Rare Hlitner Posted November 20, 2020 #101 Share Posted November 20, 2020 On 11/18/2020 at 9:38 AM, navybankerteacher said: A reasonable hope. Even if vaccination is 95% effective, on a 3,000 passenger ship 150 of those vaccinated could be presumed not protected. So, letting one person board who was not vaccinated would put the 150 who at least tried to be responsible at risk. It is not just putting folks at greater risk of getting COVID, but you must also consider that if a single person gets COVID it would likely mean cancelling the cruise not to mention being shut out of any port. Anti Vaxers certainly have their rights (at least in the USA) but they will have to live with the restrictions that result from their anti vax decision. I can imagine that there will be other industries that will also adopt a mandatory vaccination (or antibody test) policy such as major resorts, healthcare facilities, and possibly the airlines. Schools will likely adopt mandatory vaccination rules once the CDC approves a vaccine for children. In the USA we have been very tolerant of the anti-vaxers but I suspect that the fallout from COVID will change that...perhaps permanently. Hank 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted November 20, 2020 #102 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Hlitner said: It is not just putting folks at greater risk of getting COVID, but you must also consider that if a single person gets COVID it would likely mean cancelling the cruise not to mention being shut out of any port. Anti Vaxers certainly have their rights (at least in the USA) but they will have to live with the restrictions that result from their anti vax decision. I can imagine that there will be other industries that will also adopt a mandatory vaccination (or antibody test) policy such as major resorts, healthcare facilities, and possibly the airlines. Schools will likely adopt mandatory vaccination rules once the CDC approves a vaccine for children. In the USA we have been very tolerant of the anti-vaxers but I suspect that the fallout from COVID will change that...perhaps permanently. Hank NY State became much less tolerant of anti-vaxxers when there was a measles outbreak in some communities. The "religious" exemption was removed for attending school. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted November 20, 2020 #103 Share Posted November 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Hlitner said: ... In the USA we have been very tolerant of the anti-vaxers but I suspect that the fallout from COVID will change that...perhaps permanently. Hank Yes - an illness with significant mortality rates tends to make people rethink their notions of unlimited tolerance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverigecruiser Posted November 20, 2020 #104 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hlitner said: Schools will likely adopt mandatory vaccination rules once the CDC approves a vaccine for children. In the USA we have been very tolerant of the anti-vaxers but I suspect that the fallout from COVID will change that...perhaps permanently. I don't agree with you that you in the USA have been tolerant to anti-vaxers if it's possible to mandate vaccinations to attend school. That will defenitely never happen here. Edited November 20, 2020 by sverigecruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverigecruiser Posted November 20, 2020 #105 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Just now, sverigecruiser said: I don't agree with you that you in the USA have been tolerant to anti-växters if it's possible to mandate vaccinations to attend school. That will defenitely never happen here. I mean anti-vaxers! (Why can't we edit anymore!?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ColeThornton Posted November 20, 2020 #106 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 minute ago, sverigecruiser said: I mean anti-vaxers! (Why can't we edit anymore!?) The edit button is now in the upper right hand corner of your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverigecruiser Posted November 20, 2020 #107 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 minute ago, ColeThornton said: The edit button is now in the upper right hand corner of your post. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted November 20, 2020 #108 Share Posted November 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, ColeThornton said: The edit button is now in the upper right hand corner of your post. It used to be so much easier to find when you could actually see the word edit without having to click on something. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeanswers Posted November 20, 2020 #109 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, ontheweb said: It used to be so much easier to find when you could actually see the word edit without having to click on something. I have sometimes quoted myself thinking I pressed edit😂. It is going to take some getting use to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted November 21, 2020 #110 Share Posted November 21, 2020 39 minutes ago, ilikeanswers said: I have sometimes quoted myself thinking I pressed edit😂. It is going to take some getting use to. It really does not make much sense to have eliminated the easy to find word edit. I wonder if it was done on purpose or was an unintended consequence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyank Posted November 21, 2020 #111 Share Posted November 21, 2020 17 hours ago, Hlitner said: Anti Vaxers certainly have their rights (at least in the USA) but they will have to live with the restrictions that result from their anti vax decision. I can imagine that there will be other industries that will also adopt a mandatory vaccination (or antibody test) policy such as major resorts, healthcare facilities, and possibly the airlines. Schools will likely adopt mandatory vaccination rules once the CDC approves a vaccine for children. In the USA we have been very tolerant of the anti-vaxers but I suspect that the fallout from COVID will change that...perhaps permanently. I think the anti-vaxers will find themselves excluded from quite a few places and activities, and rightfully so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverigecruiser Posted November 21, 2020 #112 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, crazyank said: I think the anti-vaxers will find themselves excluded from quite a few places and activities, and rightfully so. I doubt that will happen in many places around the world. It seems like a possibility in the US but probably not in many other places. Is it common to have that kind of restrictions in Germany? I'm defenitely not an anti-vaxer but that doesn't mean that I'm interested in getting a rushed vaccine as soon as it's available to me. Edited November 21, 2020 by sverigecruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyank Posted November 21, 2020 #113 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, sverigecruiser said: I doubt that will happen in many places around the world. It seems like a possibility in the US but probably not in many other places. Is it common to have that kind of restrictions in Germany? Excluding anti-vaxers is more common than