long at some places. In our city we closed some sites and still about an hour wait max.

I wonder what is the difference. We live in Reno, made an online appt. for the following day, were in line in our car for max an hour, and got our results 48 hours later.

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2 hours ago, clo said:

Exactly. I think there are more than a few people who think they're good to go. Someone on CC tested negative and now their grandkids are coming to visit for a week.

 

2 hours ago, clo said:

I wonder what is the difference. We live in Reno, made an online appt. for the following day, were in line in our car for max an hour, and got our results 48 hours later.

I have a neighbor who wanted to go to one of the pools in our condo complex.He had his temperature taken at the entrance and was told his temperature is too high .This week he had his grandkids visiting.

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Each state is responsible for setting up testing places.  Some states do better than others.  I think my state is doing a good job.  If I come down with a fever, I will get tested.  I told my husband that it's unrealistic for us to go in for a test every week unless we have symptoms.  We could test negative today, but it won't make life any safer for us next week.  I still don't know anyone personally who has the virus.  Everyone I know has been extremely careful.

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32 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

Each state is responsible for setting up testing places.  Some states do better than others.  I think my state is doing a good job.  If I come down with a fever, I will get tested.  I told my husband that it's unrealistic for us to go in for a test every week unless we have symptoms.  We could test negative today, but it won't make life any safer for us next week.  I still don't know anyone personally who has the virus.  Everyone I know has been extremely careful.

The only reason we got tested is because a friend of Bob's golfing buddy got. A slim chance but did it any way. Reno turned the testing around quickly but I understand that Vegas is quite behind.

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8 hours ago, Markanddonna said:

 

Also, according to my SIL who is a doctor, if you are tested at different times and it comes up positive, each test is viewed as a different person, not a repeat test.  The reporting is so inaccurate. 

 

 

 

I read this concern too.  Because essential workers are tested repeatedly, the count of tests is always more than the count of people tested.   

 

Along with just about everything to do with combating this virus, until something better is designed, we have to use what we have.   

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9 hours ago, navybankerteacher said:

Just curious - if your test came back negative, how long will you wait before you get tested again.   It seems to me that efforts to test everyone - perhaps continually - is what is overwhelming testing capacity.   My own physician advises that of course I should get tested if I have symptoms or have been in contact with someone likely to carry COVID.    Otherwise, what is the point of getting the test ? - it only gives you a current snapshot - and if it is appropriate to get it today, why wouldn’t you want to get it every day?

 

I know you are not asking me, but I think the approach to who should be tested is varying widely by state/county.  I suspect that a lot of that has to do with capacity.    I think we have already discussed some state's public health asking everyone to volunteer to testing.  

 

As far as a repeat test, I would go again if I thought I was exposed (after waiting for the incubation period of course).   Some essential workers get the test monthly.  I would expect some even more frequently.   If your point is that it is imperfect, then I agree, but we do what we can until something better comes along.   

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2 minutes ago, ldubs said:

 

I know you are not asking me, but I think the approach to who should be tested is varying widely by state/county.  I suspect that a lot of that has to do with capacity.    I think we have already discussed some state's public health asking everyone to volunteer to testing.  

 

As far as a repeat test, I would go again if I thought I was exposed (after waiting for the incubation period of course).   Some essential workers get the test monthly.  I would expect some even more frequently.   If your point is that it is imperfect, then I agree, but we do what we can until something better comes along.   

I agree -- I just happen to think that seeking testing "just because" --- by someone who has no symptoms, and has no reason to think he/she has been exposed, and is not an essential worker --- just clogs the testing capacity and contributes to the absurd delays  in getting results,  which come close to negating the value of testing.

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Just now, navybankerteacher said:

I agree -- I just happen to think that seeking testing "just because" --- by someone who has no symptoms, and has no reason to think he/she has been exposed, and is not an essential worker --- just clogs the testing capacity and contributes to the absurd delays  in getting results,  which come close to negating the value of testing.

 

I understand.  I think bottom line we should be guided by what our public health officials are advising us to do.  And that does vary widely from place to place depending on the situation. 

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10 hours ago, CruiserBruce said:

Can you quote a good source on this? As Covid tests are either blood or nasal swabs based, how can a test go positive on air? No test for covid tests air. I have found no evidence of the "air tests positive" study...it sounds like fake news.

Yes please. Where did you see that "air" is causing positive results? Not you CruiserBruce.... My comment is directed to the individual making the claim... 

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24 minutes ago, ober134 said:

Yes please. Where did you see that "air" is causing positive results?

I also read that happened with swabs just waved in the air about two weeks ago. All of them tested positive. I believe it was a military base which may be why it cannot be found now, although I am not interested enough to look.

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This is probably not the forum, and certainly not my intention to stir the pot on this issue.... But I feel a personal need to address the implied claim that labs are falsifying covid test results. You see, I'm one of those technologists. We are a highly educated, regulated and dedicated profession. The majority of my co-workers have Bachelors or Masters degrees. We do not falsify test results. There is not much in life that is 100%.... But a positive PCR test by a certified lab is damn close. Sadly, I am not as confident on negative results...particularly on a patient who is symptomatic. Also, supplies and delays are a growing issue everywhere. It is likely to get worse before it gets better. I'm off the soapbox now.

