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On 5/13/2021 at 4:37 PM, Ourusualbeach said:

I have one at Christmas and am starting to feel a lot better about it.

I our August cruise sails and we are able to be on it (vaccinations all done and the border open), I am very interested to see how the ship feels if not 100% full.  I was excited to sail on the Adventure in March 2020 when it was going to only be 1/3 full, but that cruise was cancelled on us with less than 24 hours notice.  I still would love to experience a ship at half capacity to see what it feels like.  I know there may be other restrictions in regards to masking, ports, social distancing, but I still am curious on how a half full ship would be (hopefully shorter flowrider lines)

 

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On 5/13/2021 at 7:36 AM, Tippyton said:

Sorry  - not going to follow the advice of an infographic from someone on the internet.  I dont drink from that bucket.  Double mask anyone?

 

 

 

 

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You may not want to follow advice from an info-graphic, BUT....... what about physicians who advised President Trump and the first lady to get vaccinated after they both had Covid? They were smart and got vaccinated.

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On 5/13/2021 at 11:44 AM, baldilocks said:

 

The Covid virus will be with us for years to come....just like the flu. Does that mean we have to wear masks and stand six feet apart for years? There will always be risks in life. You just have to weigh the risks for yourself and family. I choose to live a life of freedom...not living in constant fear.

There is no fear if you are vaccinated.

Life returns to normal, if you are vaccinated.

Extremely minimal risk of Covid, if you are vaccinated.

I'm vaccinated and very happy to let anyone know if they ask me.

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On 5/13/2021 at 12:32 PM, RedIguana said:

Please do a little research looking in to having the vaccine for your wife. There apparently is some data suggesting the MRNA vaccines provide relief for long haulers. Not everyone, but somewhere north of 50% last I saw. Covid did a pretty good number on my wife last year. She had the fever/chills side effects from both does of Moderna, I only had slight effects from second shot. 

Here is an article that may be of great interest.....

Covid vaccine help long haul sufferers

 

Here is another of interest........

Do vaccines help Covid long haulers?

 

One more...........

Vaccines Help Some Covid Long Haulers

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On 5/13/2021 at 12:38 PM, ricka47 said:

 

I did see that research and thanks.  But, she has seen some research showing just the opposite. Plus, I was down for a day after dose 1 (Pfizer) and 2-1/2 days after dose 2 which prompted her to cancel her appointment.

 

So, I think that she will shoot for Moderna when she builds up enough courage or as we get closer to sailing.

My first shot of Moderna vaccine gave me a sore arm and that was it. 14 hours after my second shot, I had flu like symptoms with a 102.6 fever. Those symptoms lasted about 12 hours. They were THE MOST GLORIOUS HOURS that I have ever spent feeling ill.

 

I knew my immune system was robust with that side effect. It is mostly young people who have those types of side effects because they have more robust immune systems than older folks. I was never so elated to see my old senior self still had an immune system which could mount a great immune response. I much preferred to have that response than wind up hospitalized with Covid. That is for sure! Hope your wife gets the courage soon to get herself protected.

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On 5/13/2021 at 2:33 PM, DCGuy64 said:

There's a saying that "correlation does not equal causation."

 

While that's true, I do think the easing of restrictions happening at the same time the CDC is increasingly under fire by the media, science, and government is very coincidental. VERY coincidental.

Agree. There is so much questioning such as, "Why get vaccinated if I STILL have to continue to wear a mask?" I believe that mantra is what has lit a fire under the CDC to move on and post new guidelines for vaccinated people. Good for them. The science seems to be there so why not act on it?
 

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7 hours ago, coffeebean said:

You may not want to follow advice from an info-graphic, BUT....... what about physicians who advised President Trump and the first lady to get vaccinated after they both had Covid? They were smart and got vaccinated.

More and more data and studies supporting what I've been saying for months.   Also more and more people like me asking why my cohort needs to be vaccinated.  Also more and more evidence that the natural immunity is better than a vaccine.  Also more and more people asking about the lack of phased trials for previously infected people.  Also more and more people asking about my cohort in general....We're at herd immunity now, not entirely from vaccines. 

 

How do I know?  I understand science and I research myself - I don't follow the advice of infographics or anybody on the internet.  Time to get up to speed and stray from the teleprompter.  It's nice to be vindicated from all the namecalling, SM cancellation, and hate over the last few months.  The brainwashing borders on criminal.

 

Suggest informed or those who want to be informed watch this video.