you think. Take a look at the vaccination requirements for travel to certain parts of the world. Or the vaccination requirements for children to start school in a lot of countries. Because a single case of covid can have such a devastating effect on a cruise and in turn on the cruise line, and because countries will almost certainly require proof of vaccination I think cruise lines would be entirely justified in excluding anti-vaxers. Edited November 21, 2020 by crazyank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverigecruiser Posted November 21, 2020 #114 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, crazyank said: Excluding anti-vaxers is more common than you think. Take a look at the vaccination requirements for travel to certain parts of the world. Or the vaccination requirements for children to start school in a lot of countries. Because a single case of covid can have such a devastating effect on a cruise and in turn on the cruise line, and because countries will almost certainly require proof of vaccination I think cruise lines would be entirely justified in excluding anti-vaxers. I know about the Yellow fever and assume that there are other vaccinations required to enter a limited number of countries but I don't think it's a very common thing. Which kind of vaccinations are required for children to start school in Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverigecruiser Posted November 21, 2020 #115 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, crazyank said: Take a look at the vaccination requirements for travel to certain parts of the world. I did a quick search and the only country I could find which require anything else than Yellow fever was Saudiarabia. Many countries require Yellow fever but only if the person who wants to enter has previously been in Africa or South America. A few countries require Yellow fever. (It was just a quick search so I'm aware that the information may not be 100% correct but it's enough for me to say that required vaccinations isn't common.) That doesn't necessary mean that Covid-19 vaccinations may not be required but I don't expect it to be a common thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Hlitner Posted November 21, 2020 #116 Share Posted November 21, 2020 We can all speculate but only time and written policies will settle this discussion. But I would be willing to guarantee that many countries of the world that have now imposed various restrictions on visitors such as 14 day quarantines, mandatory COVID testing, etc., will quickly change to a policy mandating a current (whatever that means) COVID vaccination. Perhaps Sweden will again go its own way, but just like with masks and shutdowns they will be out there on their own little island. Carrying a shot/vaccination record will be as common (and as necessary) as carrying a Passport. COVID has changed everything. COVID has shown the world how expensive it can be when there is a pandemic (or or even epidemic) and many have learned what it is like to lose a loved one due to disease. Governments, by tradition, are more reactive then proactive and COVID vaccinations will be the new norm. I suspect some countries will go beyond COVID and require other vaccinations such as annual influenza, DTap, MMR, and perhaps a few others. The day when government's simply smile and give a nod/wink to so-called anti-vaxers is over! The fallout from COVID is huge in terms of economics and other related issues. Here in the USA, a majority of our children have lost an entire year of education and a very important year of social growth. The lessons of COVID will be with us for many decades. Hank 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted November 21, 2020 #117 Share Posted November 21, 2020 With governments (including, quite likely, the US) assuming increasing health care expenses, it is likely that they will increasingly require preventive precautions - such as available immunizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancal Posted November 23, 2020 #118 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Does this mean we won't have to do the light or the bleach??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted November 23, 2020 #119 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) And so it begins.... https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Airline-News/Qantas-will-require-Covid-vaccination-for-international-passengers Edited November 23, 2020 by Charles4515 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyank Posted November 24, 2020 #120 Share Posted November 24, 2020 13 hours ago, Charles4515 said: And so it begins.... https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Airline-News/Qantas-will-require-Covid-vaccination-for-international-passengers Good! hopefully other international airlines and cruise lines will follow Qantas example. Wanna travel internationally? Get vaccinated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evandbob Posted November 29, 2020 Author #121 Share Posted November 29, 2020 https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/covid-19-vaccination-passport-for-tourists-is-now-in-development/ar-BB1brZqZ?li=BBnbklE One quote from the above: Travelers who receive the COVID-19 shot will likely have confirmation of their vaccination digitally linked to their official passports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_Westy Posted November 29, 2020 #122 Share Posted November 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, evandbob said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/covid-19-vaccination-passport-for-tourists-is-now-in-development/ar-BB1brZqZ?li=BBnbklE One quote from the above: Travelers who receive the COVID-19 shot will likely have confirmation of their vaccination digitally linked to their official passports. Hopefully this will quell many peoples fears regarding travelling in the future and whilst I understand that some won't want a vaccine that's their choice but it's also good policy to separate them from those of us who require one. If your an anti vaxxer you're probably going to have to wait a few years before travelling anywhere. Wife and I are booked on Princess cruise ex Singapore oct 2021 and she was worried about sharing a ship with possibly infected Americans being allowed to travel but I believe this passport will sort that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted November 29, 2020 #123 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I'll tack this on here: https://nypost.com/2020/11/28/digital-covid-19-passport-may-take-flight-for-air-travel-report/?utm_source=email_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeanswers Posted November 30, 2020 #124 Share Posted November 30, 2020 There is already backlash about vaccines and travel: IATA Travelpass and CommonPass, the COVID-19 passport 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted November 30, 2020 #125 Share Posted November 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, ilikeanswers said: There is already backlash about vaccines and travel: IATA Travelpass and CommonPass, the COVID-19 passport Whew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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