emmas gran Posted December 20, 2020 #1 Share Posted December 20, 2020 from the P&O website bottom of page....LINK When we return to sailing unfortunately we will be unable to accept guests who have the following medical requirements: Supplementary oxygen (including via oxygen concentrator) Mechanical ventilatory support (except for overnight CPAP for sleep apnoea) Dialysis Within the 14 days prior to the cruise: Have been unwell with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 Have been in close contact with someone with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 Have been advised to self-isolate under a government Test and Trace system We are so sorry to have to make this change, but we need to follow new industry procedures for the protection of everyone on board. Any guest that is impacted by the requirement for supplementary oxygen, mechanical ventilatory support or dialysis will be given a full refund of monies paid to date for their bookings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchy1950 Posted December 20, 2020 #2 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I certainly hope so - it only takes one unwell passenger to turn the ship around and ruin the cruise for everyone. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royallondon Posted December 20, 2020 #3 Share Posted December 20, 2020 As the final paragraph states: “we need to follow new industry procedures for the protection of everyone on board” So yes, my interpretation is that other lines will take this cause of action. Regards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkesbaynz Posted December 20, 2020 #4 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Agree with he first three. They demand alot of care for the medical/nursing staff and can get sick quick & often. Certainly agree with the Covid clauses but that does prove difficult for holidaying health care staff who deal with Covid cases (although wearing PPE). They will have been innoculted presumably (I have had first dose). Hopefully there will be little community Covid-19 about as the vaccine will have been given to most requiring it by then. I suspect this we will updated in the Spring/Summer when hopefully the vaccine will cover alot of the community and there are options available for people not on the current lists to purcase the vaccine prior to a cruise. Not sure what will happen to children though as doubt any have been tested on them yet. Likewise pregnant women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanger727 Posted December 20, 2020 #5 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Well the last 3 are a given, if you are isolating or quarantining due to a Covid diagnosis or exposure you shouldn’t be going to the grocery store, let alone going on a cruise. Isolating or quarantining means stay home. the first two make a lot of sense. They are facing the reality that it will be impossible to keep Covid completely off the ships for the foreseeable future and are trying to keep the most high risk people off who would be needing an ICU or have greatest risk of death. I would whole heartedly expect this to be adopted by all cruise lines. It’s pretty generous. Think they could also exclude many more people that are high risk and have chosen not to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downsmead Posted December 20, 2020 #6 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) Yes Cunard have issued the same email / notification, so it is possibly a Carnival ‘action’. I think it is likely that other cruise lines will follow. There is also one about linking travelling groups so that dining bubbles can be accommodated. The number in the bubble depends on the U.K. restrictions in place at the time of sailing. Edited December 20, 2020 by downsmead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deliver42 Posted December 20, 2020 #7 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I'll probably be flamed for this, but I really think that at this time, the rules are reasonable. I think you can probably add that the vaccine will be a requirement. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouremco Posted December 20, 2020 #8 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I've no issue with any of these requirements. Unfortunately, the situations described under the 4th bullet are the most worrisome from the perspective of virus transmission, yet are based entirely on passengers' honesty and willingness to declare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelayne Posted December 20, 2020 #9 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Sounds reasonable to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmas gran Posted December 20, 2020 Author #10 Share Posted December 20, 2020 8 hours ago, downsmead said: Yes Cunard have issued the same email / notification, so it is possibly a Carnival ‘action’. I think it is likely that other cruise lines will follow. There is also one about linking travelling groups so that dining bubbles can be accommodated. The number in the bubble depends on the U.K. restrictions in place at the time of sailing. I guess as you say if Cunard are taking this action the Carnival group will follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix_dream Posted December 20, 2020 #11 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) I have no issue with the requirements and I expect all ships will have them, at least for some time. I certainly feel for the people this excludes. But let's be honest, if you have those conditions you should really not be boarding a ship in the foreseeable future, for your own sake if nothing else. And yes, it is your life and your body, but critically ill people onboard could easily adversely impact the entire cruise so it is more than a matter of someone willing to take a risk. Edited December 20, 2020 by phoenix_dream 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4774Papa Posted December 20, 2020 #12 Share Posted December 20, 2020 These are reasonable under current circumstances. Once vaccines have been widely administered cruise lines may decide to require vaccines. This would likely change and simplify the requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cangelmd Posted December 20, 2020 #13 Share Posted December 20, 2020 They let people on before requiring mechanical ventilation?! What about ambulatory peritoneal dialysis? Granted those folk shouldn’t cruise right now, but should be able later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny01 Posted December 20, 2020 #14 Share Posted December 20, 2020 52 minutes ago, cangelmd said: They let people on before requiring mechanical ventilation?! What about ambulatory peritoneal dialysis? Granted those folk shouldn’t cruise right now, but should be able later... What the heck is that? And no, that’s kind of a ‘rhetorical’ question that I don’t think any of us could possibly answer. den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covepointcruiser Posted December 21, 2020 #15 Share Posted December 21, 2020 The new guidance makes sense. We will, however, still have to deal with those lying on their health questionnaires. A good example is the man who lied and then boarded a United Airlines flight with his wife. Both knew he probably had COVID and was having trouble breathing. He died shortly after take off but not before potentially spreading the virus to the 150+ other passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted December 21, 2020 #16 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Covepointcruiser said: The new guidance makes sense. We will, however, still have to deal with those lying on their health questionnaires. A good example is the man who lied and then boarded a United Airlines flight with his wife. Both knew he probably had COVID and was having trouble breathing. He died shortly after take off but not before potentially spreading the virus to the 150+ other passengers. and the couple that did the same going to Hawaii... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threedrones Posted December 21, 2020 #17 Share Posted December 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Covepointcruiser said: The new guidance makes sense. We will, however, still have to deal with those lying on their health questionnaires. A good example is the man who lied and then boarded a United Airlines flight with his wife. Both knew he probably had COVID and was having trouble breathing. He died shortly after take off but not before potentially spreading the virus to the 150+ other passengers. Has this been confirmed now? CDC, up until this morning, had not concluded, saying he “potentially” had Covid. Personally, I wouldn’t trust peoples’ “honesty”. Proof of vaccines a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony s Posted December 21, 2020 #18 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Sounds reasonable to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted December 21, 2020 #19 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Will other lines take this action? Probably yes or some version of it. Makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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