Josy1953 Posted December 1, 2020 #451 Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Splice the mainbrace said: I had to have a swab test last August before at our local hospital before an out patient procedure. I was dreading it because I get nose bleeds and easily gag, however it was fine as it was done by a nurse. My wife had a DIY home swab test as part of the Imperial College study, you really have to put the swab well to the back of your mouth and well up your nose. It makes me wonder how many DIY tests are done properly i.e just waggle the swab around their mouths and only into the outer part of the nostril. I received one from Imperial College and wondered the same thing myself. I was ok because I had been shown how to self swab test as part of the virus trial that I am taking part in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey16 Posted December 1, 2020 #452 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Adawn47 said: Are we back to discussing daffodils again?😊 Avril Can someone tell me what’s the joke with the daffodils!! Ive lead a very sheltered life 😳 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted December 1, 2020 #453 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Purdey16 said: Can someone tell me what’s the joke with the daffodils!! Ive lead a very sheltered life 😳 If we explained it fully, we would be thrown out. It was in a carry on film, Doctor,or Nurse?. I think you imagination may provide the answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincslady Posted December 1, 2020 #454 Share Posted December 1, 2020 A clean clue - it involves the stalk end of the daffs, rather than the flower end.😉 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey16 Posted December 1, 2020 #455 Share Posted December 1, 2020 👍👍 thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobstheboy Posted December 1, 2020 #456 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Banking on a vaccine. I have booked Iona for Feb 22 to the Canaries, got to have something to look forward to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted December 1, 2020 #457 Share Posted December 1, 2020 29 minutes ago, bobstheboy said: Banking on a vaccine. I have booked Iona for Feb 22 to the Canaries, got to have something to look forward to. We are on the Feb 19th cruise, is yours the same one Bob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobstheboy Posted December 1, 2020 #458 Share Posted December 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: We are on the Feb 19th cruise, is yours the same one Bob? That's the one ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted December 1, 2020 #459 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, bobstheboy said: That's the one ! Nearer the time we will have to join/start a roll call and see how many other CCrs are on the cruise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janny444 Posted December 2, 2020 #460 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Hi....this is good news about the Pfizer vaccine being approved and starting the roll out next week. My question is possibly more directed at people who understand these things unless I am overlooking the obvious. Am I correct in thinking that this is the vaccine developed in the USA and if so why are we the first country in the world to approve it and roll out the vaccine and not the country of development the USA ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisg1uk Posted December 2, 2020 #461 Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, janny444 said: Hi....this is good news about the Pfizer vaccine being approved and starting the roll out next week. My question is possibly more directed at people who understand these things unless I am overlooking the obvious. Am I correct in thinking that this is the vaccine developed in the USA and if so why are we the first country in the world to approve it and roll out the vaccine and not the country of development the USA ? I can only go from my daughter who is a medic. She says that each country has its own approval process and we shouldnt be concerned. Its certainly not an indication that its been "rushed" or its a race. There is urgency but medics are by nature a cautioys bunch. Testing process has beenn compressed mainly by funding and resources being available immediately which is unheard of. My only concern is how long it will be befire certain groups start campaigning to be a priority to get access to the vaccine early. Just very pleased so far that indications are it wont be available to buy privately. It should be made available according to need, not the ability to pay. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete14 Posted December 2, 2020 #462 Share Posted December 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, janny444 said: Am I correct in thinking that this is the vaccine developed in the USA and if so why are we the first country in the world to approve it and roll out the vaccine and not the country of development the USA ? I would expect nothing less from a country that seems to be world leading in everything we do. 🥳 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenewbie1976 Posted December 2, 2020 #463 Share Posted December 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, janny444 said: Hi....this is good news about the Pfizer vaccine being approved and starting the roll out next week. My question is possibly more directed at people who understand these things unless I am overlooking the obvious. Am I correct in thinking that this is the vaccine developed in the USA and if so why are we the first country in the world to approve it and roll out the vaccine and not the country of development the USA ? It was developed in Germany and produced in Belgium. Moderna is the American vaccine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted December 2, 2020 #464 Share Posted December 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, janny444 said: Hi....this is good news about the Pfizer vaccine being approved and starting the roll out next week. My question is possibly more directed at people who understand these things unless I am overlooking the obvious. Am I correct in thinking that this is the vaccine developed in the USA and if so why are we