RC just announced vaxxed passengers on AoS must get rapid test at checkin

[boatseller]

7 minutes ago, MrMarc said:

Believe me, it is not drama, it is the law, and Judges take it very seriously.  Neither side, nor you know that there is an impasse.  The Mediator has information from both sides that no one else knows.  Sometimes you have to let things settle down and approach it differently at a different time, it is part of the skill of a Mediator.  Also, the laws and rules surrounding the Mediation process are usually very strictly enforced to maintain the success of the process.  The mediation is not over until the Mediator says it is.

Srsl?  When nothing happens, they're not square dancing. Seems nothing was actually leaked.  Nothing is an impass.

[boatseller]

4 minutes ago, MrMarc said:

 I am also disheartened that people cannot understand that if their choice has possible affects on people around them, then it is not just a personal choice.

This pipe dream is why Venezuelans are starving.  The sooner you realize that, the sooner you won't be disheartened.

[boatseller]

9 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Actually it wasn’t until someone from the Governor’s office foolishly put out a statement that there was in fact an impasse, an obvious falsehood. It may seem like drama to you, but federal judges (actually any judge) do not look kindly on violations of court rules. That he chose to take anyone to task on it publicly makes that very clear. 

Like I said, drama much.  Nothing happening is an impasse.  No one complains when the media speculates about hung juries.  1 out if 5 Federal Bureaucrats can probably recognize that.

[harkinmr]

Just now, boatseller said:

Like I said, drama much.  Nothing happening is an impasse.  No one complains when the media speculates about hung juries.  1 out if 5 Federal Bureaucrats can probably recognize that.

Absolutely wrong. They had been meeting with the mediator just prior to the press release coming out from the Governor’s office. Speculation is one thing. An outright claim of mediation failure is another. You can spin it however you like until the cows come home, but it doesn’t change it. 

[MrMarc]

2 minutes ago, boatseller said:

This pipe dream is why Venezuelans are starving.  The sooner you realize that, the sooner you won't be disheartened.

Now that is drama.  Maybe you haven't noticed, or just don't believe, there is a world wide Pandemic going on.  Therefore, we, living in a free country, have to recognize that there need to be temporary changes in order to protect the people in this free country.  It is not any type of grand conspiracy to turn this country socialist.  Yes, there are people that want to do that, and they tend to see the reality of the Pandemic, but actually one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  In reality, this pandemic has been politicized, mainly by conservatives, which is the root of the problems we are having now.  I understand not liking big government, but don't take that to mean everything the Government says to do is bad.  Which is exactly what has happened.  I think if the CDC came out with a study that said breathing was good for you, there would be an incredible number of people that would try to hold their breath.

[Babr]

48 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

The "stop all testing" approach worked just fine for Obama during Swine Flu

I thought it was someone else who said we have so many cases because we test so much.

[MrMarc]

5 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Absolutely wrong. They had been meeting with the mediator just prior to the press release coming out from the Governor’s office. Speculation is one thing. An outright claim of mediation failure is another. You can spin it however you like until the cows come home, but it doesn’t change it. 

That doesn't change the rules of Mediation.  They are VERY clear.  Neither party can say anything about the mediation, only the Mediator.  All Judges enforce this very strictly (Federal, State or County).  There is no spin, it doesn't matter what was said.  The mere fact that anything was said is actually grounds for sanctions, as the Judge made clear.  On this, opinions do not matter.  This is very real and clear cut.

[jerseygirl3]

On 6/10/2021 at 2:28 PM, not-enough-cruising said:

But they aren't requiring vaccines, different scenario all together.

Royal isn’t requiring vaccines either. 

[not-enough-cruising]

3 minutes ago, jerseygirl3 said:

Royal isn’t requiring vaccines either. 

In Nassau and SXM they are, those  2 ports are the basis of this debate. 

