grapau27 Posted January 3, 2021 #1351 Share Posted January 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said: Half the problem is what is true and what isn't, an NHS worker we know says that her local hospital has covid patients but is less busy than usual for time of year, yet the local news and other media says it is bursting at the seams with covid patients. Government says the vaccine issues are caused by the pharma companies, they say not. Some teachers say it is safe for kids to go back some say not. The media puts out whatever they want and spins it to suit their own needs The truth may be somewhere in between, however once someone lies to you you are reluctant to believe them in the future. Plus this issue is very emotive. I have heard similar stories which don't match the media hype. The media is often driven by big headlines which don't match the reality when you look deeper. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshirephil Posted January 3, 2021 #1352 Share Posted January 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: I'll raise your tarfu with a susfu🤣 Avril Load of cobblers. Match point. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted January 3, 2021 #1353 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Dermotsgirl said: When infections increase in Yorkshire (they will, when the new variant gets a grip), and the amount of people needing hospitalisation increases, where will they go if beds are being used by people from other parts of the country? We have months to go before the vaccination programme will make a real difference, and the infections are increasing rapidly now. Sadly, it's not enough to be patient - the NHS is on the brink now and infections are increasing now. This is an immediate problem. By mid february most people over 65 should have been vaccinated, this will greatly reduce the pressure on hospitalization cases. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshirephil Posted January 3, 2021 #1354 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: By mid february most people over 65 should have been vaccinated, this will greatly reduce the pressure on hospitalization cases. Maybe they should but I bet they aren't. Not being negative just realistic. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted January 3, 2021 #1355 Share Posted January 3, 2021 According to this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55332242 I am in the 65-69 age group which with the higher priority groups totals 17.3 million They will really have to ramp up the vaccination rate and even more after 12 weeks when the second doses are due 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieC Posted January 3, 2021 #1356 Share Posted January 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: By mid february most people over 65 should have been vaccinated, this will greatly reduce the pressure on hospitalization cases. Were I a betting woman, I'd put money on it that I won't be, and I'm in that group. That's only another 6 weeks! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted January 3, 2021 #1357 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, davecttr said: According to this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55332242 I am in the 65-69 age group which with the higher priority groups totals 17.3 million They will really have to ramp up the vaccination rate and even more after 12 weeks when the second doses are due Not sure where you get your figures from but the official number of over 65s in the UK is just under 12 million, data from several Google sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieC Posted January 3, 2021 #1358 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, terrierjohn said: Not sure where you get your figures from but the official number of over 65s in the UK is just under 12 million, data from several Google sites. Then, as Dave says, there are the high priority groups. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted January 3, 2021 #1359 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, AnnieC said: Then, as Dave says, there are the high priority groups. But there only 1.4 million employees in the entire NHS, and I can't believe there are more than a few hundred thousand of vulnerable under 65s, maybe far less. Edited January 3, 2021 by terrierjohn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Anarchy Posted January 3, 2021 #1360 Share Posted January 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said: Load of cobblers. Match point. Clusterflops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 3, 2021 #1361 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, terrierjohn said: But there only 1.4 million employees in the entire NHS, and I can't believe there are more than a few hundred thousand of under vulnerable under 65s. A million so far and the Oxford vaccine starts on Monday. 2 million jabs a week. All over by Easter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted January 3, 2021 #1362 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, lindylooellalouise said: Hum me too 😂 Pass.🤓😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieC Posted January 3, 2021 #1363 Share Posted January 3, 2021 43 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said: Load of cobblers. Match point. New balls please?😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splice the mainbrace Posted January 3, 2021 #1364 Share Posted January 3, 2021 48 minutes ago, davecttr said: Should I be worried that the HMG COVID Dashboard has not updated the hospital admissions since the 22 December If you scroll down to the local section and put in your postcode it gives local hospital info up to 27th December. Daily summary | Coronavirus in the UK (data.gov.uk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermotsgirl Posted January 3, 2021 #1365 Share Posted January 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: By mid february most people over 65 should have been vaccinated, this will greatly reduce the pressure on hospitalization cases. How many people per week will need to be vaccinated in the next 6 weeks to achieve that figure? Have we definitely got all the vaccines available to achieve this? (I’m assuming this is only one dose, and not the two needed to be fully protected) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 3, 2021 #1366 