the first country in the world to approve it and roll out the vaccine and not the country of development the USA ? The vaccine was 'invented' by BionTech in Germany and Pfizer are involved in testing, manufacture and distribution so it is a 'German' vaccine developed by a brilliant husband and wife team who happen to be of Turkish origin who realised their gene vaccine programme for cancer treatment could work with COVID. Each country or group of countries has its own approval process. Ten million doses are initially available so with 2 doses needed per person that is 5 million people vaccinated. there are 5.7 million people over the age of 75 in the UK so with other priority groups included people like me who are 69 with diabetes and 70 next March may well have to wait until next spring for the next 10 million doses to be delivered. the 7 million doses of Moderna vaccine are not due for delivery until spring. It is interesting that French vaccination programme is not scheduled to start until April so are we being a tad optimistic with 'It will all be over by Easter' 😉 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janny444 Posted December 2, 2020 #465 Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, cruisenewbie1976 said: It was developed in Germany and produced in Belgium. Moderna is the American vaccine. Ah....so I was incorrect in thinking it was developed in the USA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted December 2, 2020 #466 Share Posted December 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, cruisenewbie1976 said: It was developed in Germany and produced in Belgium. Moderna is the American vaccine. BioNTech, a German company, and Pfizer developed the virus together. Every country have their own licensing system. The UK has just given their approval first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted December 2, 2020 #467 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, janny444 said: Ah....so I was incorrect in thinking it was developed in the USA Yes, totally incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted December 2, 2020 #468 Share Posted December 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, davecttr said: Ten million doses are initially available so with 2 doses needed per person that is 5 million people vaccinated. there are 5.7 million people over the age of 75 in the UK so with other priority groups included people like me who are 69 with diabetes and 70 next March may well have to wait until next spring for the next 10 million doses to be delivered. the 7 million doses of Moderna vaccine are not due for delivery until spring. Although the Oxford vaccine will probably be available well before then, so hopefully you will not have to wait that long. Plus, as no deep freeze transportation and storage is required, the inoculation programme shoujd be easier to roll out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted December 2, 2020 #469 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, wowzz said: Although the Oxford vaccine will probably be available well before then, so hopefully you will not have to wait that long. Plus, as no deep freeze transportation and storage is required, the inoculation programme shoujd be easier to roll out. Agree and hopefully the additional testing programme AstraZenica have announced will not take too long to complete. Apparently they need to verify efficacy of the half dose regime for those of 55 years . I read that this can be done with a much smaller test group than the full programme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobstheboy Posted December 2, 2020 #470 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Fantastic news and the Oxford vaccine will follow. Anti vaccers stay away please. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare P&O SUE Posted December 2, 2020 #471 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Typical this news comes out the day after I’ve cancelled my 2021 cruise! It’s really weird not having any idea what I’m doing holiday wise next year! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennizor Posted December 2, 2020 #472 Share Posted December 2, 2020 We are also booked on the 19th Feb 22 cruise. Look forward to the roll call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted December 2, 2020 #473 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, P&O SUE said: Typical this news comes out the day after I’ve cancelled my 2021 cruise! It’s really weird not having any idea what I’m doing holiday wise next year! Don't worry too much about 2021. I have 2 identical cruises booked on Iona for May and September but will probably cancel the May one to give more time for the vaccination programme to have an impact on the disease. 🤞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshirephil Posted December 2, 2020 #474 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, janny444 said: Hi....this is good news about the Pfizer vaccine being approved and starting the roll out next week. My question is possibly more directed at people who understand these things unless I am overlooking the obvious. Am I correct in thinking that this is the vaccine developed in the USA and if so why are we the first country in the world to approve it and roll out the vaccine and not the country of development the USA ? It doesn't really matter who develops or manufactures the vaccine it is down to the regulatory body in our case MHRA to approve it. In the US it is the FDA. Regulatory bodies around the world have masses of data on Pharma companies, this makes it easier to get approval as a lot of the required information is already there. We were audited by MHRA at least every 2 years and the FDA usually every 4 depending on what drugs we were selling in the US. MHRA has been given emergency powers to approve unlicensed covid vaccines, as opposed to going through the European licensing route. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollyjess Posted December 2, 2020 Author #475 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Hi .The news about the vaccine approval is fantastic. Will this make any difference to your 2021 cruise plans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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