[BecciBoo]

[harkinmr]

4 minutes ago, MrMarc said:

That doesn't change the rules of Mediation.  They are VERY clear.  Neither party can say anything about the mediation, only the Mediator.  All Judges enforce this very strictly (Federal, State or County).  There is no spin, it doesn't matter what was said.  The mere fact that anything was said is actually grounds for sanctions, as the Judge made clear.  On this, opinions do not matter.  This is very real and clear cut.

I was responding to boatseller and was referring to his spin on the Governor’s statement. I agree with you 100%. 

[At Sea At Peace]

The warning by the Judge was due to the Governors' office (not the Governor or counsel) release the 'fact' that "the mediator declared an impasse" (which is reported to the Court and/or the Parties).

 

Clearly they shouldn't have done that and it was also unnecessary; as it would have been widely known as the date passed.

 

They did not release any of the discussions by either side during mediation or comments, questions, etc. by the mediator.

 

The excited reaction and depiction to this is akin to the MSM reaction today to the 2 positive cases on Celebrity.  Over the top, expected and just what it is at the current time.

 

This will be challenged in reply with no evidence. 

 

It is clearly inconvenient.  The same legal 'experts' that said the case was a total WASH for Florida and wouldn't see the light of day - were wrong.

 

Oh well, pro bono; you get exactly what you pay for.

Edited June 11, 2021 by At Sea At Peace

[harkinmr]

9 minutes ago, At Sea At Peace said:

The warning by the Judge was due to the Governors' office (not the Governor or counsel) release the 'fact' that "the mediator declared an impasse" (which is reported to the Court and/or the Parties).

 

Clearly they shouldn't have done that and it was also unnecessary; as it would have been widely known as the date passed.

 

They did not release any of the discussions by either side during mediation or comments, questions, etc. by the mediator.

 

The excited reaction and depiction to this is akin to the MSM reaction today to the 2 positive cases on Celebrity.  Over the top, expected and just what it is at the current time.

It wasn’t a ‘fact’ that the mediation was at an impasse.  THAT is what caused the upset in court. And the “excited reaction and depiction” runs both ways. Clearly this is inconvenient for some. 

[MrMarc]

18 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

I was responding to boatseller and was referring to his spin on the Governor’s statement. I agree with you 100%. 

Sorry, I got confused.  I do that alot.

[garywatson]

6 hours ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Here's how mine went via CVS pharmacy....

The nurse physically hand wrote my pertinent info including name, SS#, date, and the vial# on a form for her/their records.  She then wrote down my name, date, the vial# on a vaccine record card and issued it to me. So sometime later this info was then transcribed and manually data entered into a data base. My point is that this process lends itself to human error.  Especially if one multiplies this by millions upon millions. TBH, having experienced this first hand and how my M-I-L' s was processed, I personally would have issues accusing anyone of using a falsified vaccine card. But hey... that's me.  

 

In my case, the vaccine was administered as part of the Moderna clinical trial and if you look up the lot number on the Moderna website it says the number is invalid.  I'm hoping this isn't how they plan to "validate" the CDC card.

[sept10dsm]

1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

The "stop all testing" approach worked just fine for Obama during Swine Flu

It did and most don't even recall the flu when he was president. 

[harkinmr]

23 minutes ago, At Sea At Peace said:

 

 

This will be challenged in reply with no evidence. 

 

It is clearly inconvenient.  The same legal 'experts' that said the case was a total WASH for Florida and wouldn't see the light of day - were wrong.

 

Oh well, pro bono; you get exactly what you pay for.

Challenged in reply?  What will be challenged?  The court’s admonition? There is no appeal on that. 
 

And your repartee on “pro bono” legal commentary is anything but clever. There has been speculation about the case and I don’t believe anyone ever said the case would not “see the light of day”. There has been no judgment in the case as yet, so no one is “wrong”. 

Edited June 11, 2021 by harkinmr

[sept10dsm]

2 minutes ago, garywatson said:

 

In my case, the vaccine was administered as part of the Moderna clinical trial and if you look up the lot number on the Moderna website it says the number is invalid.  I'm hoping this isn't how they plan to "validate" the CDC card.