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said: How many people per week will need to be vaccinated in the next 6 weeks to achieve that figure? Have we definitely got all the vaccines available to achieve this? (I’m assuming this is only one dose, and not the two needed to be fully protected) Don't forget that a third if folks won't have it. I seem to recall you saying you wouldn't have an untried vaccine. Forgive me if you didn't say that🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermotsgirl Posted January 3, 2021 #1367 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, zap99 said: Don't forget that a third if folks won't have it. I seem to recall you saying you wouldn't have an untried vaccine. Forgive me if you didn't say that🤔 I have never said that. I will have the vaccine as soon as as it is available to me. I am not expecting this to happen until the summer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 3, 2021 #1368 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, Dermotsgirl said: I have never said that. I will have the vaccine as soon as as it is available to me. I am not expecting this to happen until the summer Appologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobstheboy Posted January 3, 2021 #1369 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Lots of positive posts I'm pleased to see. I am a glass half full person, but I doubt all over 65's will be vaccinated by mid Feb. My sister, who is 95 has not got an appointment yet. When her son tried to enquire at GPs, he was curtly told she will hear in due course. I am 74, so maybe by end of Feb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 3, 2021 #1370 Share Posted January 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said: I have never said that. I will have the vaccine as soon as as it is available to me. I am not expecting this to happen until the summer You said this in September on another thread, but folks views change. I’m sure that any vaccination would be certified as safe before it was released for general use..... but as it is so new, I don’t intend to be in the vanguard of people who are vaccinated. I’d rather sit back and see what happens first. Not that I’d be given much of a priority anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 3, 2021 #1371 Share Posted January 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, bobstheboy said: Lots of positive posts I'm pleased to see. I am a glass half full person, but I doubt all over 65's will be vaccinated by mid Feb. My sister, who is 95 has not got an appointment yet. When her son tried to enquire at GPs, he was curtly told she will hear in due course. I am 74, so maybe by end of Feb. Nice attitude. I'm sure jabbing will speed up once the system with the Oxford vaccine actually starts. Or course all speculation and guesswork at the moment. Nobody knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermotsgirl Posted January 3, 2021 #1372 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, zap99 said: You said this in September on another thread, but folks views change. I’m sure that any vaccination would be certified as safe before it was released for general use..... but as it is so new, I don’t intend to be in the vanguard of people who are vaccinated. I’d rather sit back and see what happens first. Not that I’d be given much of a priority anyway. And? the vaccine has been certified as safe for use. I have no intention of of being in the vanguard. My need is less than other people’s. If we are playing the game of searching out previous posts and commenting on them, many of your posts haven’t aged well, so I don’t think you really want to go down that route. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted January 3, 2021 #1373 Share Posted January 3, 2021 55 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: By mid february most people over 65 should have been vaccinated, this will greatly reduce the pressure on hospitalization cases. John I sincerely hope that you are right, but fear that you are way out. To get far enough down the priority list to include all those over 65 means around 17m people need vaccinating. Let’s say they quadruple the current vaccination rate and jab 1m this coming week, on top of the 1m done in the first month, that still leaves 15m to be done by mid Feb. That’s over 3m a week, or 12 times the current rate, to meet your mid Feb date. I suspect that, at best, it will be half that and of course that assumes continuous large scale supplies, which seem not to be guaranteed. I’d love to share the optimism that you and others have, but just some very simple arithmetic says that this is all going to take a lot longer than many people think. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josy1953 Posted January 3, 2021 #1374 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, terrierjohn said: By mid february most people over 65 should have been vaccinated, this will greatly reduce the pressure on hospitalization cases. I am over 65 but I will be surprised if I have my vaccination before my birthday which is 31st March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 3, 2021 #1375 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Selbourne said: John I sincerely hope that you are right, but fear that you are way out. To get far enough down the priority list to include all those over 65 means around 17m people need vaccinating. Let’s say they quadruple the current vaccination rate and jab 1m this coming week, on top of the 1m done in the first month, that still leaves 15m to be done by mid Feb. That’s over 3m a week, or 12 times the current rate, to meet your mid Feb date. I suspect that, at best, it will be half that and of course that assumes continuous large scale supplies, which seem not to be guaranteed. I’d love to share the optimism that you and others have, but just some very simple arithmetic says that this is all going to take a lot longer than many people think. 17m less the third who say they won't have it leaves 12m. At 2 million a week. My simple arithmetic must be too simple. But we don't know do we?, we are guessing. As the programme with the Oxford jab dont start till Monday, isn't it fair to give people a chance .? Edited January 3, 2021 by zap99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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