 

 

https://www.portugalresident.com/new-data-shows-natural-covid-infection-leaves-people-better-protected-than-if-they-take-the-vaccine/

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/youve-had-covid-long-immunity-221359167.html

https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/03/19/natural-immunity-or-vaccination-better-15409

 

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2021/05/27/rand-paul-says-people-natural-covid-immunity-should-skip-vaccine/7468051002/

 

https://newspunch.com/natural-immunity-to-covid-19-may-last-a-lifetime-new-studies-show/

 

https://bestlifeonline.com/not-need-covid-booster-news/

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3 hours ago, Tippyton said:

More and more data and studies supporting what I've been saying for months.   Also more and more people like me asking why my cohort needs to be vaccinated.  Also more and more evidence that the natural immunity is better than a vaccine.  Also more and more people asking about the lack of phased trials for previously infected people.  Also more and more people asking about my cohort in general....We're at herd immunity now, not entirely from vaccines. 

 

How do I know?  I understand science and I research myself - I don't follow the advice of infographics or anybody on the internet.  Time to get up to speed and stray from the teleprompter.  It's nice to be vindicated from all the namecalling, SM cancellation, and hate over the last few months.  The brainwashing borders on criminal.

 

Suggest informed or those who want to be informed watch this video.

 

 

https://www.portugalresident.com/new-data-shows-natural-covid-infection-leaves-people-better-protected-than-if-they-take-the-vaccine/

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/youve-had-covid-long-immunity-221359167.html

https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/03/19/natural-immunity-or-vaccination-better-15409

 

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2021/05/27/rand-paul-says-people-natural-covid-immunity-should-skip-vaccine/7468051002/

 

https://newspunch.com/natural-immunity-to-covid-19-may-last-a-lifetime-new-studies-show/

 

https://bestlifeonline.com/not-need-covid-booster-news/

 

Just because antibodies are known to persist after previous infection, it does not mean they are as robust at inducing a comparable, robust immune response as do the vaccines. A UC Irvine study has shown that immune response from mRNA COVID-19 vaccines is more robust than natural infection.

 

Your sources rely heavily on opinion and not on actual studies conducted. At least two of them cite the opinions of Rand Paul, a politician and ophthalmologist, not an infection disease expert. ACHS's credibility is questionable considering its funding sources.

 

If you could link actual studies to support your conclusions, maybe I can get more informed.

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6 hours ago, BOOKBOOKBOOK said:

 

Just because antibodies are known to persist after previous infection, it does not mean they are as robust at inducing a comparable, robust immune response as do the vaccines. A UC Irvine study has shown that immune response from mRNA COVID-19 vaccines is more robust than natural infection.

 

Your sources rely heavily on opinion and not on actual studies conducted. At least two of them cite the opinions of Rand Paul, a politician and ophthalmologist, not an infection disease expert. ACHS's credibility is questionable considering its funding sources.

 

If you could link actual studies to support your conclusions, maybe I can get more informed.

Watch the video.  Plenty of links there.    Or don't and just steer clear of me - I'm ok with that.

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10 hours ago, Tippyton said:

More and more data and studies supporting what I've been saying for months.   Also more and more people like me asking why my cohort needs to be vaccinated.  Also more and more evidence that the natural immunity is better than a vaccine.  Also more and more people asking about the lack of phased trials for previously infected people.  Also more and more people asking about my cohort in general....We're at herd immunity now, not entirely from vaccines. 

 

How do I know?  I understand science and I research myself - I don't follow the advice of infographics or anybody on the internet.  Time to get up to speed and stray from the teleprompter.  It's nice to be vindicated from all the namecalling, SM cancellation, and hate over the last few months.  The brainwashing borders on criminal.

 

Suggest informed or those who want to be informed watch this video.

 

 

https://www.portugalresident.com/new-data-shows-natural-covid-infection-leaves-people-better-protected-than-if-they-take-the-vaccine/

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/youve-had-covid-long-immunity-221359167.html

https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/03/19/natural-immunity-or-vaccination-better-15409

 

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2021/05/27/rand-paul-says-people-natural-covid-immunity-should-skip-vaccine/7468051002/

 

https://newspunch.com/natural-immunity-to-covid-19-may-last-a-lifetime-new-studies-show/

 

https://bestlifeonline.com/not-need-covid-booster-news/

Thank you for posting this. A refreshing change from the dominant group-think rampant in our society today.

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39 minutes ago, DCGuy64 said:

Thank you for posting this. A refreshing change from the dominant group-think rampant in our society today.