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1 hour ago, ober134 said:

implied claim that labs are falsifying covid test results.

I've not seen that.  A "false positive" doesn't mean it's been falsified. Nor negative.

PS: I worked in a CDC lab and also in a clinical lab many lifetimes ago so thanks.

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9 hours ago, clo said:

I wonder what is the difference. We live in Reno, made an online appt. for the following day, were in line in our car for max an hour, and got our results 48 hours later.

Perhaps there was a major run on pre-re-employment tests for all those who work in the hotels and casinos in LV.  If a negative test was needed, that would have put a major crimp in how fast the tests were used up.  Where I live, you can get into the "priority line" for testing if 1) you have 2 or more symptoms, 2)you are living in a designated "hot spot" where everyone has been asked to go for testing, 3) your health care provider writes a "prescription" for it or 4) required for your employment.  You call the center, give your info, and go get in the priority line.  If you just want a test for "peace of mind", you get in the "when we can get you in" line.   When I had mine done (hotspot situation), I think I was in line on a Saturday afternoon for about an hour.  It was a nice day, so the windows were open in the car and I had some nice music going.  

 

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On 7/14/2020 at 7:54 PM, Silver Sweethearts said:

 

Those will both be required whenever Hawaii accepts visitors again.

 

My understanding is that the state accepts domestic travelers now although a 14 day quarantine is required upon arrival for both residents and non residents.  I am sure the quarantine requirement has cut the visitor flow to about zero, but travel appears to be possible for US citizens. 

 

My understanding is that something similar has been in place for Alaska although the state may be accepting negative test results to avoid quarantine.   I believe the current plan in Hawaii to accept negative test results has been pushed back to September 1st.

 

On a local note, we in San Diego are used to seeing massive numbers of Arizona license plates on our roads in the summer.  This year not nearly as many are out there.  

 

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9 minutes ago, SelectSys said:

 

My understanding is that the state accepts domestic travelers now although a 14 day quarantine is required upon arrival for both residents and non residents.  I am sure the quarantine requirement has cut the visitor flow to about zero, but travel appears to be possible for US citizens. 

 

My understanding is that something similar has been in place for Alaska although the state may be accepting negative test results to avoid quarantine.   I believe the current plan in Hawaii to accept negative test results has been pushed back to September 1st.

 

You are correct, and we did mention this on the Cruise Critic Hawaii message board.  As to travel being possible, there is really no reason to visit here right now as so many tourist places and events are closed.

 

 

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22 hours ago, sanger727 said:


yes, because there’s no way to know if the positive was false or not. What if it was an accurate positive? Don’t take the test if you can’t live with the results

And don't forget the so far 33 testing centers that have lied about the results in FL. 98% positive rates only to come back saying "oops we made a mistake and it is only 9.8%". There is no telling how long this has gone on and how many sites have been doing it. One of the reasons they got caught was a radio station morning show sent tests in rubbing the swabs on raw pork, other meats, and other random things. So my vacation would be ruined because there is an agenda to make numbers as bad as possible. Now, we not only have a pandemic, we have to have a Federal investigation into all testing facilities to find out how bad they made the numbers by providing false information.

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3 hours ago, bigrednole said:

 So my vacation would be ruined because there is an agenda to make numbers as bad as possible.

 

There's a simple solution here. Don't plan a vacation that requires a COVID test until the restrictions are lifted. The simple fact is that if you want to go to a country or place that requires a negative covid test, and you get a positive result when you are tested, your vacation is ruined whether or not you believe in the results. 

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4 hours ago, bigrednole said:

And don't forget the so far 33 testing centers that have lied about the results in FL. 98% positive rates only to come back saying "oops we made a mistake and it is only 9.8%". There is no telling how long this has gone on and how many sites have been doing it. One of the reasons they got caught was a radio station morning show sent tests in rubbing the swabs on raw pork, other meats, and other random things. So my vacation would be ruined because there is an agenda to make numbers as bad as possible. Now, we not only have a pandemic, we have to have a Federal investigation into all testing facilities to find out how bad they made the numbers by providing false information.

Lets not jump on every allegation as being fact. A little critical thought here would indicate there was a problem in the gathering, inputting or software calculating the data. Do you really believe everyone just totally bought the story that 100% of the tests were positive at 33 labs? That absolutely screams human or software error.

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It was "only" a glitch when they got caught and nailed. None of the data the labs provide can be accurate because they cannot tell how long they have been sending out positive results for tests that are not even real, let alone a near 100% positive test record. You can believe them if you like that it was just that day. Do you even believe they would have even said anything if the radio show didn't call them out on it with for the tests? No!!! Why? Because there is a financial interest in the number of test they get and probably incentives for more positives than negatives.  Please don't be naive that this was a one time issue. This has been an issue going on for months. 

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Here in Barbados

the general protocol among us island residents

is that we all walk with a mask in case we need to go in to the Bank,

to the supermarket or the drug/stores.


Once it's an enclosed, air-conditioned place,

you'll need to be wearing your mask -or they simply won't let you in!
And they'll spray your hands too, with their happy juice

(It's often bitter, so don't bite your nails!)

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