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“We are confident of our protocols. We are confident we can operate safely in this COVID-19 world,” Del Rio added.

 

Okay, Frankie..let me get right on to the NCL website and book a cruise.   Hold your breath until I do that, or at least wear two masks at the same time.  lol

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I'm sure a covid free cruise could be done with enough restrictions, protocols, rules, masks, distancing, drink handling, food handling, pre and post testing, and on and on.  But that is just not a relaxed and comfortable cruise or the type I'm interested in  returning to.  Until it's cured, vaccine, or whatever, I don't see how it can be any other way.   Hope it works for others.  

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TUI, MSC and now Costa has showed what is like to cruise with covid and be successfully.. I got a feeling the CDC will keep extending the no sail order since the CDC has showed it dont like the cruise lines 

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1 hour ago, BirdTravels said:

We’re all in. 

 

Yes but in what is the question?  Pretty sure there is an emoji for it. 

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I actually agree with him: cruise lines are being unfairly discriminated against. If I can fly to Florida, stay in a hotel, go to a beach, go to an amusement park, which I can, I can see no reason why I can't go on a cruise. 

 

The Diamond Princess was indeed a floating petri dish, but that was a different situation. It was the worst case scenario. Many, many people walking around infected before they knew it and with no important mitigation efforts (no distancing, no masks. (There was always the encouragement to wash hands, sure, but fomite transmission is not the main driver of this illness.)  Things will be very different on any cruise ship sailing out of the US simply because cruise lines have everything riding on preventing a significant outbreak from occurring. 

 

Air travel is operating. Here is Canada there are always a bunch of flights that have covid cases. Flying is not shut down as a result.  Restaurants, grocery stores, mall shops etc. will, from time to time, have cases pop up. They are not shut down. Contagion now is mostly happening in younger people who are flouting the rules -- that's not your typical cruise ship passenger. 

 

Buses, trains, flights, subways, hotels, amusement parks, shops, cinemas, casinos, resorts, restaurants, all open and operating with rules in place. How is this significantly different than the cruise ship experience? These are big vessels, no one is forced to sit next to someone mere inches away for hours like they are on airplanes.  You are always only seconds away from getting outside and breathing fresh air.

 

Cruiselines have an awful lot riding on getting this so they are extremely motivated to get it right.  I believe them when they say they are employing state of the art measures -- they have to -- a couple of serious outbreaks on cruises sailing out of the US would probably end the industry. They are going to take this seriously.

 

For the people who don't want to cruise til there is a widely available vaccine, fine, don't. And for people who don't want to cruise with covid mitigation measures in place, fine, don't. No one is required to take a cruise.  But for those of us who are already managing in the world through our own mitigation efforts -- distancing, effective masks, impeccable hand hygiene which includes not touching your eyes, nose or mouth with unwashed hands, it would be nice to have the option to go.  In fact, it's time to give us that option, imo.

 

Covid will be with us for a while, not months but years. And we have to find a way to live with this virus.  I'm a big fan of freedom, personal choice and personal responsibility and I feel like it's enough already. The ban on cruising is unnecessarily harsh.

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4 minutes ago, macandlucy said:

I actually agree with him: cruise lines are being unfairly discriminated against. If I can fly to Florida, stay in a hotel, go to a beach, go to an amusement park, which I can, I can see no reason why I can't go on a cruise. 

 

The Diamond Princess was indeed a floating petri dish, but that was a different situation. It was the worst case scenario. Many, many people walking around infected before they knew it and with no important mitigation efforts (no distancing, no masks. (There was always the encouragement to wash hands, sure, but fomite transmission is not the main driver of this illness.)  Things will be very different on any cruise ship sailing out of the US simply because cruise lines have everything riding on preventing a significant outbreak from occurring. 

 

Air travel is operating. Here is Canada there are always a bunch of flights that have covid cases. Flying is not shut down as a result.  Restaurants, grocery stores, mall shops etc. will, from time to time, have cases pop up. They are not shut down. Contagion now is mostly happening in younger people who are flouting the rules -- that's not your typical cruise ship passenger. 

