lizzius Posted March 6, 2021 #326 Share Posted March 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, broberts said: Why such animus towards an organization simply following its mandate? Because its mandate should not include dictating our behavior outside of emergency situations, which we are arguably nearly to the end of with regard to this pandemic. As an example: the CDC says steaks should be cooked to an internal temperature of 145*, which is a crime in my book. I would love to see them try to enforce that at a steak house. Their recommendations should be tempered by a personal acceptance of risk (though I would make a broad cutout for emergency situations). 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare broberts Posted March 6, 2021 #327 Share Posted March 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, lizzius said: Because its mandate should not include dictating our behavior outside of emergency situations, which we are arguably nearly to the end of with regard to this pandemic. As an example: the CDC says steaks should be cooked to an internal temperature of 145*, which is a crime in my book. I would love to see them try to enforce that at a steak house. Their recommendations should be tempered by a personal acceptance of risk (though I would make a broad cutout for emergency situations). The CDC mandate is decided in DC. The CDC does not force you to cook steaks to an internal temperature of 145. It does say that 145 is the temperature at which whole beef (as opposed to processed) is safe to eat. You are free to ignore that knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzius Posted March 6, 2021 #328 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Just now, broberts said: The CDC mandate is decided in DC. The CDC does not force you to cook steaks to an internal temperature of 145. It does say that 145 is the temperature at which whole beef (as opposed to processed) is safe to eat. You are free to ignore that knowledge. And the CDC's recommendations for masking should also carry no force outside of what politicians (and therefore the public) are willing to concede. That's the point. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare broberts Posted March 6, 2021 #329 Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 hour ago, lizzius said: And the CDC's recommendations for masking should also carry no force outside of what politicians (and therefore the public) are willing to concede. That's the point. I'm curious, do you routinely ignore your doctor's medical advice? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAZephyr Posted March 6, 2021 #330 Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 hour ago, broberts said: I'm curious, do you routinely ignore your doctor's medical advice? I do. Doesn't everyone. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted March 6, 2021 #331 Share Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, DCGuy64 said: Exactly. I listened to the WH Coronavirus task force briefings last year. All I remember was masks, masks, masks, plus handwashing and social distancing. I don't recall them ever talking about goggles. (maybe they did, but nowhere near as much as masks and face coverings. Not even close.) The task force emphasized not to touch our face. That accomplishes the same end result of eliminating contamination in the eyes, nose and mouth by our own hands. Wearing eye glasses is just a little bit of added protection for the eyes because folks who wear glasses tend to touch their eyes less than folks who do not wear glasses. I know that it works for me that way because I don't want finger prints on my lenses. Edited March 6, 2021 by coffeebean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikew0805 Posted March 6, 2021 #332 Share Posted March 6, 2021 On 3/2/2021 at 12:02 PM, TheMastodon said: I don't wash my hands anymore today than I have in the past. Nor will I ever wear a mask again to avoid flu or a flipping cold. I don't wash additional either, because I never missed an opportunity before the pandemic to wash my hands. I would wear a mask if I knew I was in a high risk situation for influenza, not for a cold. I still want exposure to cold viruses, and want every vaccine I can get. Exposure and vaccines are great for my immune system. As far as masks on the ship. I couldn't care less. Half the time I forget to take mine off when I am able to. It's just no big deal as an adult. I can imagine it is hard on a young kids that do not understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikew0805 Posted March 6, 2021 #333 Share Posted March 6, 2021 10 hours ago, lizzius said: Because its mandate should not include dictating our behavior outside of emergency situations, which we are arguably nearly to the end of with regard to this pandemic. As an example: the CDC says steaks should be cooked to an internal temperature of 145*, which is a crime in my book. I would love to see them try to enforce that at a steak house. Their recommendations should be tempered by a personal acceptance of risk (though I would make a broad cutout for emergency situations). Yeah except when you or I choose to eat a steak at a reduced temp, we are not putting others at risk... only ourselves. The CDC (nor anyone else for that matter) does not care what you, or anyone else does that only affects themself. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare vacationlover_mn Posted March 6, 2021 #334 Share Posted March 6, 2021 39 minutes ago, coffeebean said: The task force emphasized not to touch our face. That accomplishes the same end result of eliminating contamination in the eyes, nose and mouth by our own hands. Wearing eye glasses is just a little bit of added protection for the eyes because folks who wear glasses tend to touch their eyes less than folks who do not wear glasses. I know that it works for me that way because I don't want finger prints on my lenses. I’ve been working from home almost a year, and I’ve chosen glasses over contacts almost every day, for the reasons you stated above! They definitely minimize how much I rub my eyes, and, when I wear contacts, I would sometimes touch them to adjust them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keksie Posted March 6, 2021 #335 Share Posted March 6, 2021 9 hours ago, broberts said: I'm curious, do you routinely ignore your doctor's medical advice? Sometimes yes and sometimes no. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keksie Posted March 6, 2021 #336 Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 hour ago, coffeebean said: Wearing eye glasses is just a little bit of added protection for the eyes because folks who wear glasses tend to touch their eyes less than folks who do not wear glasses. I know that it works for me that way because I don't want finger prints on my lenses. I wear glasses and I am constantly taking them off, checking for spots, cleaning them etc. Without glasses I would touch my face a lot less. I do wash my hands a lot but I have always done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastodon Posted March 6, 2021 #337 Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Mikew0805 said: I don't wash additional either, because I never missed an opportunity before the pandemic to wash my hands. I would wear a mask if I knew I was in a high risk situation for influenza, not for a cold. I still want exposure to cold viruses, and want every vaccine I can get. Exposure and vaccines are great for my immune system. As far as masks on the ship. I couldn't care less. Half the time I forget to take mine off when I am able to. It's just no big deal as an adult. I can imagine it is hard on a young kids that do not understand. Yes I agree but I draw the line when it’s pointless to wear a mask. If we are all vaccinated then move on from masks - we aren’t doing this forever. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikew0805 Posted March 6, 2021 #338 Share Posted March 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, TheMastodon said: Yes I agree but I draw the line when it’s pointless to wear a mask. If we are all vaccinated then move on from masks - we aren’t doing this forever. Agree.. if all are vaccinated on the ship.. severe illness is extremely unlikely and there should be no mask requirement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastodon Posted March 6, 2021 #339 Share Posted March 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mikew0805 said: Agree.. if all are vaccinated on the ship.. severe illness is extremely unlikely and there should be no mask requirement. Now initially I’m not sure what the requirement will be at ports - if they want us to mask up inside shops, etc that’s fine. Who knows how fast the Caribbean will be vaccinated. One would think those islands are eager for ships since cruises basically are their economy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastodon Posted March 6, 2021 #340 Share Posted March 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, TheMastodon said: Yes I agree but I draw the line when it’s pointless to wear a mask. If we are all vaccinated then move on from masks - we aren’t doing this forever. And just for the record if everyone is virtue signaling wearing masks to protect others from colds, flu, etc then we should all start telling heavy people to loose weight because that’s what leads to severe illness/disease. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted March 6, 2021 #341 Share Posted March 6, 2021 2 hours ago, coffeebean said: The task force emphasized not to touch our face. My observation has been that people have their hands near their face quite often between adjusting their mask and taking it on and off. Not to mention where they place the mask when they take it off and then put it back on their face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted March 6, 2021 #342 Share Posted March 6, 2021 36 minutes ago, TheMastodon said: Yes I agree but I draw the line when it’s pointless to wear a mask. If we are all vaccinated then move on from masks - we aren’t doing this forever. I also think emphasizing that could bring a lot of vaccine hold outs on board. Right now all that group sees is people getting vaccinated and still being held to all the restrictive mandates that were placed on them before being vaccinated so they have little motivation to reassess their stance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keksie Posted March 6, 2021 #343 Share Posted March 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said: My observation has been that people have their hands near their face quite often between adjusting their mask and taking it on and off. Not to mention where they place the mask when they take it off and then put it back on their face. I take mine up and down all the time. I shove it in my back pocket or the bottom of my purse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted March 6, 2021 #344 Share Posted March 6, 2021 12 hours ago, broberts said: The CDC mandate is decided in DC. I sure thought the CDC was located in Atlanta? 