I don't know if true but I have read that some of the first in the trials have received a 3rd shot.  Any truth to it.  I guess that year is coming up for some

[MrMarc]

1 hour ago, boatseller said:

Srsl?  When nothing happens, they're not square dancing. Seems nothing was actually leaked.  Nothing is an impass.

I was a Mediator for many years.  In a case this important, people have n idea what is going on behind the scenes.  Even if the Mediator declared an impasse, he could still be working behind the scenes.  That is why any party that does a press release about a Mediation may find themselves making the Judge very unhappy.  Mediation has helped clear their dockets, so they protect it very strictly.  

[At Sea At Peace]

34 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Challenged in reply?  What will be challenged?  The court’s admonition? There is no appeal on that. 

 

Well, when only a part of the post is quoted, it could be that the reference would be missed.

 

Please note the RED as a legend.  It's pretty clear.

 

 

34 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

And your repartee on “pro bono” legal commentary is anything but clever.

 

Not only true but apparently effective.

 

34 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

There has been speculation about the case and I don’t believe anyone ever said the case would not “see the light of day”.

 

As "DJ" would elaborate, 'figuratively.  The collective opines were the equivalent of such (sorry to be Clarence Darrow for a glance).

 

34 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

There has been no judgment in the case as yet, so no one is “wrong”. 

 

The opines were that Florida (Plaintiff) wouldn't even get "to this stage;" figuratively; meaning Florida 'had no case at all.  Yet, they are still standing as the Defendants "dig in their heels," with no allowance for negotiations.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 11, 2021 by At Sea At Peace

[koolZip]

On 6/10/2021 at 1:19 PM, danv3 said:

Total waste of time and resources to test vaccinated passengers and completely inappropriate to add a new requirement 48 hours before sailing. 

Wah, wah wah!

When you run a cruise line you can make up your own rules.

In the meantime, if you don't like it, stay home.

Hope this helps...

[danv3]

10 minutes ago, koolZip said:

Wah, wah wah!

When you run a cruise line you can make up your own rules.

In the meantime, if you don't like it, stay home.

Hope this helps...

Overreact much?  Goodness.  

[koolZip]

On 6/10/2021 at 4:19 PM, OdieCarol said:

This does suck, just another way RCI continues to heap crap on the very folks that are making their “return” even a reality🙈. Seriously, what’s wrong with these folks?  The constant three steps forward and four steps back shows a terribly unstable and extremely unprofessional management which is unsettling for people that have $$$$ on the line for paid in full cruise purchases.  There’s no denying they are facing challenges however we haven’t exactly had an easy ride either and frankly I think we should be able to expect more from a company like RCI.  This yo-yo routine is getting really old so make a decision RCI and stick with it and stop jerking people around!
 

It just ain’t nice!👿

Easy to say when you don't have to make the decisions for a multi-million dollar company.

[koolZip]

17 hours ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

So it appears that RCG doesn't believe the vaccine is working enough. So let's review...

 

Today word from RCL comes out suddenly that all vaccinated passengers to be tested for a future cruise on the Adventure.

Today, word is released that two passengers test positive on a vaccinated cruise from Celebrity.

 

Naw... now way these two things are related.

 

Sure sounds like RCG is starting to question vsaccines.  

 

 

 

Sure sounds like you're wrong.

[bimmerboy]

Back on topic...we are on the 6/26 AoS sailing and received an e-mail update from Royal today. Vaccinated guests on our cruise now have to have a negative pcr test within 5 days of arriving in the Bahamas, but no test at the pier. For our 7 y/o son, he will also have to have a negative pcr test 5 days out and an antigen test at the pier. I do not see where (for vaccinated guests) Bahamas have changed their requirements,  so the new pcr test for vaccinated guests appears to be solely a Royal requirement.