 

Buses, trains, flights, subways, hotels, amusement parks, shops, cinemas, casinos, resorts, restaurants, all open and operating with rules in place. How is this significantly different than the cruise ship experience? These are big vessels, no one is forced to sit next to someone mere inches away for hours like they are on airplanes.  You are always only seconds away from getting outside and breathing fresh air.

 

Cruiselines have an awful lot riding on getting this so they are extremely motivated to get it right.  I believe them when they say they are employing state of the art measures -- they have to -- a couple of serious outbreaks on cruises sailing out of the US would probably end the industry. They are going to take this seriously.

 

For the people who don't want to cruise til there is a widely available vaccine, fine, don't. And for people who don't want to cruise with covid mitigation measures in place, fine, don't. No one is required to take a cruise.  But for those of us who are already managing in the world through our own mitigation efforts -- distancing, effective masks, impeccable hand hygiene which includes not touching your eyes, nose or mouth with unwashed hands, it would be nice to have the option to go.  In fact, it's time to give us that option, imo.

 

Covid will be with us for a while, not months but years. And we have to find a way to live with this virus.  I'm a big fan of freedom, personal choice and personal responsibility and I feel like it's enough already. The ban on cruising is unnecessarily harsh.

 

Nice.  There's nothing I can add to this great post.

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11 minutes ago, macandlucy said:

I actually agree with him: cruise lines are being unfairly discriminated against. If I can fly to Florida, stay in a hotel, go to a beach, go to an amusement park, which I can, I can see no reason why I can't go on a cruise. 

 

The Diamond Princess was indeed a floating petri dish, but that was a different situation. It was the worst case scenario. Many, many people walking around infected before they knew it and with no important mitigation efforts (no distancing, no masks. (There was always the encouragement to wash hands, sure, but fomite transmission is not the main driver of this illness.)  Things will be very different on any cruise ship sailing out of the US simply because cruise lines have everything riding on preventing a significant outbreak from occurring. 

 

Air travel is operating. Here is Canada there are always a bunch of flights that have covid cases. Flying is not shut down as a result.  Restaurants, grocery stores, mall shops etc. will, from time to time, have cases pop up. They are not shut down. Contagion now is mostly happening in younger people who are flouting the rules -- that's not your typical cruise ship passenger. 

 

Buses, trains, flights, subways, hotels, amusement parks, shops, cinemas, casinos, resorts, restaurants, all open and operating with rules in place. How is this significantly different than the cruise ship experience? These are big vessels, no one is forced to sit next to someone mere inches away for hours like they are on airplanes.  You are always only seconds away from getting outside and breathing fresh air.

 

Cruiselines have an awful lot riding on getting this so they are extremely motivated to get it right.  I believe them when they say they are employing state of the art measures -- they have to -- a couple of serious outbreaks on cruises sailing out of the US would probably end the industry. They are going to take this seriously.

 

For the people who don't want to cruise til there is a widely available vaccine, fine, don't. And for people who don't want to cruise with covid mitigation measures in place, fine, don't. No one is required to take a cruise.  But for those of us who are already managing in the world through our own mitigation efforts -- distancing, effective masks, impeccable hand hygiene which includes not touching your eyes, nose or mouth with unwashed hands, it would be nice to have the option to go.  In fact, it's time to give us that option, imo.

 

Covid will be with us for a while, not months but years. And we have to find a way to live with this virus.  I'm a big fan of freedom, personal choice and personal responsibility and I feel like it's enough already. The ban on cruising is unnecessarily harsh.

 

Agreed!!

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28 minutes ago, macandlucy said:

I actually agree with him: cruise lines are being unfairly discriminated against. If I can fly to Florida, stay in a hotel, go to a beach, go to an amusement park, which I can, I can see no reason why I can't go on a cruise. 

 

Covid will be with us for a while, not months but years. And we have to find a way to live with this virus.  I'm a big fan of freedom, personal choice and personal responsibility and I feel like it's enough already. The ban on cruising is unnecessarily harsh.

