terrierjohn Posted January 31, 2021 #3676 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, wowzz said: Actually, I do think that some times it is time to say Good Bye A bit repetitive wowzz. But really, surely it depends on the individual circumstances, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted January 31, 2021 #3677 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Folks - can I just apologise for multiple posts and deletions. It seems impossible to delete an entire post. My apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted January 31, 2021 #3678 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: A bit repetitive wowzz. But really, surely it depends on the individual circumstances, I was thinking of my Father, and without being personal, he died a long and painful death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tring Posted January 31, 2021 #3679 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, wowzz said: Folks - can I just apologise for multiple posts and deletions. It seems impossible to delete an entire post. My apologies. That can be done through the reporting system if you ask for your post to be deleted. Admin will delete posts if asked by the person who made the post. I agree the situation with ill elderly people does depends a lot on the person, how ill they are and if they have good chance of a good recovery. Personally if I was very ill, and thought I may not recover fairly well, I would not thank anyone for keeping me alive. I have seen relatives suffer a lot over a long time when they have been kept alive in a bad state of health for a number of years. Quality of life is the key imo. I always think how an animal would not be kept alive if they were suffering. Edited January 31, 2021 by tring 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted January 31, 2021 #3680 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, tring said: That can be done through the reporting system if you ask for your post to be deleted. Admin will delete posts if asked by the person who made the post. I agree the situation with ill elderly people does depend on the person and how ill they are and if they have good chance of a full recovery. Personally if I was very ill, and thought I may not recover fairly well, I would not thank anyone for keeping me alive. I have seen relatives suffer a lot over a long time after they have been kept alive in a bad state for a number of years. Quality of life is the key imo Thank you. To be fair to the Mods, it can take a time before posts are deleted, hence my DIY efforts! And with regards to the other aspect of your post - yes, I totally agree. Sometimes it is actually long enough to say good bye to someone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardennais Posted February 1, 2021 #3681 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, terrierjohn said: He was on holiday in the Caribbean over Xmas with his family, and has been suffering from pneumonia symptoms for a few weeks, and vaccination is not recommended when suffering from that. I’m flabbergasted. Who ever thought that was a sensible thing to do? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted February 1, 2021 #3682 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ardennais said: I’m flabbergasted. Who ever thought that was a sensible thing to do? I agree. Nothing like an 8 hour flight, even in Club, to keep a 100 year old man fit ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardennais Posted February 1, 2021 #3683 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Was that an essential trip then? We were in lockdown then! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted February 1, 2021 #3684 Share Posted February 1, 2021 12 hours ago, Adawn47 said: That one sentence always makes me wince. Whatever a loved one's age, it is never long enough. Avril I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted February 1, 2021 #3685 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ardennais said: We disapprove of all the so-called celebrities who fly off to warmer climes unnecessarily and to me, this case is no different. Of course I wish him and everyone a full recovery. We flew home from San Francisco on December 4th 2019 after a 15 night Hawaiian cruise. No one had heard about Covid19 until late February early March 2020 so nothing wrong with Captain Tom having a December holiday in the Caribbean if he,his doctor and his family thought he was fit enough. My doctor gave his approval to me flying to Spain for a 4 day recovery break in January 5 weeks after my mild heart attack. Best wishes to Sir Captain Tom. Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardennais Posted February 1, 2021 #3686 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, grapau27 said: We flew home from San Francisco on December 4th 2019 after a 15 night Hawaiian cruise. No one had heard about Covid19 until late February early March 2020 so nothing wrong with Captain Tom having a December holiday in the Caribbean if he,his doctor and his family thought he was fit enough. My doctor gave his approval to me flying to Spain for a 4 day recovery break in January 5 weeks after my mild heart attack. Best wishes to Sir Captain Tom. Graham. Sorry but it wasn’t essential and it looks like it’s backfired spectacularly. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eddie99 Posted February 1, 2021 #3687 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Am I the only one confused over dates here (The Captain Tom thing)? No matter - it’ll be a storm in a teacup I’m sure Longer term news is that the government has ordered more mega-millions of vaccine doses from a French developer. This seems to show that they are getting set for continual vaccinations for the foreseeable future. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1 Posted February 1, 2021 #3688 Share Posted February 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, Ardennais said: Sorry but it wasn’t essential and it looks like it’s backfired spectacularly. IF this is true,I totally agree and his family are selfish.I think he would be happy with a trip to Blackpool let alone Barbados.Simple things like travel insurance being impossible.I'm watching Piers Morgan now and he'd be the first to jump on this if it were true.Anyone got a link for this news? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1 Posted February 1, 2021 #3689 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Eddie99 said: Am I the only one confused over dates here (The Captain Tom thing)? No matter - it’ll be a storm in a teacup I’m sure Longer term news is that the government has ordered more mega-millions of vaccine doses from a French developer. This seems to show that they are getting set for continual vaccinations for the foreseeable future. I'm thinking that now,was this xmas 2019.France has just had a vaccine fail and rejected.Hope it's not connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinglebert Posted February 1, 2021 #3690 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, lincslady said: Funnily enough, human nature being what it is, most of us would not disapprove of Sir Tom's holiday while roundly condemning the antics of one D. Cummings and a few others. He must be pretty fit for his age, so here's hoping he makes a full recovery. I do disapprove. Through no choice of his own he was made the "face" of the UK fightback against the virus. The ex WW2 soldier showing the virus that we can beat it. We beat the the Axis forces in the war and we can beat this virus was the message the papers put out. What he did gained millions for NHS charities which is a good thing. He bacame lauded, was given a Knighthood and was a rallying point for many. "If he can do it so can we". With all that whether he wanted it or not came a degree of responsibility. To go off on holiday when we were being specifically told not to is just plain wrong no matter who you are. I wish him a speedy recovery. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted February 1, 2021 #3691 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Wasn’t overseas travel actually permitted at the time? Difficult dilemma should he need an ICU bed though. No way would one be given to anyone that age, but............. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted February 1, 2021 #3692 Share Posted February 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, Eddie99 said: Am I the only one confused over dates here (The Captain Tom thing)? No matter - it’ll be a storm in a teacup I’m sure Longer term news is that the government has ordered more mega-millions of vaccine doses from a French developer. This seems to show that they are getting set for continual vaccinations for the foreseeable future. I understand it was before Christmas when the tier system was in place that Captain Tom was away with his family but it must have been within the rules. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted February 1, 2021 #3693 Share Posted February 1, 2021 52 minutes ago, grapau27 said: We flew home from San Francisco on December 4th 2019 after a 15 night Hawaiian cruise. No one had heard about Covid19 until late February early March 2020 so nothing wrong with Captain Tom having a December holiday in the Caribbean if he,his doctor and his family thought he was fit enough. My doctor gave his approval to me flying to Spain for a 4 day recovery break in January 5 weeks after my mild heart attack. Best wishes to Sir Captain Tom. Graham. My point for Captain Tom was if it was legal to fly to Barbados and his doctor gave him the okay and his family were there as carers he did nothing wrong. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a big mistake and he recovers. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincslady Posted February 1, 2021 #3694 Share Posted February 1, 2021 It seems that he arrived in Barbados on 12th December, at the invitation of the Barbados Tourist Board. I don't know for how long, or if it was then within the rules; no doubt someone will put me right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted February 1, 2021 #3695 Share Posted February 1, 2021 56 minutes ago, Ardennais said: Sorry but it wasn’t essential and it looks like it’s backfired spectacularly. Let's hope he recovers but the holiday seems to have been within the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieC Posted February 1, 2021 #3696 Share Posted February 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: Wasn’t overseas travel actually permitted at the time? Difficult dilemma should he need an ICU bed though. No way would one be given to anyone that age, but............. I think so. It may have been at the point where you could travel to an airport via a different tier but weren't allowed to stop? I hope the good Captain's bladder functioned better than the average 100 years old's. Gather this trip was on his bucket list and one is slightly running out of time to fulfil one's bucket list at 100+, particularly during a pandemic. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted February 1, 2021 #3697 Share Posted February 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Ardennais said: Was that an essential trip then? We were in lockdown then! Not in December. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieC Posted February 1, 2021 #3698 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: Not in December. I think Wales was (poor Wales seems to have been in lockdown for months), so that may account for the confusion - I believe Ardennais is in the Principality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermotsgirl Posted February 1, 2021 #3699 Share Posted February 1, 2021 From reading the media reports BA provided free flights. The thing is, if the guidelines allows us to do an activity - and I don’t think it was against the rules to fly to Barbados in December, then we can’t really complain if people do something that they are permitted to do - even if it’s not something we’d do ourselves 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulanis Posted February 1, 2021 #3700 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Whilst the vaccine ingredients discussion has passed this site seems to be pretty good the links being to .gov responses. https://www.healthierlsc.co.uk/CovidVaccination/faqs/ingredients 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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