Glad to be of service!  You want to get people triggered, go to the last portion of the video.  Naturally immune folks may not need a booster but vaccinated folks will.  I recently posted here somewhere a science piece that alluded to this as well - vaccines focus on the specific mechanism of infection but natural immunity is more broad.

 

Curiously, a number of the science pieces are hard to find.  Not by lack of looking though.  No doubt web optimization/minimizations algorithms at work.  Good news never sells.

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1 hour ago, Tippyton said:

Watch the video.  Plenty of links there.    Or don't and just steer clear of me - I'm ok with that.

 

Yeah sure, don't address any of my points/research and simply ask me to look at your sources (which I did). 🙄

 

Looks like you've decided to steer clear from me, and so I will return the favor. Nice chatting.

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2 hours ago, BOOKBOOKBOOK said:

 

Yeah sure, don't address any of my points/research and simply ask me to look at your sources (which I did). 🙄

 

Looks like you've decided to steer clear from me, and so I will return the favor. Nice chatting.

I did look at your links..  Link # 1 to the UC Irvine study supports many others similarly, and I have no doubt about its veracity.  However, they only look at part of the story- the onion needs to get peeled back so to speak.  As Dr. Campbell mentioned [he is great at taking complex, technical discussions and making them simple for the non-medical folks], if you carried antibodies all the time to the bacterium and viruses you've been exposed to, your blood would be a thick goo.

 

Mother Jones is a site I call fringe.  Same info is available elsewhere but without hyperbole.  Not sure what the purpose of the link is.  Anyway, to steer clear of me is easy.  Just look for the deadly covid swirling about. 

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2 hours ago, Tippyton said:

However, they only look at part of the story- the onion needs to get peeled back so to speak.  As Dr. Campbell mentioned [he is great at taking complex, technical discussions and making them simple for the non-medical folks], if you carried antibodies all the time to the bacterium and viruses you've been exposed to, your blood would be a thick goo.

 

Care to elaborate what you mean by "part of the story"? What are we missing here? It's not hard to understand the scientific literature suggesting that immune response from the vaccines is more robust than antibodies gained through previous infection. Long-lasting does not imply long-robustness. Long-lasting immunity is only part of the picture if it is not as good as the immunity gained from the vaccines.

 

Dr. Campbell barely peels the onion because all of the studies he cites don't include comparisons to fully vaccinated people and their immune responses. If it is true that fully vaccinated people are better equipped to fight variants and the main virus itself (and there's literature for this), then it would not make sense to treat these two groups equally from a policy perspective.

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1 hour ago, BOOKBOOKBOOK said:

 

Care to elaborate what you mean by "part of the story"? What are we missing here? It's not hard to understand the scientific literature suggesting that immune response from the vaccines is more robust than antibodies gained through previous infection. Long-lasting does not imply long-robustness. Long-lasting immunity is only part of the picture if it is not as good as the immunity gained from the vaccines.

 

Dr. Campbell barely peels the onion because all of the studies he cites don't include comparisons to fully vaccinated people and their immune responses. If it is true that fully vaccinated people are better equipped to fight variants and the main virus itself (and there's literature for this), then it would not make sense to treat these two groups equally from a policy perspective.

Not sure what you are trying to debate here other than reading from the "GEt vACiNNatED!! teleprompter.  I'm immune for a long time, perhaps the rest of my life, without a vaccination and without a booster needed.  Magic!  

 

This quote though is more telling and sinister...  "then it would not make sense to treat these two groups equally from a policy perspective."  But....check this out....WE ALREADY KNEW THAT! 😈😘

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1 hour ago, Tippyton said:

Not sure what you are trying to debate here other than reading from the "GEt vACiNNatED!! teleprompter.  I'm immune for a long time, perhaps the rest of my life, without a vaccination and without a booster needed.  Magic!  

 

This quote though is more telling and sinister...  "then it would not make sense to treat these two groups equally from a policy perspective."  But....check this out....WE ALREADY KNEW THAT! 😈😘

 

Not sure what you're trying to debate here other than reading from the "CoViD vaCCinEs aRe uNsAfe!!" echo chambers.

 

You might as well be making magical arguments because you refuse to address any of the points that weigh heavily against your viewpoint.

 

Equal protection under the law does not imply equal treatment. I don't know what level of education you have completed, but this is high school civics. Trying children as adults in a court of law in all circumstances under the guise of "trEaT eVerYonE EquaLLy" serves to benefit no one and is perhaps more "telling and sinister".

 

Everything I've said is what reasonable people already knew! 😈😘

 

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