Thanks for a post that is on thread and has the ring of truth.  I am getting ready to do another Casino junket that includes airfare, bus transfers and hotel stay... and of course gambling.  Mask required in the Airport, on the plane and bus. Flight and bus are limited to the amount of passengers and once at the hotel masks are required while walking around.  Casino is similar, you walk in with a mask but once seated to play no mask required (except for table play).  Smoking, drinking and eating is highly encouraged (well no one forces you to but no is stopping it either).  

 

If all this can happen on "land" then what is the deal about doing a contained cruise? 

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2 minutes ago, bobsfamily said:

Thanks for a post that is on thread and has the ring of truth.  I am getting ready to do another Casino junket that includes airfare, bus transfers and hotel stay... and of course gambling.  Mask required in the Airport, on the plane and bus. Flight and bus are limited to the amount of passengers and once at the hotel masks are required while walking around.  Casino is similar, you walk in with a mask but once seated to play no mask required (except for table play).  Smoking, drinking and eating is highly encouraged (well no one forces you to but no is stopping it either).  

 

If all this can happen on "land" then what is the deal about doing a contained cruise? 

I just watched a youtube video of a man that went from Tampa Fl to London UK THIS WEEK.  4 flights.  No temp checks, no test or negative test results required.  Two of the flights were jam packed (overbooked).....but we can't cruise.....this is getting stupid.  If anyone wants I can share the link, I just don't want to spam the thread.

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28 minutes ago, oteixeira said:

I just watched a youtube video of a man that went from Tampa Fl to London UK THIS WEEK.  4 flights.  No temp checks, no test or negative test results required.  Two of the flights were jam packed (overbooked).....but we can't cruise.....this is getting stupid.  If anyone wants I can share the link, I just don't want to spam the thread.

Yes... The charter flights I am talking about is 80-90% over 60 and from Monday-Thursday so you can guess the ages.  If we can do that going all over the place, seeing people from all over the place in confined area (the casino) what exactly is the difference... some go from home to plane to bus to hotel/casino and stay there til they go back home. Sounds like a cruise to me!

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3 hours ago, Wannacruise81 said:

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Sad that this is your view of the world... When the Titanic went under the 1918 pandemic was just a few short years away, do you think the sinking caused it? Wow that would be strange...

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Cute! Can you now do one for cars, buses, trains, planes, hotels, apartment buildings, malls, resorts, amusement parks, beaches, restaurants, malls, grocery stores, conventions, etc. Basically anywhere humans gather.

 

It's not cruise ships, but humans that are the vector for this virus.  Wherever people get together is the problem.

 

Safest thing to do is for everyone to go inside a self-contained isolation bubble, with no human interaction of any kind. The virus, being a virus, relies on a host (that's us humans in this case) to replicate itself. If you stop giving it that opportunity, it will die out.

 

Since there is no practical (or humane) way to do that, the next best thing is our arsenal of mitigation strategies: distancing, masking, hygiene. We do that to interrupt the chain of transmission as much as possible. 

 

There is nothing magically different about cruise ships. Ships do not transmit the virus. People transmit the virus. Infected people in close proximity to non-infected people. That can happen anyplace. Why single out cruise ships?

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, macandlucy said:

Cute! Can you now do one for cars, buses, trains, planes, hotels, apartment buildings, malls, resorts, amusement parks, beaches, restaurants, malls, grocery stores, conventions, etc. Basically anywhere humans gather.

 

It's not cruise ships, but humans that are the vector for this virus.  Wherever people get together is the problem.

 

Safest thing to do is for everyone to go inside a self-contained isolation bubble, with no human interaction of any kind. The virus, being a virus, relies on a host (that's us humans in this case) to replicate itself. If you stop giving it that opportunity, it will die out.

 

Since there is no practical (or humane) way to do that, the next best thing is our arsenal of mitigation strategies: distancing, masking, hygiene. We do that to interrupt the chain of transmission as much as possible. 

