YYC F/A Posted January 3, 2022 #126 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I believe Devils Island, Venezuela also counts as a far foreign port, however other than the ABC islands I believe this is the only Caribbean island stop that qualifies for the PVSA exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Clay Clayton Posted January 3, 2022 #127 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, OnTheJourney said: Andy...thanks for further clarification. Most interesting, though, is why are these countries excluded? Any particular reason? As to the itinerary, I'm seeing that the cruise ends in Tilbury - not Bergen. Passengers could book the cruise ti Tillbury or to Bergen…at the same cost as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted January 3, 2022 #128 Share Posted January 3, 2022 58 minutes ago, YYC F/A said: I believe Devils Island, Venezuela also counts as a far foreign port, however other than the ABC islands I believe this is the only Caribbean island stop that qualifies for the PVSA exception. Devil's Island is part of French Guiana, not Venezuela, but regardless South America qualifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidi13 Posted January 3, 2022 #129 Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 hours ago, OnTheJourney said: Andy...thanks for further clarification. Most interesting, though, is why are these countries excluded? Any particular reason? As to the itinerary, I'm seeing that the cruise ends in Tilbury - not Bergen. The ABC Islands are just off the S/America Coast, with Aruba being less than 20 miles, if memory is correct. The WC technically ends in Tilbury, but since the next cruise starts in Bergen, they received a comp offer to extend to Bergen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deec Posted January 3, 2022 #130 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Jim Avery on this day 4 years ago we were headed to LA a few days early to join the SUN on an adventure of a lifetime...curious when you did your next one, although that had any segments so maybe not comparing apples to apples, were you disappointed. Was the awe gone. We had such a wonderful time and I love seeing my Facebook Memory posts flash up every now and again. those of you on board now ENJOY!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWantToLiveOverTheSea Posted January 4, 2022 #131 Share Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/2/2022 at 5:03 PM, spryder said: Yep! Get outside on the walkway in front of the Explorers Lounge and claim a standing spot early before it gets packed. We watched the entire transit from up there and felt like we missed almost nothing. Only downside is that there is something of an audio lecture given by the ship's historian throughout the transit but for some reason they don't bother piping it to the outdoor areas, so we missed out on that. What about deck 2, aft - you don't get to see everything as you come in. But I love to stand or sit back there and take pictures! It's my secret spot that's not really so secret! (I'm mostly a lurker.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWantToLiveOverTheSea Posted January 4, 2022 #132 Share Posted January 4, 2022 20 hours ago, UWDawg said: I see that the review of the Puntarenas Panorama wasn’t favorable [per Garry’s blog], so I was wondering if others might chime in as to their reviews of the other Puntarenas (Puerto Caldera), Costa Rica excursions which were offered: Jungle Boat & Crocodile Safari A Walk in The Clouds Andalusian Horse Show The Story of Starbucks Coffee from Field to Cup Eco-Bike Adventure Was the panorama excursion the included excursion, I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Avery Posted January 4, 2022 #133 Share Posted January 4, 2022 58 minutes ago, deec said: Jim Avery on this day 4 years ago we were headed to LA a few days early to join the SUN on an adventure of a lifetime...curious when you did your next one, although that had any segments so maybe not comparing apples to apples, were you disappointed. Was the awe gone. We had such a wonderful time and I love seeing my Facebook Memory posts flash up every now and again. those of you on board now ENJOY!!! Dee, how can it possibly be 4 years ago?? Wow! As to the second WC, yes the segments made it different. But then we met folks on segments that we hated to see leave. The "special" was somewhat diminished. No Mr. Hagen, No Karine, no Finse. Still better than work.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UWDawg Posted January 4, 2022 #134 Share Posted January 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, IWantToLiveOverTheSea said: Was the panorama excursion the included excursion, I assume? Yes, the Puntarenas Panorama excursion was the included excursion at Puntarenas (Puerto Caldera), Costa Rica. While https://kolbsontheroad.blogspot.com/ didn't have a favorable review of the Panorama excursion... apparently due to the transport to and from... https://roseandtedsexcellentadventure.com/ and others on FaceBook seemed to have enjoyed this included excursion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgtraveler2 Posted January 4, 2022 #135 Share Posted January 4, 2022 We were on the 2017-18 WC and we took the included tour at Puntarenas. Not our favorite but the guide was great. My thought would be that you are going to visit soooo many awesome places and you may want to weigh which ports you really want to spend your $$ on. If you don't really have a strong desire for any of the excursions or this port was not at/near the top of your list, then take the included one. That's just my opinion, of course! Have a great time!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKTV32162 Posted January 4, 2022 #136 Share Posted January 4, 2022 World cruise day 11/152 - sea day https://kolbsontheroad.blogspot.com/2022/01/world-cruise-day-11152-sea-day-arlona.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamercruise Posted January 4, 2022 #137 Share Posted January 4, 2022 37 minutes ago, GKTV32162 said: World cruise day 11/152 - sea day https://kolbsontheroad.blogspot.com/2022/01/world-cruise-day-11152-sea-day-arlona.html Two people tested positive on Day 9-10? I thought the Covid cases should have been screened out in the first 3 days? Where and how did the persons get the Covid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheJourney Posted January 4, 2022 #138 Share Posted January 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Jim Avery said: Dee, how can it possibly be 4 years ago?? I guess time goes fast when you're (not) having fun or (not) cruising. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheJourney Posted January 4, 2022 #139 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) On 1/3/2022 at 11:15 AM, Heidi13 said: For a Foreign-Flagged ship to perform this function, the US Cabotage Laws (PVSA) state the ship MUST visit a "Distant Foreign Port". Andy, Does this mean that if a Royal Caribbean or Celebrity cruise were to leave out of Bayonne or Baltimore, explore the New England States and then come back to Boston..or even make its way down the coast and end in someplace like FL or New Orleans - would that be in violation? I seem to recall seeing these sorts of itineraries all the time that don't necessarily include an ABC island, let alone Cartagena! Guess I'm still a bit confused on all the intricacies of this. Edited January 4, 2022 by OnTheJourney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidi13 Posted January 4, 2022 #140 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, OnTheJourney said: Andy, Does this mean that if a Royal Caribbean or Celebrity cruise were to leave out of Bayonne or Baltimore, explore the New England States and then come back to Boston..or even make its way down the coast and end in someplace like FL or New Orleans - would that be in violation? I seem to recall seeing these sorts of itineraries all the time that don't necessarily include an ABC island, let alone Cartagena! Guess I'm still a bit confused on all the intricacies of this. Affirmative, if pax board and disembark in different US ports, then the vessel must have visited a Distant Foreign Port to prevent US PVSA violations. On Northern cruises, they can hop over to Greenland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheJourney Posted January 4, 2022 #141 Share Posted January 4, 2022 48 minutes ago, Heidi13 said: Affirmative, if pax board and disembark in different US ports, then the vessel must have visited a Distant Foreign Port to prevent US PVSA violations. On Northern cruises, they can hop over to Greenland. Interesting. I'll have to start taking notice of itineraries more closely that aren't closed loop to see what else they add to satisfy the law. Most of what we've done returns to the embarkation port so then of course no issue with PVSA. Thanks Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheJourney Posted January 4, 2022 #142 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Heidi13 said: if pax board and disembark in different US ports, then the vessel must have visited a Distant Foreign Port to prevent US PVSA violations. What about Viking's Mississippi cruises? New Orleans to St. Paul.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Avery Posted January 4, 2022 #143 Share Posted January 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, OnTheJourney said: What about Viking's Mississippi cruises? New Orleans to St. Paul.... US built vessels, US flagged, US crewed. You are comparing apples to broccoli... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheJourney Posted January 4, 2022 #144 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) OK....so does the same apply to Celebrity's one-way cruise that goes from San Diego to Vancouver? No violation on that one? Just wondering being that it was said in this thread that visiting Canada doesn't count - so where is the "foreign port"? Edited January 4, 2022 by OnTheJourney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Avery Posted January 4, 2022 #145 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Just now, OnTheJourney said: OK....so does the same apply to Celebrity's one-way cruise that goes from San Diego to Vancouver? Rather than litigate here on Cruise Critic, I would suggest you read the appropriate US Code of Federal Regulations. All available online and will tell you every possible thing you could want to know about regulatory minutiae. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudgbug Posted January 4, 2022 #146 Share Posted January 4, 2022 22 hours ago, IWantToLiveOverTheSea said: Was the panorama excursion the included excursion, I assume? It was "included". I wouldn't recommend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheJourney Posted January 4, 2022 #147 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jim Avery said: Rather than litigate here on Cruise Critic, Not trying to litigate anything, but some of this doesn't seem entirely copacetic. Celebrity also has a cruise that starts in Oahu and ends in Vancouver. How is that not in violation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantaFe1 Posted January 4, 2022 #148 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, OnTheJourney said: OK....so does the same apply to Celebrity's one-way cruise that goes from San Diego to Vancouver? No violation on that one? Just wondering being that it was said in this thread that visiting Canada doesn't count - so where is the "foreign port"? This wouldn’t be an American loop, beginning and ending in an American port. Different rules. I’m a lawyer, not a captain, but I think that’s right. Maritime law wasn’t my specialty, lol. Edited January 4, 2022 by SantaFe1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted January 4, 2022 #149 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, OnTheJourney said: Not trying to litigate anything, but some of this doesn't seem entirely copacetic. Celebrity also has a cruise that starts in Oahu and ends in Vancouver. How is that not in violation? Not in violation because it ends in a foreign country. As @SantaFe1said, the PVSA restrictions apply only to cruises that both start and end in a US port, or more accurately to passengers who both embark and disembark in a US port. Here's the official document from US CBP that explains the PVSA: https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2019-Sep/PVSA-ICP.pdf Edited January 4, 2022 by njhorseman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheJourney Posted January 5, 2022 #150 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Yep....my bad. Not sure why I was thinking it was all US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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