😇 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmhlin Posted March 6, 2021 #345 Share Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) Mask is protecting yourself and others. This argument is similar to arguing about drinking and driving. Some people has high alcohol tolerance and some not so much. That is why government setup strict rules to ban people from drinking and driving to protect their people. Same thing applies to mask in pandemic. Same as some argue why they cannot smoke anywhere they want. Government setup guideline and rules for a reason. Edited March 6, 2021 by jmhlin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcruzin Posted March 6, 2021 #346 Share Posted March 6, 2021 On 3/5/2021 at 11:32 AM, firefly333 said: I did NOT say they covered up the information. Show me the thread here about it, if it's being talked about as much as making for sure it must have it's own thread. I said it is not equally emphasised. If I missed it, where is the thread about it, I only see vaccines and masks being discussed, not this as being EQUALLY important. I turn on my tv, it's all arguments about masks, no one about wearing eye covering. It would be equally on my tv with mask wearing if equal emphasis was on it. I didnt say it doesnt exist, I said the doctors office did it. I did not say it was unknown. So dont forget to find the thread here on it if it's so important. It was not widely emphasized. However, every Dr appointment that I have been to over the past year the Dr has had a face shield on in addition to his eye glasses and mask. I have been to several different specialists as well as my PCP. It was mentioned briefly on the news and then it was impossible to get a face shield so I guess they didn't push the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare broberts Posted March 6, 2021 #347 Share Posted March 6, 2021 3 hours ago, TheMastodon said: Now initially I’m not sure what the requirement will be at ports - if they want us to mask up inside shops, etc that’s fine. Who knows how fast the Caribbean will be vaccinated. One would think those islands are eager for ships since cruises basically are their economy. USVI and San Juan shouldn't have a problem getting vaccine. Nor should St Maarten, ABC, and other islands still part of a European nation. Independent islands however may have difficulties getting any vaccine initially. Most don't have much economic clout and with very small at risk populations they are likely well behind other nations on any priority list. 2 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said: I sure thought the CDC was located in Atlanta? 😇 It is. Mandates are set in law. Last I heard federal law is set in DC. If that is not clear, the point I was making was that the CDC is simply doing what it by law must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastodon Posted March 6, 2021 #348 Share Posted March 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, broberts said: USVI and San Juan shouldn't have a problem getting vaccine. Nor should St Maarten, ABC, and other islands still part of a European nation. Independent islands however may have difficulties getting any vaccine initially. Most don't have much economic clout and with very small at risk populations they are likely well behind other nations on any priority list. It is. Mandates are set in law. Last I heard federal law is set in DC. If that is not clear, the point I was making was that the CDC is simply doing what it by law must. Hopefully USA gives them some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonit964 Posted March 6, 2021 #349 Share Posted March 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Mikew0805 said: Yeah except when you or I choose to eat a steak at a reduced temp, we are not putting others at risk... only ourselves. The CDC (nor anyone else for that matter) does not care what you, or anyone else does that only affects themself. You took the words right outta my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare broberts Posted March 6, 2021 #350 Share Posted March 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, TheMastodon said: Hopefully USA gives them some. A number of first world countries are going to end up with large amounts of unneeded vaccine. I know Canada has bought enough to vaccinate the entire population a couple of times. I suspect the real problem is going to be prioritizing these relatively small populations. It's probably as much work to send 5 million doses to Malawi as 200,000 to Antigua. And guess which one garners more political points 😐. Perhaps the cruise lines can help. While people in Africa are important, getting the Carribean cruise business going again is win-win-win-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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