 

There is nothing magically different about cruise ships. Ships do not transmit the virus. People transmit the virus. Infected people in close proximity to non-infected people. That can happen anyplace. Why single out cruise ships?

 

 

 

 

Yep.

 

It is what it is in 2020.

 

50%-50% on 100% of 'every issue. 

 

However, that 50% want to not only decide what they rightfully choose to do but that also want to choose what the other 50% wants to choose to do.

 

A favorite of mine is the cruising is a 'want versus a need dictum and the application by one 50% not only to themselves but to all others in the other 50%.

 

First, that depends; if you are a port "worker, driver, hotel, restaurant and staffs" or a ship crew member, or a itinerary port (the same), a reasonably prudent person would consider there could be a 'need there.

 

Second, as to the 'core, absolutism is extreme when deconstructed. 

 

"Need" as a sole societal requirement disqualifies life choices.

 

There would be no Western Civilization if such was so based.

 

There are numerous geographic areas on the globe known as Earth where one can alternately choose to ascribe to living under such basis of centrally-determined need one everyone's behalf.

 

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Here is how I see it.  

 

In much simpler terms the want people are the people waiting to cruise and the need people are the ones who need the cruisers to support themselves and their families.  At this point there are enough want people to support the need people.  Unfortunately every day the number of need people continues to grow.  I say let the want people do what they can to help.  

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This article also shows the frustration of the Cruise lines.

 

Cruise News

Cruise Line Execs, Miami Port Reps tell CDC “Enough is Enough!”

Published  27 seconds ago on  September 11, 2020

By  Richard Simms

 

https://cruiseradio.net/cruise-line-miami-return-to-sailing-cdc/

 

I do agree with the double standard on 4"'s on airlines.

 

"“It Is Unconscionable”
Growing more impassioned, Del Rio questioned how people could fly on airplanes “sitting four inches apart” yet not be allowed to sail on ships. “It is unconscionable what has happened to the cruise industry,” he declared.

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32 minutes ago, Formula280SS said:

This article also shows the frustration of the Cruise lines.

 

Cruise News

Cruise Line Execs, Miami Port Reps tell CDC “Enough is Enough!”

Published  27 seconds ago on  September 11, 2020

By  Richard Simms

 

https://cruiseradio.net/cruise-line-miami-return-to-sailing-cdc/

 

I do agree with the double standard on 4"'s on airlines.

 

"“It Is Unconscionable”
Growing more impassioned, Del Rio questioned how people could fly on airplanes “sitting four inches apart” yet not be allowed to sail on ships. “It is unconscionable what has happened to the cruise industry,” he declared.

Of course FDR conveniently ignores the fact that NCL has not yet submitted its plans to the CDC and won't for about another 10 days. Does he really expect the CDC to just say "Only kidding, you don't really have to submit your protocols to us . Just go ahead and restart cruising." 

Last I checked no one has to take a cruise. It's an optional leisure activity.. Many people do have to fly for business and other reasons. Personally I wouldn't fly on an airline that permits the center seat to be used, but for me flying is every bit as optional as cruising so I have a choice. I've also never spent 51 consecutive days on an airplane, but I have on a cruise ship. The exposure on a flight of a few hours with a hundred or two hundred passengers is small compared to days on a ship with thousands of passengers and crew. It's far more likely to have infected people among the thousands than the one or two hundred.

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5 hours ago, bobsfamily said:

Sad that this is your view of the world... When the Titanic went under the 1918 pandemic was just a few short years away, do you think the sinking caused it? Wow that would be strange...

And your answer explains it all...went right over your head.

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Safe enough to fly, safe enough to cruise. MSC has it pretty much figure out.

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Like anything you do in life, there is an assumption of risk.  This is no different with cruising even in the best of circumstances.  At this point, the people who want to cruise should be allowed to.  If those folks will adhere to the policies on board (masks, distancing, etc.) they should be permitted to.

 

Personally, I was in Disney last weekend and did not see one person not obeying the safety rules in place.  I assume the same would be true if cruising resumed.

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